TenZ needs to go

Zellsis can stay, he's a great player, so lets replace the pro who hasn't been relevant for two years taking over the role of someone who won Champs 2022 and made a Masters final in the same year, the same role the guy couldn't even play or some reason ever since he signed with this washed af org.

"but TenZ is better mechanically" insane argument to say to the 2022 Champs MVP, nothing but pure delusion here
"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to ppl.
"but TenZ is a team player, Pancada isn't" what does this even mean. Pancada plays smokes, how the fuck is he not a team player and what exactly makes TenZ just that?
"but TenZ brings better vibes to the team" this is the most brain dead argument to have ever graced this community, where were those vibes from him in 2022 and 2023?
"but TenZ can grow to be as good as Pancada" why make a risk like this when Pancada is sitting right there on the bench?

"but TenZ needs to stay for marketing" literally the only argument that makes sense but is still dumb af overall, this game is going to last for years and years, TenZ isn't the Faker of this game bc his competitive relevance has been declining and at some point we're just gonna remember him as that one pro who was super popular at the start of the game but began to get overshadowed by other players who became way more popular as a result soon enough. This bit isnt a conspiracy theory btw, it has happened to many other pros in other games already, it's just a natural process for a game's esport.

SEN prioritize temporary fame that'll only lead to imminent failure. Teams that win a lot will be the most popular and successful in the long-term, this SEN hype will continue to die out especially after this year where they'll get exposed for having a weak link that can be easily fixed. If EG's org wasn't terrible and they kept their Champs roster, they would be entering 2024 as the most popular NA team even though they began as nobodies at the start of the year, this is because they actually won shit.

You know why SEN are even popular to begin with? It's bc they won shit in 2021, and they're still leeching off of that success until it fades.

If you want SEN to be the best, replace TenZ for Pancada.
If you want SEN to grow both competitively and financially down the line, replace TenZ for Pancada.

None of this is rocket science, there's an opportunity to make this team and org better, and it starts with the removal of a single player. If it happens then it'll sting for a bit obviously, but that sting will be washed away when success comes pouring in. SEN are once again trying to half ass themselves success and its going to end terribly as it always does.

EDIT: Please stop saying "oh but SEN probably tried to replace TenZ but the results were worse" no they didn't, don''t lie to yourselves please. Find me a scrimbux this off season that has TenZ on bench when he isn't sick, TenZ is staying as a starter no matter what to them for marketing purposes. They put him on bench during the Americas League and got shit on by every fan alive bc of it, and now they're scared of doing it again. Even if they picked up Demon1 or aspas, TenZ would still be of higher priority.

EDIT #2: For the ppl saying that its too late to make a change, this is SEN we're talking about, the team that has repeatedly made roster changes midseason. It's never too late for these guys lol.

if you read this and call it bait then there's no hope for you. TenZ isn't some omnipotent content god lol.

if they want to keep tenz on smokes might as well replace him

the right move will always be tenz initiator pancada smokes but zellsis initiator is good too

or maybe just keep the team as it is 3 weeks before vct. pancada is on the bench bro you gotta accept it

Literally first smart topic I've ever read here

Jus remove both tenz and pancada, then steal nats from liquid

sen losing tenz is the equivalent of gsw losing steph curry

gfnchaoz [#7]

sen losing tenz is the equivalent of gsw losing steph curry

good to know that you read absolutely nothing

michaelisupset [#4]

or maybe just keep the team as it is 3 weeks before vct. pancada is on the bench bro you gotta accept it

you say this like its a final decision when SEN are notorious for mid-season roster changes lol

happiness_ [#8]

good to know that you read absolutely nothing

wdym? did I say something wrong? I was just stating fax

gfnchaoz [#10]

wdym? did I say something wrong? I was just stating fax

XD

Imo, I feel like either one (TenZ and Pancada) could fit in the roster. But its also kinda wasteful if you bench either one of them, as it's just a waste of talent.

happiness_ [#11]

XD

do you think sacy fits better than tenz? what do you think about the starting 5 of tenz zekken pancada zellsis and johnqt?

gfnchaoz [#13]

do you think sacy fits better than tenz? what do you think about the starting 5 of tenz zekken pancada zellsis and johnqt?

sacy is a better fit than tenz yes

Man SEN have literally had the best offseason possible why make changes

Asuna_Yuuki [#15]

Man SEN have literally had the best offseason possible why make changes

oh there's going to be changes this season anyways dont get it twisted, but one things for certain though is that TenZ will 100% still be starting

happiness_ [#9]

you say this like its a final decision when SEN are notorious for mid-season roster changes lol

it’s almost like those mid season decisions are what ruined them as a team last year and they’ve learned from their mistakes

happiness_ [#14]

sacy is a better fit than tenz yes

fair point, and probably you're right, replacing tenz with pancada is the key but sadly that won't happen

michaelisupset [#17]

it’s almost like those mid season decisions are what ruined them as a team last year and they’ve learned from their mistakes

but why do you say this when the season hasn't even fucking started yet bro you're actually concerning me. "they've learned from their mistakes" like what? how? how are you confident in that claim?

