TenZ ain't top 5 in NA

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Just FaZe alone has dicey and Babybay who owned him this year.

Bdog has basically owned him and Sentinels every map they played so how can people still put him Top 5 in NA?

Top 5 Based on Current Performance:

yay
Marved
Cryo
Dicey
Bdog

Honourable mentions: Zekken, babybay, Jawgemo

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wheres bang and asuna in honourable mentions

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They are not better than any of those guys above.

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asuna >>> zekken,babybay,jawgemo

pls stop being dumb on purpose.

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pls dont say asuna (fraud) is better than zekken (god)

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no

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Bang is the best player on 100T by far

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ASUNA> zekken any version honestly

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He played a few good rounds and he is better than babybay looool

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Bro 3 aces 72 kills what more you expect , that to be on support agents

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Babybay was entrying and fragging as well. It was his off day and he still popped up.

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if you think asuna is better than zekken or jawgemo ur an idiot

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Bro is a stat person 😂

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S...S....S-STATS?

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who said he is top 5 ?

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You must be new here

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my guy, people said he was top 5 like half a year ago... clearly, he hasn't shown much performance this stage or prev stage
You sound like you discovered such a crazy fact

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Shownu

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A lot of people still believe he is a top 5 player regardless of whether or not he is playing.

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still a minority of people

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Rn he isn't but I could definitely see him thrive in a good roster

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hes not top 20 proplay
but hes top 1 streamer, i mean. we hecking love tenz!

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If you're talking about the stats ofcourse Sen are no way near to whatever teams you've mentioned but based on individual skill he still is a demon and has great potential in a team/lineup that favors his play style. Nobody thought Yay was top 5 when he was in ABX just saying, you can tell that about everyone in your list.

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no team suits his shitty playstyle. And if they are willing to change in order to fit him in they become dogshit, because he is just bad for any team. He took the number 1 team in the world and look where they are now.

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He isn't trash, just because he isn't dominant doesn't make him trash stop being so bi-polar about your views on players, people like you are why players look at the community badly. THINK!

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literally if he can only play solo and doesnt fit with any team means that hes fucking trash, try to refute me dumbass, braindead people like you should not get any right to speak up.

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Nice try to stay relevant 👍

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victor?

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babe wake up new TenZ thread

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give me 1 thread that said Tenz is current top 5 in NA.

no one said that.

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he is not even top 10,wtf are you talking about

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Almost all of your threads are hating on sen and tenz lmao get a life

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still salty about iceland LOL

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thats like saying yay isnt top 5 when he was on abx because his team was dogshit lmfaoo, you cant realize how good a player somebody is until they play with a really structured team, look at alfajer or yay (previously mentioned) or sayaplayer none of them were top 5 in their old roster but when they got into an actual team with good structure and a team that could play around them all of a sudden they are top 5

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alfajer is an exception cause he was mowing down everyone in tier 2 and could be said to be top 10 material but the competition was just not at the same level. It was only confirmed once he started going crazy in tier 1 that you would be able to say that abt him tho so that part is true.

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that is not an exception my guy

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u could say the same about tenz, obviously he isnt playing that well but he is still putting up crazy numbers for a team that went 0-5 in group stage and a team which has barely any structure. He won them a map againt LG without any kind of help from his tmmates and sure alfajer was mowing down people but he has gotten considerably better after he joined fnatic

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ABX yay was never the level at he is right now, so false again. With ABX yay was ACTUALLY playing different roles, and not just jett one trick like tenz (btw an OP jett before her nerfs).

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if someone said tenz is top 5 atm, its either the last time they watched pro scene was master iceland 2021 or they are tenz diehard fans, or they are tenz haters

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i think you guys are really underestimating Perc30FishFillet

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I mean yeah ofc he isnt playing better than all these players from teams who are actually winning games and beating SEN. thats just simple logic. Even if he had like better stats than all them in the past 60 days or whatever it would still be irrelevant since they didnt even make playoffs. He isnt even eligible to be a part of the "best player" conversation until SEN start winning some games.

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stats wise Jawgemo is way better thna an honorable mention, mechanically speaking i think he's the best Entry in NA, absolutely unreal aimer and his AWP skills are up there with the best when he picks it up, trust me when i say that we will hear Jawgemo's name for a long time

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Can someone explain and drop some match stats for Cryo, why is he top 5?

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highest rated player in Xset since he joined them.
Dropped 324 ACS vs 100T to send them to Lower Bracket
252 ACs at Challengers S1
Probably one of the strongest eye test in NA
Probably the 2nd best Operator player in NA behind only yay
Amazing system player for XSET who are a consistent top team.

