TenZ needs to go

Zellsis can stay, he's a great player, so lets replace the pro who hasn't been relevant for two years taking over the role of someone who won Champs 2022 and made a Masters final in the same year, the same role the guy couldn't even play or some reason ever since he signed with this washed af org.

"but TenZ is better mechanically" insane argument to say to the 2022 Champs MVP, nothing but pure delusion here
"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to ppl.
"but TenZ is a team player, Pancada isn't" what does this even mean. Pancada plays smokes, how the fuck is he not a team player and what exactly makes TenZ just that?
"but TenZ brings better vibes to the team" this is the most brain dead argument to have ever graced this community, where were those vibes from him in 2022 and 2023?
"but TenZ can grow to be as good as Pancada" why make a risk like this when Pancada is sitting right there on the bench?

"but TenZ needs to stay for marketing" literally the only argument that makes sense but is still dumb af overall, this game is going to last for years and years, TenZ isn't the Faker of this game bc his competitive relevance has been declining and at some point we're just gonna remember him as that one pro who was super popular at the start of the game but began to get overshadowed by other players who became way more popular as a result soon enough. This bit isnt a conspiracy theory btw, it has happened to many other pros in other games already, it's just a natural process for a game's esport.

SEN prioritize temporary fame that'll only lead to imminent failure. Teams that win a lot will be the most popular and successful in the long-term, this SEN hype will continue to die out especially after this year where they'll get exposed for having a weak link that can be easily fixed. If EG's org wasn't terrible and they kept their Champs roster, they would be entering 2024 as the most popular NA team even though they began as nobodies at the start of the year, this is because they actually won shit.

You know why SEN are even popular to begin with? It's bc they won shit in 2021, and they're still leeching off of that success until it fades.

If you want SEN to be the best, replace TenZ for Pancada.
If you want SEN to grow both competitively and financially down the line, replace TenZ for Pancada.

None of this is rocket science, there's an opportunity to make this team and org better, and it starts with the removal of a single player. If it happens then it'll sting for a bit obviously, but that sting will be washed away when success comes pouring in. SEN are once again trying to half ass themselves success and its going to end terribly as it always does.

EDIT: Please stop saying "oh but SEN probably tried to replace TenZ but the results were worse" no they didn't, don''t lie to yourselves please. Find me a scrimbux this off season that has TenZ on bench when he isn't sick, TenZ is staying as a starter no matter what to them for marketing purposes. They put him on bench during the Americas League and got shit on by every fan alive bc of it, and now they're scared of doing it again. Even if they picked up Demon1 or aspas, TenZ would still be of higher priority.

EDIT #2: For the ppl saying that its too late to make a change, this is SEN we're talking about, the team that has repeatedly made roster changes midseason. It's never too late for these guys lol.

if you read this and call it bait then there's no hope for you. TenZ isn't some omnipotent content god lol.

if they want to keep tenz on smokes might as well replace him

the right move will always be tenz initiator pancada smokes but zellsis initiator is good too

or maybe just keep the team as it is 3 weeks before vct. pancada is on the bench bro you gotta accept it

Literally first smart topic I've ever read here

Jus remove both tenz and pancada, then steal nats from liquid

sen losing tenz is the equivalent of gsw losing steph curry

Imo, I feel like either one (TenZ and Pancada) could fit in the roster. But its also kinda wasteful if you bench either one of them, as it's just a waste of talent.

Man SEN have literally had the best offseason possible why make changes

I agree with some of your points but the only reason you have to say start pancada is because TenZ is playing smokes. TenZ played great last event, was second on SEN in ACS and Assists, KDR and KAST. I think the only thing that he needs to do is play more disciplined thats literally it, they're playing great and the coaching staff has most likely addressed it, he played great on Omen last event, I think if SEN plays good during Kickoff Pancada has to leave the team because you can't just keep a player of the caliber on the bench it think Mechanically, Yes TenZ is better, and during last event he was second in clutches and top 5 in multikills, I think listening to the SEN comms TenZ is very proactive he constantly calls out what util he has and his Kayo and Yoru are very good. I think he's insanely good and if he joins another team they're most likely going to have him just play Jett which he doesn't want to do without running a double duelist comp, we just have to wait and see, I think TenZ is very valuable and on maps like Icebox he might play Yoru or just a traditional Kayo, They had a great offseason I don't see them changing shit with the way they're dominating T1 teams in scrims but its just scrims at the end of the day, I think keeping TenZ is beneficial, the way I see it is TenZ is like Zekken they both bring the little kid energy and need to be kept on a leash but they can close rounds single handedly during the Afreeca tournament TenZ had multiple rounds where he got 2 opening kills and made the game winnable he had 32 aswell we can't forget that and is way more aggressive than Pancada I think they'll also want to introduce him to new roles like maybe a Chamber or on Lotus which looked really good for Cryo, I think he brings more impact in the sense that he can also frag a better rate than Pancada, at the end of the day the coaching staff knows what they're doing.

I dont really have an opinion on the whole Tenz over Pancada arguement, imo theyre both great players, but obviously Pancada has more weight behind his name because of his success. Id be more inclined to agree with you made this post if Tenz was shitting the bed or Sen was looking shaky, but you have people singing praises to their performance like Fns and they won an international off-season event, yeah Pancada can do what Tenz is doing even better, but to take some of your words, why risk it? After a rough season, it feels to the Sen management that something finally clicked after a long time. Just wait it out bro, you can bring back this arguement if they dont make it to Madrid, but right now just saying 'Tenz needs to go' is braindead, no offense.

tldr

Have you ever wondered if SEN performs actually better without Pancada during practice? We'll never know for sure, but it seems evident that the current five players are more cohesive than past roster iterations.

