Hot Takes | VLR.gg

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Drop ur hot takes mine is Keznit<Jawgemo

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G2 is good enough to win Champions, provided icy is playing well

(this was before this game now I'm having second thoughts)

edit: nope we good

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if they stop starting slow (destroyed map 1 reverse sweep to win) all the time and actually play their own way then they’re real contenders including when he does not int

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Exactly. Though I think they literally just play textbook valorant instead of any "style"

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Keznit is the only stats player in americas

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RieNs is the best player on Team Heretics because he's by far the most consistent

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i agree and to add on Id say heretics would be a better team with Wo0t on duelist and -miniboo +patitek

edit: ik wo0t doesnt like to play duelist and likes second entry

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miniboo madrid form > patitek shanghai form

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fine but as a team I like Shangai heretics over Madrid heretics

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Madrid couldve been so different. TH were unlucky playing against Sentinels first and PRX second. Last Map against Sentinels on Bind was really close aswell and they had no international experience. In Shanghai they had an "easier" Swiss Stage and it was still pretty close against a strong FPX but they got better throughout the tournament. In Madrid Wo0t wasnt there and hes an absolute monster. They made some changes with Wo0t playing Jett and Iso with MiniBoo on the team. Imo he should play Raze aswell bc he looks insane with Raze and let MiniBoo play Yoru/Neon. They could play some double duelist comps like GENG on Breeze with that Yoru/Jett if that works and have a better map pool aswell.

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massively underrated, i agree

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FNS is overrated as fuck

Potter is not as good as you guys make her out to be

Mce doesn't get enough love

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Can you explain the potter one? Just curious.

Because every single player on EG that left has become worse this year

the one player who didn't leave EG is still playing very well

EG as a whole is on an upward trajectory, while the players who left EG are on a downward trajectory

Lastly, EG had a roster of people expected to play in T2 + jawg, and yet has won matches against decent teams

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no i agree that potter is definitely good, she's a great antistratter and somehow manages to make teams coherent

i just don't like the narrative that she's the second coming of Christ and does no wrong, i can't think of specific instances instantly but still

it's almost as if potter is given so much credit that the players themselves (except jawg) are massively overlooked, idk that's what i think atleast

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I think the "does no wrong" part is actually true. I can't think of a "mistake" potter has made that seriously affected them.

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if she did no wrong, EG should've been at a better position than what they're at no? Whenever EG messes up anywhere it's the players' faults and the org being absolute garbage, and potter being dealt a bad hand with the player budget etc etc

but when EG wins potter is glazed to oblivion

but it just may be people being fans, i can't really shit on them for that

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I think it's more that sometimes its obvious that they win because of antistrats, which potter is obviously in charge of. But its less obvious in the mid round when something bad happens, but it could be because potter told them too earlier. It's hard to tell what is potter's fault and what is the player's fault, and most people give potter the benefit of the doubt because of the reasons I listed above.

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yep, you're right

a coach's contribution is hard to tell sometimes, atleast with potter it's clear that she's the brains of the team

but it might be me glazing sen, i feel coaches like kaplan,mce, alecks, and ENGHHH, Onur, bzka are better than potter, although many are unproven

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doomvor

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Maybe. I think it's always "hard to know" with coaches, as you don't know whether a player made the mistake or a coach told them to.

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yeah, that's probably why player quality makes such a big difference in these tournaments too

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Yeah, I think the comparisons of coaches is a weird one and us viewers on the sidelines will never actually know. While coaches have lots of impact, there are lots of on the fly decision making that has to be made by the players themselves and it gets hard to discern what is credited to the coach vs player. On top of that Coaches are still part of team synergy so one coach might work better for one player than another, even if they are 'worse' on paper

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most sane conversation on VLR dayum

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2nd take is valid, potter is the most overrated coach in the world hands down

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rare dort W?

