Deeply disappointed in PRX

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I'm sure every PRX fan and neutral fan was angry and pissed off by how goddamn shit they played today vs 100T. I can forgive the breeze loss because they don't play that map but icebox was so fucking stupid. a 1v4 toss vs asuna, a crucial 1v2 loss after davai got the pick but KEPT FUCKING PEEKING. Another 1v2 loss with something and davai ulting out of nowhere, and ofcourse that fucking stupid throw during OT with something literally WINNING THE ROUND but decided to just go forward and peek?? YOU HAVE DAVAI AND THE SPIKE IS PLANTED ON TOP just fucking spam that shit for fuck sake man. I'm so tired of being a fan of a team that loses NOT BECAUSE the other team is clearly better than them but because they ARE LOSING WINNABLE ROUNDS bro. I just can't with this team. You fucking guys already lost 2 finals and didn't learn your lesson yeah? keep peeking? are you not just fucking playing time for the bomb to blow up?

I still love this team to death but the could've achieved so much more. I was sad during the champs loss but I don't fucking care if you're sad during the shanghai loss. it was YOUR FAULT you guys tossed the damn game. I genuinely do want this team to succeed but how the fuck are you gonna win anything if you guys don't fucking stop peeking.

And also the stupid twitter snowflakes that are telling us fans to stop bashing the players: I know some people are straight up toxic and mean but we as fans DESERVE TO CRITICIZE this team's performance because I know every fan who watched that match is pissed and know that they threw so many stupid fucking rounds. If we don't fucking criticize the team then how the fuck are they gonna win anything

Prx i still support you but fucking hell don't do that ever again. (If you do it again, I actually hope you never win any trophies, because you need to learn your fucking lesson)

sorry for being angry but I'm sure Alecks will be much angrier and dissapointed in you overpeeking fucks, because what the fuck was that performance

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who wouldnt be disappointed at this point. I still support them tho, but ill never expect them to lift a trophy anymore tbh

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same, I won't even be excited if they get to a grand final because there is a 99% chance they fuck it up again unless this org REALLY does some coaching staff reinforcements (please for god sake, help alecks with atleast an analyst or a mental coach).

PRX Need a mental coach and they themselves look like they don't go out alot and don't work out (I know alecks and mindfreak does)

this is what Astralis did in CS, they got a mental coach and won 4 fucking majors

It's sad supporting a team with alot of SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA AND IFS

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PRX have a sports psychologist, I think

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wait really? I have never heard of that at all

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Don't remember where I heard it. I think it was either an alecks interview or a That Nerd Kaizen video

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a staff in their discord confirmed it.

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warbirds + severine would be a good addition i think, severine could help out with the players mental and discipline also making strats. I think forsaken and mindfreak would listen to him bc they know him well and severine is older than them all

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unfortunately severine just got announced to bigetron

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yea, but i dont think he's gonna stay for long tho, maybe a year or two, its time for him to move to coach position, he said it himself after he left BOOM

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allat + agreed

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fr threw many rounds on icebox :/

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icebox was one of the strangest maps ive watched, prx looked so mentally boomed throughout the whole series but icebox is where the mistakes really revealed themselves. its evident that they can play better but it all just fell apart

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Fr man! Seeing 0.28 seconds on the clock would have tilted them so much, the next round never mattered

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I have no idea why something just straight up goes W keying. He had bloody jett knives and you couldn't just jiggle? or you had a fkin vandal but didnt spam the goddamn plant spot? like wtf is he doing

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the more you think about that round the more ways you realize they could have won. From when bang tapped the bomb, something could have jiggled and known bang was off. Or not peak at all and wait for davai to run up and then peak together from both sides - there was enough time for that

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agreed. even then d4vai needs to just play time especially since it wasnt even halfed. sucks that round was probably what ruined their mental enough for them to lose the match. Otherwise its deffo a winnable match.

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alecks said in the post-match interview that they needed to check that whether bang got half on the defuse or no. he wasn't particularly mad about the peek and said in hindsight that if they were just a half second off they would've won the round. it does look like a very bad over aggresion from our povs tho

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both needs to check? its not a 1v1 bruh. its obvious something just wanted to boost hes KD

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Sadly PRX won't win a trophy until the end of Valorant. I feel bad for f0rsaken. He should leave PRX and join another team with proper coaching staff, analysts, and a real IGL.
NGL i think alecks is one of the main problem. They are only winning games because of their insane aim but alecks don't really provide anything when they are getting anti'd like that game vs G2.
From what I've heard f0rsaken cook up most of their strats, IGL some maps/rounds, and play almost all agents. They could easily get an assistant coach and analysts but they won't.
His talent is wasted on this team.