I agree with some of your points but the only reason you have to say start pancada is because TenZ is playing smokes. TenZ played great last event, was second on SEN in ACS and Assists, KDR and KAST. I think the only thing that he needs to do is play more disciplined thats literally it, they're playing great and the coaching staff has most likely addressed it, he played great on Omen last event, I think if SEN plays good during Kickoff Pancada has to leave the team because you can't just keep a player of the caliber on the bench it think Mechanically, Yes TenZ is better, and during last event he was second in clutches and top 5 in multikills, I think listening to the SEN comms TenZ is very proactive he constantly calls out what util he has and his Kayo and Yoru are very good. I think he's insanely good and if he joins another team they're most likely going to have him just play Jett which he doesn't want to do without running a double duelist comp, we just have to wait and see, I think TenZ is very valuable and on maps like Icebox he might play Yoru or just a traditional Kayo, They had a great offseason I don't see them changing shit with the way they're dominating T1 teams in scrims but its just scrims at the end of the day, I think keeping TenZ is beneficial, the way I see it is TenZ is like Zekken they both bring the little kid energy and need to be kept on a leash but they can close rounds single handedly during the Afreeca tournament TenZ had multiple rounds where he got 2 opening kills and made the game winnable he had 32 aswell we can't forget that and is way more aggressive than Pancada I think they'll also want to introduce him to new roles like maybe a Chamber or on Lotus which looked really good for Cryo, I think he brings more impact in the sense that he can also frag a better rate than Pancada, at the end of the day the coaching staff knows what they're doing.

envyz [#20]

I agree with some of your points but the only reason you have to say start pancada is because TenZ is playing smokes. TenZ played great last event, was second on SEN in ACS and Assists, KDR and KAST. I think the only thing that he needs to do is play more disciplined thats literally it, they're playing great and the coaching staff has most likely addressed it, he played great on Omen last event, I think if SEN plays good during Kickoff Pancada has to leave the team because you can't just keep a player of the caliber on the bench it think Mechanically, Yes TenZ is better, and during last event he was second in clutches and top 5 in multikills, I think listening to the SEN comms TenZ is very proactive he constantly calls out what util he has and his Kayo and Yoru are very good. I think he's insanely good and if he joins another team they're most likely going to have him just play Jett which he doesn't want to do without running a double duelist comp, we just have to wait and see, I think TenZ is very valuable and on maps like Icebox he might play Yoru or just a traditional Kayo, They had a great offseason I don't see them changing shit with the way they're dominating T1 teams in scrims but its just scrims at the end of the day, I think keeping TenZ is beneficial, the way I see it is TenZ is like Zekken they both bring the little kid energy and need to be kept on a leash but they can close rounds single handedly during the Afreeca tournament TenZ had multiple rounds where he got 2 opening kills and made the game winnable he had 32 aswell we can't forget that and is way more aggressive than Pancada I think they'll also want to introduce him to new roles like maybe a Chamber or on Lotus which looked really good for Cryo, I think he brings more impact in the sense that he can also frag a better rate than Pancada, at the end of the day the coaching staff knows what they're doing.

you can imagine the off season tournaments to be held of the same value as VCT events as much as you want but I just want to tell you that it isn't the truth at all. PRX is the perfect example of why the off season doesn't matter as much as you guys think, they were literally swapping players and roles mid series as a form of practice in the grand final of the AfreecaTV event itself with a player who isn't even gonna be playing this year. The event showed that SEN are a good team dont get it twisted, but by no means did it show anything more than that.

happiness_ [#19]

but why do you say this when the season hasn't even fucking started yet bro you're actually concerning me. "they've learned from their mistakes" like what? how? how are you confident in that claim?

because they have talked a lot about how the mid season changes fucked them. are you dense?

michaelisupset [#22]

because they have talked a lot about how the mid season changes fucked them. are you dense?

they also talked about how they were gonna keep the marved roster multiple times before they cut him for johnqt, please wake up LOL

https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1661082893295419393 ?XD

happiness_ [#21]

you can imagine the off season tournaments to be held of the same value as VCT events as much as you want but I just want to tell you that it isn't the truth at all. PRX is the perfect example of why the off season doesn't matter as much as you guys think, they were literally swapping players and roles mid series as a form of practice in the grand final of the AfreecaTV event itself with a player who isn't even gonna be playing this year. The event showed that SEN are a good team dont get it twisted, but by no means did it show anything more than that.

by no means do I think offseason tournaments mean as much as VCT events, it can also tell what kind of work they put in PRX and DRX are great teams beating them is not easy even if they're trying shit. I think PRX switching Jinggg and Monyet was really troll, Monyet played poorly, but I do think their first matchup was PRX trying to some extent they beat SEN on Sunset which is their only loss on the map with Jinggg. I think SEN with this roster is impossible to fail with a IGL like JohnQT he turned around the team in the minimal time he was there, they look good tho. I think they just need to clean up some maps but their scrims are going great its only 3 weeks till Kickoff and i think they'll do good theres about 4-5 contenders in NA most competitive region every match is going to be hard.

envyz [#24]

by no means do I think offseason tournaments mean as much as VCT events, it can also tell what kind of work they put in PRX and DRX are great teams beating them is not easy even if they're trying shit. I think PRX switching Jinggg and Monyet was really troll, Monyet played poorly, but I do think their first matchup was PRX trying to some extent they beat SEN on Sunset which is their only loss on the map with Jinggg. I think SEN with this roster is impossible to fail with a IGL like JohnQT he turned around the team in the minimal time he was there, they look good tho. I think they just need to clean up some maps but their scrims are going great its only 3 weeks till Kickoff and i think they'll do good theres about 4-5 contenders in NA most competitive region every match is going to be hard.

