High Elo Debate

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Penqu1N

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I've seen way to many people say that "High Elo" doesn't start until immortal 3. Obviously its subjective and what not, but keep in mind, Diamond is still top 10% of the game and Ascendant is like top 2.5% or something like that. If you want to go off of where pros are playing and what not, sure Immo 3 is high elo and the rest is below. But some 80 or 85% of the game has never hit platinum. High elo doesn't just mean the top 20% of the game split from the rest and then ranked. I would say Diamond is where it technically classifies as High Elo. Put Diamonds and Radiants against Irons and it won't really make a difference to the irons, despite the radiants would roll diamonds versus each other. Then, VALORANTs MMR system is so scuffed that there are people in Immortal who play against low to mid diamonds, and there are people in Ascendant that are queueing against High immortals and even Radiants.

Let me know what y'all think, I feel like this debate needs to be settled

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Penqu1N

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Just so I don't get the "your bronze comments" Im Currently Ascendant 3.

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number2_cNed_fan

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you are bronze*

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Penqu1N

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grammatically speaking it would be you're bronze* actually

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number2_cNed_fan

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wtf is the difference between "you are bronze" and "you're bronze"

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Penqu1N

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you're is the more formal version of you are and when you use grammarly or anything that corrects spelling, it will correct you are to you're

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ic

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gagers78

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you're is less formal, in every English exam i have ever taken i have been told to avoid contractions as they are informal

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The_Cleg

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Exactly this? Maybe it's an American/English type of thing?

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Penqu1N

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Actually that could be it, I forget Americans do it differently, my fault

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Penqu1N

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Why am I getting downvotes on an apology post? How bitter is vlr grammar check

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rtg9000

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don't think so

generally discouraged in academic writing, for example, indeed because contractions sound less formal

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Penqu1N

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Everyone in this chat debating isn't in the same country as me, like I said, using American Grammarly corrects You Are to You're. However, Cleg is right, technically You're is less formal. Where I learned English, I learned to use You're, but there really is no difference. Debating grammar on a valorant website is crazy

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The_Cleg

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What? You are is more formal especially in written texts? No?

Ive Always been taught so

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gagers78

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yeah that is correct, i've heard the same and a quick google search backs us up

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gagers78

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just google it, the internet says otherwise

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Asuna_Yuuki

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You are is much more forrmal

Comtractions are always less formal

“Cannot” is way more formal than “can’t”

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The_Cleg

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YOU ARE AMERICAN SO WHO IS RIGHT NOW

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Excuse me!?!?!?!?!

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The_Cleg

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The other american guy is saying the opposite of you, and that maybe you are is more formal in England while you're is more formal in the us, so I'm wondering which one of you is right

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Oh my fault I misinterpreted that

Trust me I am right

I am extremely smart

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K4ziuHa

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the other guy is just braindead af

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Flumplestiltski

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you're is less formal

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kanyefan4238173

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literally not. in both Europe and NA i was told to avoid contractions in formal writing. and even if you were right, which you aren't, 'you are' would be fine

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Shuaaaa

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You are = formal (I.e. the form of English you would use in business or academics)

You're = what you say to random motherfuckers at the BBQ when talking about how lifted your truck is

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gagers78

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there is none, you are right, he is wrong. If anything 'you are' is technically better

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Penqu1N

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like I said man, debating grammar on a website with a bunch of degenerates is crazy, but professionally, you're is correct

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gagers78

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professionally it's less formal. Also you started a debate by telling people incorrectly that it was more formal

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Penqu1N

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Read my comment to Cleg, he brought up the most valid point, two different education systems

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gagers78

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fair enough

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The_Cleg

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To settle the debate: in the notorious song dedicated to my pookie bear LeBron "The King" James "you are my sunshine", the artist, who has reached the highest expression of English literature ever, uses the "you are" form as opposed to its shortened form, thus settling the debate:
The only valid and appropriate form is you are.

Thx for coming

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Penqu1N

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its actually thanks* ☝️🤓

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meekkorg123456690

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no my pookie, they are literally the same thing
you're is conversational
you are is formal

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smthlikeyou11

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you carry the title of bronze.

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number1_cned_hater

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your bronze

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Penqu1N

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bro liked his own comment

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number1_cned_hater

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I didnt..

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Penqu1N

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🤨

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number1_cned_hater

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im not number 2 cned fan, hes the one that likes all of his comments

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goatstuff

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my bronze what?