It's not just about scrim scores, team chemistry matters, and it appears Pancada didn't mesh well with the rest of the team. There's no guarantee he would do better as a controller, it's not about mechanics or comms but rather his compatibility with the others.

I love the dude, but Pancada was fucked since when he signed with an org lacking direction. Sykko led them into a trap when they pushed Dephh as IGL, and Sacy and Pancada paid the price due to his incompetence in constructing a functional roster.

Do you really think that Kaplan hasn't tried that? It's that way for a reason that maybe we don't know. I think Pancada had his chances, and maybe it just didn't work out. TenZ is switching to other role way better than Pancada did, let TenZ cook.

Ok so SEN actually plays well for the first time in over two years, and the most logical answer to that is to replace someone on the team. Got it!

See when you think of valorant you think of tenz. The reason the org sentinels is still alive after it's fortnite days is tenz.
In that sense he's the faker of valorant just by pure popularity at the end of the day sen is a content focus org and the can't remove their brand value.

I agree pancada is certainly better than tenz on controller but nothing can be done

Did I miss a secret SEN game or something? Why are we pretending they're still dogshit?

You're right. Tenz's Omen has improved drastically, but Pancada is still a more natural controller player. Besides that, there's no role Tenz has played recently that Zellsis cannot play at an equal or higher level except maybe Yoru (I'm not talking just mechanics here).

That being said, I don't think it's a good idea to switch them at this stage. Based on vibes, demonstrated form, and cohesion, the current lineup is by far and away the best, and frankly that matters MORE than individual skill on agent roles. What should happen is Sen should give Pancada the option to join another team (such as MIBR where his old coach Bzka is), and then we get the best of both worlds: Sen playing well, and Pancada not on the bench for another season.

Tenz is the King

the king is irreplaceable

Both Brazilians are just pawns and can easily be replaced

Pancada can very well be better than tenz in-game. but the problem is his lack of speaking confident English hurt him. Imagine you're in a heated battle and your boy just stays quiet and minimal callouts, when a particular callout might have won you the round. Those kind of things they have to consider. Zellsis brought that dynamic where everyone is just speaking and comming freely. It's not always about who the best is, it also matters how well your 5 is communicating and connecting. they could have a better synergy as that 5 vs the 5 with Pancada. Don't think too deep boys.

54# comments on here but not one allat yet

Allat

Doesn't getting rid of tenz remove their Bind from being maybe the best in the world? That gives them a huge advantage alone because of map vetos like EG and Fracture. Also to get rid of Tenz they lose flexibility on other maps where he doesn't only play smokes like the breeze comp or Bind comp and tbh he's probably not gonna play smokes on their icebox comp either since they're most likely gonna use viper instead of omen

This is the most stupid take ever

Oh yes please replace someone who plays yoru, initiators and omen like a duelist with someone who only plays smokes. LOL Y'all are so weird ffs get a grip.

Bait used to be believable...

Did we ban this again?

Cause it’s time.

Sorry we ain’t reading allat

allat.

Nah, team looks cohesive for once, making unnecessary changes will ruin that.

the downvotes and delusion are crazy on this one 😭 good take tbh, but it's Sen so wtv, also it's too late to say stuff even tho we've been saying it since pancada was benched bc their money cow needed to be kept on the roster

I was gonna write a comment to argue but realized it's pointless.
have fun bro

good take, the only thing keeping TenZ in the lineup is Yoru imo, he has shown amazing playmaking potential, but zellsis is undeniably better in every other role or instance

still happy he's playing tho, he's been one of my favorite players for years now

"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to pp is the baitiest thing anyone has ever uttered from their mouth

Another day of an absolute nobody thinking he knows better than people who are getting paid to do their job.
Really funny and impressive how delusional and in their own head some people are.

Another W bait!!!! Only 2 days after the last one, crazy the kids must be going hungry but don't worry my king, I filled your wallet last time, and I can do it again. VAMOOOOOOOSSSSSS

Get better bait no one actually important cares

Didn't ask don't care
Allat

It would be SICK if we all met and argued irl HAHAHAHA

TenZ is the faker of valorant. Noone says "this guys demon1" "thats aspas" "yo this might be yay" when theres an immortal smurf in their plat lobbies. they say "is that tenz?" now when theres a boosted bronze in their lobby, they say "wait.. is that asuna?"

bait used to be believable 🤣🤣🤣 imagine wanting to change SENs roster after the performance showed at the afreecatv tournament

It's so funny watching the OP's replies to the arguments. Because when he get's proven wrong he just gaslights people or just insult them. What makes this so scary is that this dude actually believes in this and is very much not a bait considering how much he replied. In the end, Sentinels just works with Tenz and they're winning all of their matches, so if it aint broke then don't fix it.

t0nz

tenz is goat pancada sucks he doesnt even give comms should learn from sacy how to adjust in team

I'm not even a Sen fan but let's not be delusional.
Results do speak. Let's not kid around we all saw how TenZ did in afreecatv

Pancada being benched is a psychological case study of DENIAL

Yo bro, I think you were right 😂😂

happiness_ L's getting too common

aged like milk.

🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye
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🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye
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Holy fuck ur stupid 🤣

yeah I agree 😂

Man will cry at the corner bcos his goat did not play and they are still winning

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Oh this rly aged badly. Wonder how you feel now after writing a complete book about why TenZ shoud leave.

you are all fucking stupid its happiness u fell for it

God this must be sideshow form the shitcast. SEN faithful we up💪🏽

This aged well 😂

Aged like fken milk

Where u at moron?Semen1 needs to go

tenz plays better smokes than demon1

Brother u probably feel really stupid rn ngl…

this aged well

sadness_

tenz's fame + clout + their performance rn = peak sen