I'm not arguing that they won't be good, I'm arguing that they can be better with the addition of pancada.

happiness_ [#25]

I'm not arguing that they won't be good, I'm arguing that they can be better with the addition of pancada.

at the end of the day we have to see, they have good results with TenZ as I said do you not think the coaching staff has addressed this exact thing we're talking about that's what you think, thats not what Kaplan or DrewSparks thinks, at the end of the day neither of us have any competitive experience nor do we know what is going on behind closed doors, thats your opinion you THINK they'll be better but will they? they've definitely tried this and have most likely scrimmed with Pancada and Zellsis in the same server.

I dont really have an opinion on the whole Tenz over Pancada arguement, imo theyre both great players, but obviously Pancada has more weight behind his name because of his success. Id be more inclined to agree with you made this post if Tenz was shitting the bed or Sen was looking shaky, but you have people singing praises to their performance like Fns and they won an international off-season event, yeah Pancada can do what Tenz is doing even better, but to take some of your words, why risk it? After a rough season, it feels to the Sen management that something finally clicked after a long time. Just wait it out bro, you can bring back this arguement if they dont make it to Madrid, but right now just saying 'Tenz needs to go' is braindead, no offense.

envyz [#26]

at the end of the day we have to see, they have good results with TenZ as I said do you not think the coaching staff has addressed this exact thing we're talking about that's what you think, thats not what Kaplan or DrewSparks thinks, at the end of the day neither of us have any competitive experience nor do we know what is going on behind closed doors, thats your opinion you THINK they'll be better but will they? they've definitely tried this and have most likely scrimmed with Pancada and Zellsis in the same server.

kaplan and drew must've done something absurd to make tenz work better than pancada on smokes

tldr

Have you ever wondered if SEN performs actually better without Pancada during practice? We'll never know for sure, but it seems evident that the current five players are more cohesive than past roster iterations.

It's not just about scrim scores, team chemistry matters, and it appears Pancada didn't mesh well with the rest of the team. There's no guarantee he would do better as a controller, it's not about mechanics or comms but rather his compatibility with the others.

I love the dude, but Pancada was fucked since when he signed with an org lacking direction. Sykko led them into a trap when they pushed Dephh as IGL, and Sacy and Pancada paid the price due to his incompetence in constructing a functional roster.

Tristen11 [#27]

I dont really have an opinion on the whole Tenz over Pancada arguement, imo theyre both great players, but obviously Pancada has more weight behind his name because of his success. Id be more inclined to agree with you made this post if Tenz was shitting the bed or Sen was looking shaky, but you have people singing praises to their performance like Fns and they won an international off-season event, yeah Pancada can do what Tenz is doing even better, but to take some of your words, why risk it? After a rough season, it feels to the Sen management that something finally clicked after a long time. Just wait it out bro, you can bring back this arguement if they dont make it to Madrid, but right now just saying 'Tenz needs to go' is braindead, no offense.

replacing TenZ for Pancada brings no risk whatsoever and saying that while admitting that Pancada is a better player and that he can make the team better makes no sense. SEN most likely never took out TenZ from starting in scrims this off season because of the flame they got for replacing him for Marved for a bit + the fact that there's been no confirmed scrimbux of TenZ sitting out on unless he's sick, all because TenZ and his popularity of course. That something which clicked was purely JohnQT's and a bit of Zellsis' addition, like it's straight up an objective fact to say that Pancada would raise the team's ceiling AND floor no matter what. We've seen him play smokes even during the off season once and he balled out.

TenZ is in the process of learning a role that Pancada (ex world champ) is already an expert in, it makes no sense to say it would be risky to replace him bc of it.

Do you really think that Kaplan hasn't tried that? It's that way for a reason that maybe we don't know. I think Pancada had his chances, and maybe it just didn't work out. TenZ is switching to other role way better than Pancada did, let TenZ cook.

kitsuneHP [#29]

tldr

sentinels has the opportunity to be a better team if they replace tenz for pancada

dandinotro [#32]

Do you really think that Kaplan hasn't tried that? It's that way for a reason that maybe we don't know. I think Pancada had his chances, and maybe it just didn't work out. TenZ is switching to other role way better than Pancada did, let TenZ cook.

if kaplan was the guy who put sacy on smokes last season we should not trust him 💀

Ok so SEN actually plays well for the first time in over two years, and the most logical answer to that is to replace someone on the team. Got it!

See when you think of valorant you think of tenz. The reason the org sentinels is still alive after it's fortnite days is tenz.
In that sense he's the faker of valorant just by pure popularity at the end of the day sen is a content focus org and the can't remove their brand value.

I agree pancada is certainly better than tenz on controller but nothing can be done

h1gh_fall [#34]

if kaplan was the guy who put sacy on smokes last season we should not trust him 💀

Wasn't that Syyko? He got dropped after thta

alex_lab [#35]

Ok so SEN actually plays well for the first time in over two years, and the most logical answer to that is to replace someone on the team. Got it!

#31

alex_lab [#35]

Ok so SEN actually plays well for the first time in over two years, and the most logical answer to that is to replace someone on the team. Got it!

yeah of course tenz was the whole reason the team played well, johnqt and kaplan did nothing for sure

EseemedRes1180 [#36]

See when you think of valorant you think of tenz. The reason the org sentinels is still alive after it's fortnite days is tenz.
In that sense he's the faker of valorant just by pure popularity at the end of the day sen is a content focus org and the can't remove their brand value.