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number1_cned_hater

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bronze trophy, I stole it sorry

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HongEunchae

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naw that aintit bud

idk if its different for oce but ascendants/dias and imms here play completely different. dias/ascs are random boosted ass trash that have no brain just run it down

the imm3 gap is also miles larger

so high elo is only imm3+ no debate

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Keep in mind the no brain argument doesn't always work. Lots of tier 2-3 teams have Ascendants as their IGL with bad aim. Look at FNS man, dudes a genius but has really bad aim for a pro. Aim matters more in comp than it does in pro. And I know he's hit radiant, but I think this is a little outrageous

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YeaUrMum

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bro called fns ascendant 3 nah im dead
he has been radiant basically every act last 3-4 acts

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Penqu1N

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you can't read

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YeaUrMum

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BBL clears Lulquid come back after u gitgud

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HongEunchae

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no matter how bad fns' aim is hed shit on you or any average immortal 3 any day of the week lmfao

sure aim matters say what u want until u get run over by perfect util then blame urself for not dinking 5 of them

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Botroretro

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if you’re not on the leaderboard it’s not high elo

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Penqu1N

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Yeah I can agree with this one more than the rest. I think thats a fair claim.

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mitskiteamo

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I'm in the leaderboard and I'm 40 rr away from being ascendant
no way I'm high elo

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goatstuff

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of course people here are going to say immortal+ is the start of high elo or whatever. you're on vlr forums where they have no life and follow pro play. But if you ask the general audience of valorant players it would probably be diamond+

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laeDLaer

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when u play in immo1 and high immo3/rad you will see the difference easily

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gold is pretty decent

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K4ziuHa

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no. no its not

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realvizierr

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when you get to Immortal 3+ you start to realize the only "high elo" that matters is pro play

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gagers78

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yeah, 'high elo' is such a useless term. Outside of pro play everything in this game is for fun or for enjoying the grind to a better elo.

That being said the only time strats etc matter is in full radiant lobbies, otherwise most top players can just outaim/outgamesense everyone.

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Depends on how you view it, if you're just talking about general player base then yes diamond and up is considered high elo. However that doesn't mean the average player baseline is "good", take every basketball player in the world for example, the average skill level is way below a highschool varsity level. So if you're better than the average that doesnt mean youre good if that makes sense.

When people say immortal up is considered high elo, they mean when you start actually getting good at the game. This probably just me yapping but I think the logic makes sense.

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I see your point, but not the whole world plays VALORANT. Lets remove Iron and Bronze for a second. Even then Ascendant would be "High Elo" as its top 10%. I'm one of those guys that doesn't think rank proves shit, so maybe I'm biased. But I am willing to say that its more of an achievement to solo queue to ascendant then it is to duo or trio to immortal. Your logic does make sense, just a little different then baseball imo

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ngl duo and trio players, stating as a solo q player lowkey throw the game though in high elo, because they are good enough to know not to reply to shit people say but they also sit in the bubble of their parties incapable of speaking to their teammates and in higher elo comparatively to iron/bronze/silver/gold where people are somewhat trying, that is troll.

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who cars, top 1 dumbest debate that happens in every game

at the bottom there are shitters that dont want to be shamed for their rank

at the top there are losers that want an ego boost for their rank

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Itsover

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immo3 400-500 rr is the cutoff (if you can get nAts in ur games you're high elo)

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no one cares about nuts hes washed

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This depends heavily on region, Regions like Oceania and asia i would say it's a hell of a lot easier to get to higher ranks purely because the competition isn't as fierce.

i feel like radiant is always the same in every region but if u put a team of NA/Emea immortals on a team vs Asia/Oceania Immortals the NA/Emea team would win 7 out of 10 games comparatively, but it also comes down to factors like does the NA/Emea team work well together, Does the Asia/Oceania team work well.

If your talking solely NA/Emea i feel immortal is the high elo, I've spent a lot of time and I'm only consistently d3/ascendant and I don't aim train, max 3 dms a day and get carried by util usage and my gamesense, i have 1 of the 3 pillars and am still consistently ascendant.

I feel like in Oceania or Asia i could reach ranks like immortal 1/2 with my current skill set just based off stuff i've seen myself.

that's my perspective :D

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Itsover

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you won't reach higher than d1 on APAC, London is the worst EU server for a reason.

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I don't play london, i also never mentioned apac.

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You said Asia which means APAC

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Gold is high elo +1

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Diamond is horrendous bro

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diamond is so ass bro you can't be serious
200rr in immo 3 is also just ascendant, it only gets good around 400rr

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Penqu1N

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different regions. just admit u want an ego boost. Watch Immo EMEA vs Diamond NA on youtube. Immo EMEA won 13-10. against diamond 1 and 2s

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send video

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Epicgamer69

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it was revealed to him in a dream

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Sorry can't relate, i'm bronze