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in my opinion everything is fine as it is BUT they do need 1 extra person to help with alecks as an assistant coach OR a mental coach to really help PRX stop fucking throwing and crumbling their mental away

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I'm not sure but it looks like alecks is actually their mental coach(from the timeout clips that i've seen) and f0rsaken is the real coach who cook up their strats(based on interviews). But yeah, I agree that they should get another coach and aside from that get some analysts. They should let f0rsaken focus on just playing.
If possible, kick mindfreak(he is good but too inconsistent) and get a real IGL who can play smoke/senti. This hivemind thing doesn't really work.

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agreed. their team is fine as is. They have only lost one match in stage 1. I just think they need some kind of Postplant advice. if they really are bad at holding in the postplant atleast play agress together. The only players that dont overheat are MF and David even then David makes some of the worst decisions sometimes although he is a clutch god.

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f0rsaken team no help
i only help team

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f0rsaken team no help
i only help team

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Their calling in these stressful situations is horrendous bro, i do think they need a proper igl to calm things down when needed, cause i feel like they dont have that right now.

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Never believe in prx. Just believe in Geng. They re more structure n dicipline. Prx can only fight bad team.

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Strange thing is prx know how to shut Gen g down on regional finals.

The choking, overpeeking, silly mistakes comes around on international events. When it actually matters. That's sad.

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Well, PRX would have lost the finals if they didn’t have the double map ban. Their map pool just counters Gen.G’s

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this is simply untrue and it is the main reason why all prx fans have heart problems cause when any of one of these 4 players can be the best on the there roles or in the server at any given moment and any given round and when the RNG goes our way we see what PRX can look like when two or more players are actually online and they genuinely look like the best team in the entire world and next round they play likes its a ranked game (could argue 5 but i haven't seen MF pop off in a while)

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Indonesian hater ? hah buddy cheer for RRQ instead, that team is actually looking like pacific's new best team

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just like NRG was looking like Americas best team

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they were in pre-tokyo 2023

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Ah yes, pre-tokyo 2023

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Pre-tokyo... so the couple weeks stretch of the regular season where they ended up behind LOUD regionally and at Lock-In.

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PRE TOKYO IS CRAZY, C9 were good pre tokyo too no?

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can you read?

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u basically just said "I won't support PRX every again if they play super aggressive"

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ah yes, "Pre-tokyo 2023"

also you can't read, and looks like you misunderstood my statement. Poor you.

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-mindfreak +Zest
f0rsaken full time controller
Force Jinggg to learn Kayo under threat of physical abuse

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nah the problem is jinggg's map pool, i understand he is a crazy raze but hes looking like a one trick and its sad

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tbh keep forsaken on whatever he wants to play and get a smoke senti igl davai can split the smokes role with the igl smoke senti player

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Ngl its crazy that they kicked monyet for jinggg for better synergy. Yet they have not shown it in shanghai.

#MVGA #MAKEVLRGREATAGAIN

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I think because of last years results they thought they would have the same level of success if they threw Jinggg in again. I'm just assuming they're trying to get their chemistry going again because they had the entirety of last year to do that. They'll probably look better during split 2 and champs but there's no guarantee because there's not really any depth or strategy to their playstyle

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Yeah I can see your point. At this point any roster changes would mess up their year.

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-midfreak +monyet

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Many fans and including the players resistant to change because PRX "Play for fun"
Sure, that would make PRX qualify to every single international tournament and win at least 1 match, but far from become a winning team

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that was their best chance at winning a trophy and they just threw it

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I think their main problem is that their playstyle is super predictable at higher levels of competition. JonahP said that G2's main strategy in their matchup was just preparing for 3v3 fights in their spawn 10s in the round.

I still think that W gaming is a very powerful playstyle (I mean how else would they reach podium finishes in 4 major tournaments) but they need to optimize their slow rounds in order to actually win those majors. Warbirds as assistant coach might actually be a move; TS beat them multiple times in regionals and he could give pointers as to how to counter the enemy counters.