I agree pancada is certainly better than tenz on controller but nothing can be done

you're exaggerating TenZ's popularity by a lot first of all, he's nowhere NEAR Faker's popularity like it's not even remotely close for multiple reasons. This type of thought process and exaggeration is why SEN are too scared to replace him and grow as a team. You glossed over a lot of my points on why TenZ should still be replaced and I recommend that you read them pls.

EseemedRes1180 [#36]

See when you think of valorant you think of tenz. The reason the org sentinels is still alive after it's fortnite days is tenz.
In that sense he's the faker of valorant just by pure popularity at the end of the day sen is a content focus org and the can't remove their brand value.

I agree pancada is certainly better than tenz on controller but nothing can be done

when i think of valorant i think of desperation, sadness

happiness_ [#38]

#31

You do realize that it is really not that simple? Chemistry, practice, comms, those are all things that this starting 5 have worked on all offseason (to great success might I add). Changing the team right before the season IS really risky. I don’t understand how you could even argue otherwise

alex_lab [#42]

You do realize that it is really not that simple? Chemistry, practice, comms, those are all things that this starting 5 have worked on all offseason (to great success might I add). Changing the team right before the season IS really risky. I don’t understand how you could even argue otherwise

I mean I'm not forcing the change literally right now, but I believe there's going to be changes to the roster anyways within the season given SEN's history of doing just that.

Did I miss a secret SEN game or something? Why are we pretending they're still dogshit?

You're right. Tenz's Omen has improved drastically, but Pancada is still a more natural controller player. Besides that, there's no role Tenz has played recently that Zellsis cannot play at an equal or higher level except maybe Yoru (I'm not talking just mechanics here).

That being said, I don't think it's a good idea to switch them at this stage. Based on vibes, demonstrated form, and cohesion, the current lineup is by far and away the best, and frankly that matters MORE than individual skill on agent roles. What should happen is Sen should give Pancada the option to join another team (such as MIBR where his old coach Bzka is), and then we get the best of both worlds: Sen playing well, and Pancada not on the bench for another season.

gfnchaoz [#7]

sen losing tenz is the equivalent of gsw losing steph curry

Not even remotely close, a better comparison IMO is the lakers replacing LeBron with Tatum or SGA.

h1gh_fall [#39]

yeah of course tenz was the whole reason the team played well, johnqt and kaplan did nothing for sure

Bro pls. Read the message before saying nonsense. Of course everyone played well, TenZ wasn’t the only reason they won. But arguing that a team that played well should change a player for literally no reason makes no sense at all

happiness_ [#23]

they also talked about how they were gonna keep the marved roster multiple times before they cut him for johnqt, please wake up LOL

https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1661082893295419393 ?XD

this was tweeted after a bait regarding the roster for lcq

Tenz is the King

the king is irreplaceable

Both Brazilians are just pawns and can easily be replaced

happiness_ [#31]

replacing TenZ for Pancada brings no risk whatsoever and saying that while admitting that Pancada is a better player and that he can make the team better makes no sense. SEN most likely never took out TenZ from starting in scrims this off season because of the flame they got for replacing him for Marved for a bit + the fact that there's been no confirmed scrimbux of TenZ sitting out on unless he's sick, all because TenZ and his popularity of course. That something which clicked was purely JohnQT's and a bit of Zellsis' addition, like it's straight up an objective fact to say that Pancada would raise the team's ceiling AND floor no matter what. We've seen him play smokes even during the off season once and he balled out.

TenZ is in the process of learning a role that Pancada (ex world champ) is already an expert in, it makes no sense to say it would be risky to replace him bc of it.

I never agreed to there being no risk, I said why risk it at all? You cant expect to swap them out and the chances of the team performing at a higher level to be 100% guaranteed, theres always a chance of failure. So yeah you cant say theres NO risk, theres always a risk bro, be fr.

The fact of the matter is, sentinels have yet to lose since they made the change for Zellsis in and Pancada benched. If it aint broke, dont fix it, simple as that. And iirc Sentinels did that thing with Marved for Tenz because he was sick? I dont remember Sen getting flame for that? Maybe flame from a bunch of idiots cuz that was out of their control.

Also, crediting all of Sen's current prowess and cohesion on the back of Zellsis and JohnQt is just wrong and you know it, sure they are the bulk of the reason why Sen is looking sharp once again, but its a team effort. And what I said makes perfect sense, just not to you, yes Pancada can do better than Tenz, but as of right now, theres no reason take Tenz out for him. Well, besides your personal vendetta it seems. No disrespect, but flag and flair checks out, I know Loud fans yall love pancada, and I agree hes too talented to be stuck in a mf bench position, but try to understand why hes there. A tough circumstance, thats all it is, would be nice to see him play during the season though.

michaelisupset [#48]

this was tweeted after a bait regarding the roster for lcq

you are currently in a state of denial

Tristen11 [#50]

I never agreed to there being no risk, I said why risk it at all? You cant expect to swap them out and the chances of the team performing at a higher level to be 100% guaranteed, theres always a chance of failure. So yeah you cant say theres NO risk, theres always a risk bro, be fr.

The fact of the matter is, sentinels have yet to lose since they made the change for Zellsis in and Pancada benched. If it aint broke, dont fix it, simple as that. And iirc Sentinels did that thing with Marved for Tenz because he was sick? I dont remember Sen getting flame for that? Maybe flame from a bunch of idiots cuz that was out of their control.