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if you agree with dort you know your take is garbage

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damn bro i know he's bad but maybe he's on his redemption arc

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thought i missread the title when all i saw were shit takes

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its a hot take u retard not every1 has to agree with it including u. If u dont agree with something ur first thought shouldnt be its shit, this is why no one fw u

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johnqt<boostio

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boostio's has been more consistant

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is this really much of a hot take? I feel as if the general consensus is Boostio>JohnQT

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Hot

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leo is better than aspas because of consistency

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LEV without aspas would be the worst team in the league, FNC are doing fine without leo

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its not about the team, but the player, and like i said, aspas have less consistency than leo

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yo too hot here tone it down chief

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Aspas is a stats player

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braindead take, he isnt a baiter or a trade player, his kills actually have a impact on every game

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look at his fk

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Kru should get sinatraa instead of mta

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my humble king

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PRX lack of a real leader/IGL is always going to cost them the most important games. Both Jingg and Something r insanely talented players, but without a proper leash they also become their teams greatest weakness. If you were to make a change to this roster I would swap one of them simply because no IGL is gonna be able to handle both of these monsters. (David and Mindfreak have rly good control, and forsaken while also kinda guilty of overheating sometimes is a insane flex that is kinda a one of kind player).

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doomvor

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Is this really all that hot? I think a lack of a dedicated IGL has been consistently pointed to as a major weakness of PRX.

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i think the choice to replace one of jingg/something for a IGL is the hot one. Most people would replace mindfreak.

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doomvor

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Fair.

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who would u sub for an igl

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jingg/something

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doomvor

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Both Jingg and Something r insanely talented players, but without a proper leash they also become their teams greatest weakness. If you were to make a change to this roster I would swap one of them simply because no IGL is gonna be able to handle both of these monsters.

read the entire thing

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bro rly thought i was gonna read allat lmfaoo

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then dont ask for hot takes you fucking retard

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trent is overrated

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opposite lwky

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JonahP is underrated asf

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did u see his 4k clutch just now

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Valorant is so populated with talent that player quality differences are massively over-perceived.

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Victor and Crashies are an overrated duo

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Boostio is the best player on 100T
Something isnt a top 5 duelist itw (maybe not even top 10)
Zekken isnt a top 3 duelist itw-maybe not even americas
Dreyeon is worse than Yay on Bleed
If DRX kept their roster from last year they would have won Madrid/Shanghai
If EG kept their roster they would have gone undefetead
If Optic kept their roster for 23 they probably would have won Lock//In but wouldnt have won Tokyo/Champs

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bro burnt the drx take but other than that u cooked

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DRX almost beat FNC at champs, and were looking super good towards the end of the year. This new meta would also be super good for them, they were amazing on Breeze and Icebox and 2 of their worst maps (fracture and pearl) were gone.

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we didn’t almost beat fnc, you get destroyed on both maps we lost

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also, it was very clear that the team was regressing, we were basically gifted a 5th-6th place by drawing against BiliBili in lowe’s but we’re weren’t really a top 6 team at champs

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lukewarm but prx isn't going to win any international lans

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this was their best chance/ year

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i really thought shanghai was the time considering teams. but after that 100t icebox match, i just can't believe in them as of now

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Keznit is a great player. It's just too bad KRU is not consistent as a team

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hes a stats player and if he was a great player he would've won over g2

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nah, that's definitely not true. watch any top team out there, they don't have 1 guy running down 1v5 to win the match so it's unfair to say that.. at the end of the day it needs to be everyone working together for the dub. G2 just got the best of them.

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i agree but many of his kills/ assist are exits

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less is a close second to best player itw after aspas
geng is the best roster in valo after eg 2023
one tournament players shouldn't be in a goat debate
loud shouldve done much more with this stacked roster

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Korea and Japan have good players but no good coaches

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2022 loud and optic would be middle of the pack today

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jawgemo>keznit isn't even a hot take

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TH with pati > TH with wo0t

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with miniboo you mean? because no way madrid roster was better than this roster or the shanghai one
if anything woot is an upgrade