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I'm sure every PRX fan and neutral fan was angry and pissed off by how goddamn shit they played today vs 100T. I can forgive the breeze loss because they don't play that map but icebox was so fucking stupid. a 1v4 toss vs asuna, a crucial 1v2 loss after davai got the pick but KEPT FUCKING PEEKING. Another 1v2 loss with something and davai ulting out of nowhere, and ofcourse that fucking stupid throw during OT with something literally WINNING THE ROUND but decided to just go forward and peek?? YOU HAVE DAVAI AND THE SPIKE IS PLANTED ON TOP just fucking spam that shit for fuck sake man. I'm so tired of being a fan of a team that loses NOT BECAUSE the other team is clearly better than them but because they ARE LOSING WINNABLE ROUNDS bro. I just can't with this team. You fucking guys already lost 2 finals and didn't learn your lesson yeah? keep peeking? are you not just fucking playing time for the bomb to blow up?

I still love this team to death but the could've achieved so much more. I was sad during the champs loss but I don't fucking care if you're sad during the shanghai loss. it was YOUR FAULT you guys tossed the damn game. I genuinely do want this team to succeed but how the fuck are you gonna win anything if you guys don't fucking stop peeking.

And also the stupid twitter snowflakes that are telling us fans to stop bashing the players: I know some people are straight up toxic and mean but we as fans DESERVE TO CRITICIZE this team's performance because I know every fan who watched that match is pissed and know that they threw so many stupid fucking rounds. If we don't fucking criticize the team then how the fuck are they gonna win anything

Prx i still support you but fucking hell don't do that ever again. (If you do it again, I actually hope you never win any trophies, because you need to learn your fucking lesson)

sorry for being angry but I'm sure Alecks will be much angrier and dissapointed in you overpeeking fucks, because what the fuck was that performance

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Read allat and I agree
It was absolutely infuriating to watch them play against 100T, even on Sunset they were looking like they were gonna choke, and that's their MAP pick.

Icebox was horrendous, I can't stress how PRX would've won that map 15 minutes prior if they didn't throw like 5 man advantages, it was insane to watch...

And for the love of alecks' mental health, get him a fucking assistant coach. He can't do everything by himself

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they need to change their W gaming playstyle and play standard. they would be so much better (FNS words not mine).
W gaming is easily beatable by matching firepower, and if anyone has off days they insta lose. standard at least they win even with some underperformance due to strats.

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Facts. They didn't even play like this BEFORE Shanghai, like their 2023 champs run was so good until GF with the massive throw and choke, Madrid was pretty alright, stage 1 was really just stomping in Pacific, then they come to Shanghai to do this.

Zen mode for me now, as a fan since 2022 (I wasn't even mad with the Copenhagen Breeze comp, they were actually doing well but threw a few rounds do that was that), and I'll say I've seen enough. They are regressing back to champs 2022 form and hopefully they pick themselves up back for Champs

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As for their 2023 champs run, can it really be considered a 'choke' if the other team is genuinely better? Most people have that EG team as a top 2-3 team OAT.

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For me it was because PRX was outperforming EG in the upper finals. Prior to GF - heck even the GF Ascent game - PRX was playing quite coordinated and had strats that looked great. But come GF, they threw the Bind game with their old Yoru comp that was so obvious that they barely practiced with it, and they were also not winning duels they otherwise would have.

But that being said I agree with you that EG was the better team, Jawgemo was diffing Jinggg as Raze and EG was playing better as a team.

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Well to be fair, that upper finals went to map 3 double OT even with Boostio having the 2nd worst series of his entire franchised career (i didnt check before) (1st was 100T vs SEN opening match fresh off them winning Madrid).

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the thing is EG improved from that loss while PRX just became complacent bc they thought if they beat them the first time why not the second

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I wouldn't think it's exactly complacency (there might possibly be) but I think it might just be overthinking on their part, because they did put in the effort to change things up for Ascent and win there.