Also, crediting all of Sen's current prowess and cohesion on the back of Zellsis and JohnQt is just wrong and you know it, sure they are the bulk of the reason why Sen is looking sharp once again, but its a team effort. And what I said makes perfect sense, just not to you, yes Pancada can do better than Tenz, but as of right now, theres no reason take Tenz out for him. Well, besides your personal vendetta it seems. No disrespect, but flag and flair checks out, I know Loud fans yall love pancada, and I agree hes too talented to be stuck in a mf bench position, but try to understand why hes there. A tough circumstance, thats all it is, would be nice to see him play during the season though.

If you straight up admit that Pancada is the better player, then literally what risk is there to replace a smokes player with an even better one lol. You think Pancada is gonna mind control his teammates to suddenly shit the bed? Wtf does TenZ bring to the table as a controller that Pancada can't? How can you admit that Pancada is the better player given the context yet also say that TenZ shouldn't be replaced bc its too risky?

SEN 100% got flame for putting TenZ on bench and I can't believe you're out here lying to yourself on that, dephh took like 99% of all the flame for being a starter over TenZ on like every social media platform ever.

Yes, crediting pretty much all of SEN's current prowess and cohesion on the back of Zellsis and JohnQT is the truth, because where was this team's performance during VCT 2023 without them lol. Don't lie to yourself like this.

Pancada can very well be better than tenz in-game. but the problem is his lack of speaking confident English hurt him. Imagine you're in a heated battle and your boy just stays quiet and minimal callouts, when a particular callout might have won you the round. Those kind of things they have to consider. Zellsis brought that dynamic where everyone is just speaking and comming freely. It's not always about who the best is, it also matters how well your 5 is communicating and connecting. they could have a better synergy as that 5 vs the 5 with Pancada. Don't think too deep boys.

jamONE [#53]

Pancada can very well be better than tenz in-game. but the problem is his lack of speaking confident English hurt him. Imagine you're in a heated battle and your boy just stays quiet and minimal callouts, when a particular callout might have won you the round. Those kind of things they have to consider. Zellsis brought that dynamic where everyone is just speaking and comming freely. It's not always about who the best is, it also matters how well your 5 is communicating and connecting. they could have a better synergy as that 5 vs the 5 with Pancada. Don't think too deep boys.

please watch at least a single SEN comms video to retract this god awful argument. Compare Pancada and TenZ's comms please. Also his english is fluent btw, why you believe otherwise is concerning.

Tristen11 [#50]

I never agreed to there being no risk, I said why risk it at all? You cant expect to swap them out and the chances of the team performing at a higher level to be 100% guaranteed, theres always a chance of failure. So yeah you cant say theres NO risk, theres always a risk bro, be fr.

The fact of the matter is, sentinels have yet to lose since they made the change for Zellsis in and Pancada benched. If it aint broke, dont fix it, simple as that. And iirc Sentinels did that thing with Marved for Tenz because he was sick? I dont remember Sen getting flame for that? Maybe flame from a bunch of idiots cuz that was out of their control.

Also, crediting all of Sen's current prowess and cohesion on the back of Zellsis and JohnQt is just wrong and you know it, sure they are the bulk of the reason why Sen is looking sharp once again, but its a team effort. And what I said makes perfect sense, just not to you, yes Pancada can do better than Tenz, but as of right now, theres no reason take Tenz out for him. Well, besides your personal vendetta it seems. No disrespect, but flag and flair checks out, I know Loud fans yall love pancada, and I agree hes too talented to be stuck in a mf bench position, but try to understand why hes there. A tough circumstance, thats all it is, would be nice to see him play during the season though.

so basically they will have to wait for tenz to choke to do a change they could've done in the off-season

happiness_ [#51]

you are currently in a state of denial

no I think you’re just an idiot who can’t face the facts that pancada is worse for the team than zellsis

michaelisupset [#56]

no I think you’re just an idiot who can’t face the facts that pancada is worse for the team than zellsis

you are so brain dead to the point where you already forgot that i'm actually comparing Pancada to TenZ and not Zellsis oh my god lol

happiness_ [#57]

you are so brain dead to the point where you already forgot that i'm actually comparing Pancada to TenZ and not Zellsis oh my god lol

either way my point stands. tenz is much better than pancada

happiness_ [#52]

If you straight up admit that Pancada is the better player, then literally what risk is there to replace a smokes player with an even better one lol. You think Pancada is gonna mind control his teammates to suddenly shit the bed? Wtf does TenZ bring to the table as a controller that Pancada can't? How can you admit that Pancada is the better player given the context yet also say that TenZ shouldn't be replaced bc its too risky?

SEN 100% got flame for putting TenZ on bench and I can't believe you're out here lying to yourself on that, dephh took like 99% of all the flame for being a starter over TenZ on like every social media platform ever.

Yes, crediting pretty much all of SEN's current prowess and cohesion on the back of Zellsis and JohnQT is the truth, because where was this team's performance during VCT 2023 without them lol. Don't lie to yourself like this.

Did you read anything I said? You asking questions I already made a point on. I feel like you just skim whatever I type so its pointless. And Im not letting you gaslight me into thinking im lying to myself. Whatever bro, have a good day

zardinez [#45]

You're right. Tenz's Omen has improved drastically, but Pancada is still a more natural controller player. Besides that, there's no role Tenz has played recently that Zellsis cannot play at an equal or higher level except maybe Yoru (I'm not talking just mechanics here).

