Mako, S0m, Karon, Marved, Boaster, Valyn are all in that conversation.

bad tourneys happen to all teams, as others said it just kinda happens and theres diff factors that play in every time a team underperforms

about damn time

they all were pretty mid, I typoed on my original post and didn't realize it, meant to put 100T instead of furia. All 3 were same record regular season with horrible round diffs. did shit in any playoffs that they made. My point basically was outside of the last like 2 teams they played in Lock In the rest were mid or mediocre. A win is still a win and FNC was a top 3 if not best team that year. Akin to Gambit 2021 levels of dominance.

Really been around long enough to see people debate it because they weren't there holy.

FNC 2023 was pretty damn good, if not consistently the "best" team in franchising that whole year and can be argued for one of the best teams of all time. But rest of EMEA was pretty mediocre outside of them and NAVI. They only got an extra champs slot from LCQ because of FNC just for all of EMEA to get stomped in Champs. FUT only beat a very underwhelming T1 at champs and it was close both times with plenty of 50/50 rounds.

Lock In is a debateable win even if most of the teams they beat were legit outside of 100T. Sentinels and Furia were hot and cold. NAVI was good enough to make internationals but could not win shit for the life of them. Format just was leading to a ton of chaos and much of the results outside of maybe the top like 6 teams really didn't mean anything, just a nature of the beast there though.

They pretty much shaped the way Lotus was played the entire year, if not even to this day. Tokyo was the most dominant tourney since the first Reykjavik. EG was a very late riser in the year and surprised literally everybody. LOUD having their number made sense because LOUD 22-23 was also really damn good.

took LEV 2 years to beat NRG again crazy

Yeah 2021 until they picked up Hazed. Eeiu and Tex were around for a long time with that team too. Shanks, Wedid, Android all back in the day too

valid, Optic was my 3rd fav team behind NRG and TGRD so I already fw them and the merger was pretty sick at the time

that is true, but s0m literally had been with the team since its inception practically, real ones remember when he was IGL before Hazed

never heard of TrembolonaRage, Yessirski, Dort? holy newgen

been a fan and kept the flair since 2021, 2022 when i joined the site. There used to be like maybe 10 of us. Now I have no idea but I know 2023 saw alot of influx but that was probably most fanbases because of franchising.

bro finally getting to tier1 after being around almost as long as xeppaa. I remember watching this guy on BBG a few years back

wdym he's the successor of the greatest IGL in history, Jamalesh "Hazed" Cobbanath

thats just a skill issue

maybe top 15 all time but its a hard list

Lived long enough to see babyj get defended. So many of y'all were not around or watching when he was on 100T bruh.

o7

Serpent - Downswing | Honestly anything off this record is a banger

Death Can't Save You - Slackjaw

dayseeker mentioned on vlr hell yeah. Need more metal fans in here

+m80 -m80 from NA Challengers is the equivalent of C9 +vanity -vanity

Hell yeah MU is a solid t2 team and I was a big fan of the DZ core for a long time, so them partnering with NRG is sick

The fact that its true is insane but then again nowadays I hardly see anyone whos been around pre 2024

10th - 12th incoming

jake sin is a clown

hate to see it for the OCE scene

Probably not much a difference, maybe middle of pack like some others said but I'd say alot of tier2 teams also construct rosters differently. Some are talent developers, some are collegiate, some are academy, etc.

yeah im wondering the same thing, bros good enough for t1 and especially t2

Mith maybe?

root for penny then

Stayed NRG since 2021, not gonna change

Hopefully Autumn starts, we need more Oceania players in VCT and he was good on FPX

Sscary get ready to learn chinese buddy.

5th 6th movements

maybe the 2020 all stars

TSM gMd will be announced for challengers stage 1 soon

sen downfall incoming

stupid move

its basically canadian starbucks or dunkin donuts

theres alot in michigan and other states that border canada like ohio and new york.

source: i literally live here theres a timmys outside of my neighborhood

gonna be the first one scapegoated off the team as long as JessieVash is still there. Nepotism moment

AG Zellsis incoming

Time to learn chinese buddy

other than Supamen he was EGs best player this season. Sadly an all too common EG L, hope bro finds a new t1 team

Slightly concerned with the loss of s0m but I think we'll be okay

Another common EG L

is he not staying with EG?

the 2 under 18 will have to until they turn 18 per vct rules

mcdongles if those are your only options

Nongshim welcome back

so whos the starting 5 on this, but vitality "superteam" 2 years in a row time will tell if theyre actually better than 4th place

Indian scene may have the population but the quality of team and depth of the scene is far larger in those countries.

Can't lie though grouping HK/TW, MY/SG, India, Oceania and Mongolia is kind of an L