But tbf i think he should be 5th with Jawgemo 3rd and Dicey 4th but just my opinion

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but hes not been doing great recently. His best match so far has been in the playoffs and before that hes been quite flat compared to last stage

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I actually think he played well this stage, people probably expected him to completely destroy the competition like in Stage 1 but apart form the TSM and Ghost games I think he performed well, especially considering he was getting targeted hard by basically anyone facing XSET(Just look at how much utility ghost was dumping on his usual angles to clear him), the playoffs game was basically him being allowed to play like in Stage 1 by 100T and completely taking over the game, which is why I think he one of the best in NA, you either focus him really hard(and lose to Zekken) or he just takes over and solo wins the game

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thats just copium. He was playing pretty poorly in group stage. He was like whiffing uncharacteristically and had some underwhelming moments. He is looking like he's back in form from the game against 100T but we'll have to see.

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Eye test???? I am gonna be the guy and say best Operator player after Yay is Wardell but yeah rest all good, don't know if enough to make him top5, definitely if they qual for Masters

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Eye test meaning how impressive someone looks when you actually see them play(flicks, gamesense, raw aim), I dont rate wardell cause he did nothing in the last year to convince me he's a tier 1 player, sorry

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no one has ever said that

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TenZ still in your head rent free though, top 5 in my book solely because his existence tilts you off the face of the earth.

Stay mad + TenZ clears EMEA b0ts

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He needs to clear qualifiers first

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"he" more like the entire Sentinels team. Individually Tenz is still a demon comparable to the top players you've mentioned

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Individually he is a Jett onetrick and offers no impact on any map not Breeze.

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He can literally play any duelist lmao. Shahz already said that they want him on jett because of how "deadly" he is, but that's outdated. You're blaming him on something he doesn't control. Get a grip

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"He can literally play any duelist"
https://www.vlr.gg/player/9/tenz/?timespan=60d
This are some juicy duelists stats, aren't them?
Oh, and come out with the "TaKe LiFeTiMe StAtS" bullshit, since past performance doesn't count shit if he's trash now
Edit: If you take 30 days stats and not 60d, he has shit stats even on jett

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didn't he go 2/15 or something last games?

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Yes

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it's madness someone defending him after that shameful performance

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Like you haven't bot fragged in your life lmao. you're telling me you're always getting 20+ kills per game?

continue thread →

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What's wrong with the stats?
Yay has an ADR of 166, KPR of 0.92, and KAST of 73%
Marved has an ADR of 150, KPR of 0.83 and a KAST of 75%
Cryo has an ADR of 142, KPR of 0.84 and a KAST of 73%
I can list you more if you want.
Let's look at what you've shown me alright,
Tenz has ADR of 169, KPR of 0.93 and KAST of 75%. You've literally contradicted yourself. Say anything about Sen, but individually tenz is still up there. One bad performance doesn't mean he's shit.

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One bad performance?
https://www.vlr.gg/99695/evil-geniuses-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-w2
https://www.vlr.gg/99720/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-w5
2 out of 4 games he did so fucking bad and another one he had only 1 good map

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the cloud9 game is the sole reason why people are gaslighting on him, I agree that the eg game wasn't good either but it isn't the worst? You've shown me just the group stage, when you wanted to talk about stats from up to 60 days ago. 60 days date back all the way to qualifiers 1, and even in games that he lost he still did substantially better.
https://www.vlr.gg/94354/sentinels-vs-luminosity-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr5
https://www.vlr.gg/94326/sentinels-vs-faze-clan-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-ubqf

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The same one trick that picked raze reyna jett in a final against your team and shit on em

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Here's the thing. You're looking at player stats individually, which by itself is flawed. TenZ is still amongst the top players in the world INDIVIDUALLY. But I can tell you there are countless nameless players out there that can perform better than these top players you've mentioned individually. But individual plays don't account for anything in pro play, it's the team that brings you to the top. The only reason you're able to name these players "top" is because they've made a name for themselves in the valorant scene while some others are unable to. This thread in general is literally just flawed against TenZ lmao

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My main issue with Tenz is I haven't seen him enough or at all really on Chamber and his his very inconsistent Raze.

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True. I wouldn't say his raze is that inconsistent, but I get what you mean. He did want to play Chamber and the team did agree but I guess they can't get the map he wants. Right now we just have to hope

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Mf ain't top 15 let alone top 5

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yeah hes top 1. get it right bud

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even the old man NiSMO is better duelist than tenz

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actually the top 5 goes like this

Babybay/Dicey
Babybay/Dicey
Flyuh
Supamen
POISED
honorable mentions: Poach, Corey, Marved

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fr fr fr big d with the icey

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i would say giant d even

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I am sad that players from teams like c9 and the guard go under the radar because they didn't qual. I'm not saying they are better but they definitely have some top 10 players

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saya and leaf are easily in the top 10 NA players

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Man, I really hope those teams can get back in shape.