That being said, I don't think it's a good idea to switch them at this stage. Based on vibes, demonstrated form, and cohesion, the current lineup is by far and away the best, and frankly that matters MORE than individual skill on agent roles. What should happen is Sen should give Pancada the option to join another team (such as MIBR where his old coach Bzka is), and then we get the best of both worlds: Sen playing well, and Pancada not on the bench for another season.

everything but mibr bro, that team is cursed

michaelisupset [#58]

either way my point stands. tenz is much better than pancada

xd

Tristen11 [#59]

Did you read anything I said? You asking questions I already made a point on. I feel like you just skim whatever I type so its pointless. And Im not letting you gaslight me into thinking im lying to myself. Whatever bro, have a good day

Literally read it over like twice but ok then bro. "And iirc Sentinels did that thing with Marved for Tenz because he was sick? I dont remember Sen getting flame for that? Maybe flame from a bunch of idiots cuz that was out of their control" like the entire SEN community was on dephh and SEN's ass during that xd

54# comments on here but not one allat yet

Allat

happiness_ [#54]

please watch at least a single SEN comms video to retract this god awful argument. Compare Pancada and TenZ's comms please. Also his english is fluent btw, why you believe otherwise is concerning.

I never said he wasn't fluent. I said speaking CONFIDENTLY. meaning he could be holding back or not articulating something well enough when things come up. If English isn't your first language it's only natural to hesitate because he's thinking in Portuguese first. No shade on him. that's just the fact, ask anyone who is bilingual or multilingual where English isn't their first language.

Doesn't getting rid of tenz remove their Bind from being maybe the best in the world? That gives them a huge advantage alone because of map vetos like EG and Fracture. Also to get rid of Tenz they lose flexibility on other maps where he doesn't only play smokes like the breeze comp or Bind comp and tbh he's probably not gonna play smokes on their icebox comp either since they're most likely gonna use viper instead of omen

happiness_ [#62]

Literally read it over like twice but ok then bro. "And iirc Sentinels did that thing with Marved for Tenz because he was sick? I dont remember Sen getting flame for that? Maybe flame from a bunch of idiots cuz that was out of their control" like the entire SEN community was on dephh and SEN's ass during that xd

"Whole Community", what a bunch of nerds of vlr complaining? And if you read it over twice, why do you keep bringing up this stuff about 'If you straight up admit that Pancada is the better player, then literally what risk is there to replace a smokes player with an even better one'. How do you want me to explain risk mf? Its a concept, and yeah I already said its a small risk, but why take a risk at all, when THEY HAVE NEVER LSOT SINCE THE CHANGES. Huh? Do you black out when you read this part of my message? What idiot is going to make changes to lossless roster because their is an objectively better player available? Like dude your thinking is so clouded by just wanting to see pancada on the roster.

And whats with the gaslighting of saying im lying to myself. I already said they are the bulk of the reason for Sen being so good rn but in the end its a team effort, are you blind? What youre telling me im lying to myself because im giving the bare minimum of credit to Tenz, Zekken and Sacy?

This is the most stupid take ever

happiness_ [#23]

they also talked about how they were gonna keep the marved roster multiple times before they cut him for johnqt, please wake up LOL

https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1661082893295419393 ?XD

Brother this was posted in May. They clearly didn't mean "We will not ever change the roster again in the history of the world". This meant that they wouldn't change the roster for LCQ.

Oh yes please replace someone who plays yoru, initiators and omen like a duelist with someone who only plays smokes. LOL Y'all are so weird ffs get a grip.

happiness_ [#61]

xd

for once i would have to agree with Mr.Happiness here, most of his post are bait garbage, but he is right here(I am a sen and tenz fan btw)

Bait used to be believable...

Did we ban this again?

Cause it’s time.

Sorry we ain’t reading allat

allat.

Nah, team looks cohesive for once, making unnecessary changes will ruin that.

the downvotes and delusion are crazy on this one 😭 good take tbh, but it's Sen so wtv, also it's too late to say stuff even tho we've been saying it since pancada was benched bc their money cow needed to be kept on the roster

I was gonna write a comment to argue but realized it's pointless.
have fun bro

good take, the only thing keeping TenZ in the lineup is Yoru imo, he has shown amazing playmaking potential, but zellsis is undeniably better in every other role or instance

still happy he's playing tho, he's been one of my favorite players for years now

michaelisupset [#17]

it’s almost like those mid season decisions are what ruined them as a team last year and they’ve learned from their mistakes

The bullshittery and level of braindead that constantly births itself on this forum makes me want to slit my throat because I don't even want to be under the same atmosphere as someone like you

Sidyon [#65]

Doesn't getting rid of tenz remove their Bind from being maybe the best in the world? That gives them a huge advantage alone because of map vetos like EG and Fracture. Also to get rid of Tenz they lose flexibility on other maps where he doesn't only play smokes like the breeze comp or Bind comp and tbh he's probably not gonna play smokes on their icebox comp either since they're most likely gonna use viper instead of omen

aint no way did you just compare SEN's Bind to EG's Fracture lmfao. EG beat teams like LOUD and FNC on Fracture, while SEN beat teams like 100T and a water downed PRX. Be fr bro. "SEN's Bind is the best in the world" when FNC still exists, absolute insanity of a claim

hellfire [#76]

the downvotes and delusion are crazy on this one 😭 good take tbh, but it's Sen so wtv, also it's too late to say stuff even tho we've been saying it since pancada was benched bc their money cow needed to be kept on the roster

truth hurts

"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to pp is the baitiest thing anyone has ever uttered from their mouth

jamONE [#64]

I never said he wasn't fluent. I said speaking CONFIDENTLY. meaning he could be holding back or not articulating something well enough when things come up. If English isn't your first language it's only natural to hesitate because he's thinking in Portuguese first. No shade on him. that's just the fact, ask anyone who is bilingual or multilingual where English isn't their first language.