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i feel like they don’t even prep for some opponents like g2 and feel like they can get by just through pure aim diffing which isn’t what happened

they looked lost af against g2 on bind, feels like an ego issue

sometimes it feels like they don’t even anti strat like yeah aim diff looks good when it works but when it doesn’t u just look bad

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Yeah I was referring to Champs 23 GF, this Shanghai some of the rounds I watched they lacked that team synergy even back in Stage 1, looked lost and kept making hero plays. It felt like they got lazy to actually prep things...hopefully this is a wake up call for them going into Stage 2 and Champs 24

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read allat and agreed.
they need to get a leader figure. no, d4v41 can't be a leader figure. he's the same as f0rsaken, jinggg, and something, just different style of how he would throw the round. a much more stern, leader figure is needed.

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PRX = liverpool

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How? Liverpool are actually good. More like spurs keke

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go eat some fries and chocolate

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liverpool had so many chances to win pl but almost won. 2021 and 2018.

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allat + pretty sure they need warbirds.

free gift from team secrete

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I am disappointed of their performance. I keep asking myself is PRX prep to shanghai master or they come to show they just want to hyped in the torney only. They really predictable strat and what they will be doing on individual decision is another things. They don't show they good teamwork and coordination. I almost burn my jersey to show how disappointed I am. Sorry if the management and other fans feel its just they bad day. The performance they bring to master is just like rank player try to survive on every round. I think rank player is much better performance than them. Alecks he is angry more then us, but the management need to bring mental coach or any coach to help Alecks this time. Now for me champs is just a fairy tale. I still a fans but a fans that disappointed and hopeless to this team.

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the difference between a team like 2023 eg and prx is insane, eg used their lucky ticket off mibrs win to grind the fuck out and win champs while prx constantly gets a free pass to international events and does absolutely nothing and the team and playstyle just becomes more complacent and stale every year

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They straight up will not win a trophy if nothing changes, alecks needs a assistant coach + alot of issues need to be fixed

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They need a lot of stuff. An assistant coach. I think if there's a guy like Zeus, he would be perfect for this team. A loud, strong, guy that can help ease the nerve, have that leadership aura, and overall a nice guy that understands the mentality. Just have a better fragging potential than zeus did.

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zeus would go hard

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zeus would put this kids in their place and line them up, which is precisely what PRX needed

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Everything you said is exactly what i was thinking except i’m done supporting them. No point criticises them if they were never gonna learn from their mistake. But hey, at least their matches is fun to watch which is what they care more than winning a trophy😊 good luck to the rest of PRX loyal fans (if there’s any left) to support these 🤡

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I'll still support them but I won't be excited or hyped anymore man these guys just never learn from their past mistakes

Also can they PLEASE JUST PICK A NORMAL META COMP on ascent/lotus/and fucking sunset?? like look how many fcking holes they have on defense without playing any sentinel. Just keep forsaken on fucking cypher on lotus and someone else play killjoy etc. Jingg's agent pool is also a huge problem because he can only play raze reyna phoenix and sage, and in my opinion jingg NEEDS toplay different agents on non raze maps

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We will champions no worries w gaming

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The only thing they need is an analyst or assistant coach

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i think alecks can add dimension to there play style without changing the W gaming brand imagine the become and the aggro/anti/mixing in some rounds slowly
every single PRX is flexible enough to basically play any comp so they could lowkey become the best anti team itw

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btw try criticizing any PRX gameplay at their discord server and you'll get a 24hours time out or mute. their close community are a bunch of snowflakes that can't accept criticism and only want to hear praises.

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I KNOW RIGHTTT i literally cannot criticize anything in that goddamn server, I know they're tryna make it a sAfE spAcE but all they're doing is just muting any valid critcism.

When someone genuinely has good critcism they write off as "We don't do any vlr level takes here" or "oh no not the vlr.gg takes"

community of sheltered, soft, snowflakey pussies

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I actually hope this team gets demolished in Champs or even better if they don't qualify. With that, the higher ups might start using their brains and make big changes. This org is delusional to think that their fans will stay as long as they go with WGaming even without winning a trophy.
I'm still a fan of their players individually but I already gave up on this org.

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This team is ashamed to the fans. They have no self esteem at all. Better keep energy for other pacific team but not PRX. Retard team. hope they dont qualified for champs if this the quality that they bring to arena. Hope they disband even better. Fans that lost hope on this team after wat they show. They just a bunch of rank player.

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GenG has a higher chance of lifting a trophy in their first year together as a team than PRX has had since Copenhagen lol

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😔