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VLR shitheads really compare a major Mvp with the highest ACS ever achieved in a major
with people who haven't achieved even a tiny bit of his success🤣

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just another Lnatic fan shit take, dw about it brother

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Iceland is not majors, its just a Blast tournament

#72

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wrong !
-major x 2 a year (in the past 2014 & 2015 even up to 3x a year )
-master x2 a year

-Majors, are tournaments sponsored by Valve
-Master, are tournaments sponsored by Riot

-both major and master have 3 stages

-early (2012-2015 )major Prize pool =$250,000 USD -1st =100k
-master Prize pool = $675,000 USD-1st=200k

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Champions is the ultimate competition hence why LCQ is held which is like a last RMR tourney

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sure let's just ignore the similarity and facts about master and major

at least until fnatic has won a master as well, from then on it is accepted that master and major are the same right ?😂

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Masters are the majors of Valorant. Champions is the highest as it is once per year near the end. So it's still a major regardless

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No. Champions is the only major

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but it's not... champions doesn't have multiple times a year. Meanwhile Major does. Masters is the major therefore yay, tenz, nats, cned are major winners

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Are you stupid or what. Masters are literally the main qualifiers for champions, how can a major be a qualifier for something?

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are you stupid or what? major happens multiple times a year meanwhile Masters does the same. therefore it's a major. Tenz is a major winner

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You have to be fucking retarded. Champions is literslly the only major kf the year since everything else is a qualifier for it. Only Acend ever won a major

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Champions is the same thing as world cup in comparison to other Soccer big tournaments. Majors happens quite often a year and Masters does the same. Therefore Masters is a major.

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Ok you're luterally fucking retarded, you are using your own logic against what riot literally made. Just make a search on google you fucking idiot. Masters is just an international event, champions is the worlds championships which makes it the only major of the year

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Lmao Masters are majors-like while champions is like major on steriods

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TENZEDZOMBIE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD LOOK AT THE STATS HE IS BETTER THAN MWZERA AND ASPAS WITHOUT A DOUBT IN ANYONES MIND AND HE IS DEFINITELY TOP 5 NA TENZEDZOMBIE IS THE BEST ENTRY FRAGGER HE HAS NEVER DROPPED BELOW 20 KILLS ON ANY MAP AND HE ALWAYS OUTFRAGS THE SKYE DOG

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He is top 5 on sentinels

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Tenz will join 100T, watch.

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no one said he is tho

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FALSE

STATS

TWITCH FOLLOWERS
aspas - https://www.twitch.tv/aspaszin (276k followers)
Derke - https://www.twitch.tv/derke (51k followers)
TenZ - https://www.twitch.tv/tenz (2.8 MILLION followers)

TWITTER FOLLOWERS
aspas - https://twitter.com/loud_aspas (136.7k followers)
Derke - https://twitter.com/derkeps (78k followers)
TenZ - https://twitter.com/TenZOfficial (1M followers)

can you take a moment to appreciate how clouted TenZ is? he has so many damn fans because he's just SOOOOO good at the game!

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is if they're the best on ONE main agent! This will prove that TenZ plays jett since he's simply the best jett in the world!

heat? nt (not tenz)
aspas? nt (not tenz)
xand? nt (not tenz)
yay? nt (not tenz)
cned? nt (not tenz)
scream? nt (not tenz)
d3ffo? nt (not tenz)
derke? nt (not tenz)

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta, TenZ will unleash his chamber on the rest of the world.
He is not killing 40+ per map because Ratzam tells TenZ that he can't change his mouse or sens during the game which really messes up flow... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you, but SEN all try to make individual plays which prevents TenZ from DOMINATING.

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STATS

TWITCH FOLLOWERS
aspas - https://www.twitch.tv/aspaszin (276k followers)
Derke - https://www.twitch.tv/derke (51k followers)
TenZ - https://www.twitch.tv/tenz (2.8 MILLION followers)

TWITTER FOLLOWERS
aspas - https://twitter.com/loud_aspas (136.7k followers)
Derke - https://twitter.com/derkeps (78k followers)
TenZ - https://twitter.com/TenZOfficial (1M followers)

can you take a moment to appreciate how clouted TenZ is? he has so many damn fans because he's just SOOOOO good at the game!

I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is if they're the best on ONE main agent! This will prove that TenZ plays jett since he's simply the best jett in the world!

heat? nt (not tenz)
aspas? nt (not tenz)
xand? nt (not tenz)
yay? nt (not tenz)
cned? nt (not tenz)
scream? nt (not tenz)
d3ffo? nt (not tenz)
derke? nt (not tenz)

Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta, TenZ will unleash his chamber on the rest of the world.
He is not killing 40+ per map because Ratzam tells TenZ that he can't change his mouse or sens during the game which really messes up flow... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you, but SEN all try to make individual plays which prevents TenZ from DOMINATING

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why there is even discussion? all na players trash in general..

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KyLZi

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nice one bro! really clever man

#98

100TBoeJiden

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yay
Sinatraa
Cryo
Vanity
Jawgemo
Zombs

thats top 6 and it’s not even close

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f55

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i heckin love tenz

#102

yaiima0

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Ur Tenz hate boner never goes away huh 🤔

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TenZ is top 5 on Sentinels.

5th out of 5