So uhh, this is a lie, i don't blame you since you aren't a non-native english speaker, so you wouldn't know but i here a Portuguese that speaks english because i like english videos, most games are default in english, and so is the internet. i learned enlgish (with an accent ofc like most of us non-natives) and now when i'm in english mode i think in english, not subconsciously speaking portuguese and translating it subconsciously to english, i speak and think sentences that can't really be translated, or that don't have the same meaning when translated, this and actually since i've transitioned more to english even though i still live in portugal i think in english all the time, however i never think in portuguese, i cant remember it, however i don't translate from english when i speak with my family in portuguese. so what is it thats happening? well ill tell u, you dont actually think BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING, you can be more or less careful about what you say and how u say it, but thats not you talking to urself in any language because that would take too long, its just you doing it, you dont need to speak to express yourself, to yourself, because you are you, so you dont need language to say "oh im gonna turn this corner" you are you so you just do it. I KNOW I'M YAPPING BUT THATS JUST SO STUPID, Pancada at least atm doesn't speak fluently as in he doesnt have the vocabulary nor the PRACTICE, the reps compared to a native enlgish speaker, which in a subconscious action reps are EVERYTHING, and i won't get into it rn just look it up if you dont already know it. What matters here is that i that have only spoken english for a few years can comm perfectly in valorant, Pancada needs more time to speak english. im sorry for yapping but i dont like this SLANDER for the non natives, shits crazy

jamONE [#64]

I never said he wasn't fluent. I said speaking CONFIDENTLY. meaning he could be holding back or not articulating something well enough when things come up. If English isn't your first language it's only natural to hesitate because he's thinking in Portuguese first. No shade on him. that's just the fact, ask anyone who is bilingual or multilingual where English isn't their first language.

Again, please watch at least a single SEN comms vid so you stop making these delusional takes made from your dreams of Narnia. Listen to how and when he comms please, you don't need to reply back just do it, be informed, and move on with your life.

WalmartTenz [#82]

"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to pp is the baitiest thing anyone has ever uttered from their mouth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvYxlhMxgeY&t=800s watch this vid as an example, and take into consideration on how often Pancada calls during rounds and compare it to TenZ. Please don't defend a claim you have literally no knowledge in.

jawn [#78]

good take, the only thing keeping TenZ in the lineup is Yoru imo, he has shown amazing playmaking potential, but zellsis is undeniably better in every other role or instance

still happy he's playing tho, he's been one of my favorite players for years now

the yoru is nice ngl

WalmartTenz [#82]

"but TenZ is better at coms" he coms just as much as Pancada, literally no excuses there unless you're lowkey xenophobic. The man can speak english idk how this is news to pp is the baitiest thing anyone has ever uttered from their mouth

FNS said it best when hearing comms from afreeca "These are the comms of someone who wants it" referring to the win. I'm just quoting fns because its more credible than me saying it even though this is what i think too, Listen to his comms, he sounds like he wants the win, scratch that he REALLY FUCKING WANTS IT. You can hear the "urgency" in his voice, hearing it makes you understand that he really really really wants to win, and that's what you need. Also yes tenz is easier to understand CURRENTLY and has more experience speaking english even though its negligible when deciding who stays in the team since sacy is right there. While we're at it sentinels revenue doesn't depend on people with no involvement in esports, no job, no knowledge of the game, the only way SEN would get any actual drawbacks from removing TenZ is if he's fully gone, like not even kept as bench or content creator, then its impactful, just benching tenz does nothing to SEN, they will loose no actual fans because TenZ will still be part of sen, they will only say Oh I HATE SEN NOW then continue to cheer for sen anyways. TenZ playing in pro games doesn't put food on the table of any employees or people on sen

Another day of an absolute nobody thinking he knows better than people who are getting paid to do their job.
Really funny and impressive how delusional and in their own head some people are.

happiness_ [#85]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvYxlhMxgeY&t=800s watch this vid as an example, and take into consideration on how often Pancada calls during rounds and compare it to TenZ. Please don't defend a claim you have literally no knowledge in.

I'm sure you were trying to cherrypick a video, but in the video from start to finish Tenz is actually making calls and giving active comms to his teammates more than Pancada was. In the video he called for util more, and he commed more overall. So please don't try to disprove a claim YOU have no knowledge about with a video that proves my point.

WalmartTenz [#89]

I'm sure you were trying to cherrypick a video, but in the video from start to finish Tenz is actually making calls and giving active comms to his teammates more than Pancada was. In the video he called for util more, and he commed more overall. So please don't try to disprove a claim YOU have no knowledge about with a video that proves my point.

you clearly didn't watch the video without tinted glasses bro, but you do you if we're gonna be denying reality like this.

happiness_ [#90]

you clearly didn't watch the video without tinted glasses bro, but you do you if we're gonna be denying reality like this.

I very much did because I don't have any biases to either of them. You however do have biases towards Pancada as was made clear by this entire thread. I watched the entire video while listening to the people comming, and t wasn't very hard to tell that Tenz was comming more than Pancada was the entire video.

Another W bait!!!! Only 2 days after the last one, crazy the kids must be going hungry but don't worry my king, I filled your wallet last time, and I can do it again. VAMOOOOOOOSSSSSS

Get better bait no one actually important cares

happiness_ [#9]

you say this like its a final decision when SEN are notorious for mid-season roster changes lol

u literally want mid season roster change. say it. u don't even have sen flair. f with ur own loud, we aint taking ur shit opinion.

Didn't ask don't care
Allat

Tkdan [#30]

Have you ever wondered if SEN performs actually better without Pancada during practice? We'll never know for sure, but it seems evident that the current five players are more cohesive than past roster iterations.

It's not just about scrim scores, team chemistry matters, and it appears Pancada didn't mesh well with the rest of the team. There's no guarantee he would do better as a controller, it's not about mechanics or comms but rather his compatibility with the others.

I love the dude, but Pancada was fucked since when he signed with an org lacking direction. Sykko led them into a trap when they pushed Dephh as IGL, and Sacy and Pancada paid the price due to his incompetence in constructing a functional roster.

Most reasonable LOUD fan ever holy shit

It would be SICK if we all met and argued irl HAHAHAHA

TenZ is the faker of valorant. Noone says "this guys demon1" "thats aspas" "yo this might be yay" when theres an immortal smurf in their plat lobbies. they say "is that tenz?" now when theres a boosted bronze in their lobby, they say "wait.. is that asuna?"

bait used to be believable 🤣🤣🤣 imagine wanting to change SENs roster after the performance showed at the afreecatv tournament

happiness_ [#80]

aint no way did you just compare SEN's Bind to EG's Fracture lmfao. EG beat teams like LOUD and FNC on Fracture, while SEN beat teams like 100T and a water downed PRX. Be fr bro. "SEN's Bind is the best in the world" when FNC still exists, absolute insanity of a claim

That prx defeat means a lot. A watered down prx is still better than 80% of the vct scene and don't forget fnatic got 12-1 by drx on Bind and drx copied the sen comp(said in a press conference) the same drx that lost to the watered down prx

It's so funny watching the OP's replies to the arguments. Because when he get's proven wrong he just gaslights people or just insult them. What makes this so scary is that this dude actually believes in this and is very much not a bait considering how much he replied. In the end, Sentinels just works with Tenz and they're winning all of their matches, so if it aint broke then don't fix it.

t0nz

tenz is goat pancada sucks he doesnt even give comms should learn from sacy how to adjust in team

I'm not even a Sen fan but let's not be delusional.
Results do speak. Let's not kid around we all saw how TenZ did in afreecatv

SilentCypher [#104]

I'm not even a Sen fan but let's not be delusional.
Results do speak. Let's not kid around we all saw how TenZ did in afreecatv

yeah for some reason OP is just in denial. Both scenarios can be true. SEN can still be good with or without Pancada.

Pancada being benched is a psychological case study of DENIAL

Yo bro, I think you were right 😂😂

Tristen11 [#107]

Yo bro, I think you were right 😂😂

yeah tenz is washed player, should definitely replace him after that nrg game 😂

happiness_ L's getting too common

Pooh [#109]

happiness_ L's getting too common

happiness on fraudwatch rn

aged like milk.

Refrainings [#110]

happiness on fraudwatch rn

bro's experiencing the downfall

shubham932002 [#103]

tenz is goat pancada sucks he doesnt even give comms should learn from sacy how to adjust in team

botssi 🗿

🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye
🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye
🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye
🤫🧏‍♂️ bye bye

Holy fuck ur stupid 🤣

happiness_ [#16]

oh there's going to be changes this season anyways dont get it twisted, but one things for certain though is that TenZ will 100% still be starting

They just beat The supposed super team nrg and are now going to masters I doubt they make
Any changes this year and also tenz was just match mvp and outperform demon1 but your acting like he’s just a content creator

yeah I agree 😂

Man will cry at the corner bcos his goat did not play and they are still winning

🤫🧏‍♂️

Oh this rly aged badly. Wonder how you feel now after writing a complete book about why TenZ shoud leave.

you are all fucking stupid its happiness u fell for it

God this must be sideshow form the shitcast. SEN faithful we up💪🏽

This aged well 😂

Aged like fken milk

happiness_ [#2]

if you read this and call it bait then there's no hope for you. TenZ isn't some omnipotent content god lol.

replace the nrg roster theres no hope bozo

Where u at moron?Semen1 needs to go

tenz plays better smokes than demon1

Brother u probably feel really stupid rn ngl…

Pengu12 [#121]

you are all fucking stupid its happiness u fell for it

there are people out there that are aware of the fact that he's baiting and know about the fact that he changes flags and flairs and yet they still fall for it, i think this form of bait is just invisible or smth

this aged well

Pengu12 [#121]

you are all fucking stupid its happiness u fell for it

Is he really taking the time to write a complete book, one that 90% of people here (as me) didn't read more than 20 seconds just for a bait?

And I am the stupid one...

sadness_

tenz's fame + clout + their performance rn = peak sen