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Been watching since the start, and its easily the 2020-21 era. Alot of teams still didn't know the game super well and it was very random in terms of teams that made it outside of a small handful which were miles ahead of others. 2022 Was when we started to see stability and a good amount of teams in the open circuit era understanding, as well as some amazing Masters events like Reykjavik and Copenhagen that to this day hold up as some of the better ones.

So I wouldn't consider anything in '22 as a plumber era as the majority of players, orgs, coaches, etc. from that era are still very active in Tier 1 valo, the same cannot be said about 2021.

nerfing his smokes will literally make it the astra meta again, that buff was the best thing that happened to the controller class, that shit used to take ages and was very annoying at times. I'm guessing you didn't play during that time if you think thats a good idea.

Omen don't need a nerf, most maps are 50/50 with Omen v Astra and thats ultimately a pro team preference call. Just buff Harbor and Brim to be competitive beyond Bind

Omen doesn't need another nerf, just buff Brim and Harbor. And the map pool ultimately comes down to Omen v Astra by mainly preference as Astra getting any further buffs would probably put us back to 2021/22 Astra meta.

Thats a map pool/preference thing ultimately.

Meteor i can definitely see being on there over him, he would be my #6

https://www.vlr.gg/508515/alfajer-or-less
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Recency bias goes crazy. Both are close but if we're talking strictly in terms of sentinel play, its Less. He's also diff'd Alfa almost everytime theyve played

1. Nats
2. Less
3. Alfajer
4. Chichoo
5. Leaf

Less but not by much, both are insane players with really similar accomplishments but Less has done more and also diff'd Alfa almost everytime they've played eachother.

Less is more of a senti-viper player (like nats) whereas Alfa is a flex, we've seen him be duelist/senti. So theyre not exact 1:1 players that can be compared

they deserve it, been to nearly every LAN and never got it until today

memea moment

wtf was that

they'll downvote the truth

Idk are they? I havent been keeping up with points

Nah I'll agree with that atleast.

You're clearly misunderstanding what I was saying bruh.

FNC has been the only consistently good team to come out of Europe since 2023, TH are chokers. Liquid ever since theyve been in valo have been lucky to even make international playoffs. VIT Imploded.

EMEA and CN have been equally below AMER/APAC for most of 24-25 excluding FNC/EDG as a whole, despite fielding 2 of the top 5 teams ITW in that period.

Honestly up to this point yeah, although he's never quite been the best on his team at any point. But he's still been consistently the 2nd/3rd best player so its the only knock against him but when you look at it from purely trophy wins, yes.

Recency bias always goes crazy on this platform

G2
SEN
MIBR
NRG

FNC
TL
BBL
KC

EDG
BLG
WOL
XLG/FPX

PRX
GENG
T1
DRX

Champs 2023, Madrid 2024 ring a bell to you?

0/8 bait

FNC wasnt the worst, but EMEA as a region BESIDES them has been on par with China excluding EDG

recency bias goes crazy

EU frogs been waiting for like over a year to talk their shit like they havent been the worst region since 2023 Tokyo, and even then it was just FNC.

APAC has trophies now and theyre arguably the best around region.

Bad tournaments/games happen Champs will be different.

FNC beats WOL barring a major upset

PRX beats FNC

its not, BR was always its own region.

Why LATAM is catching strays here is beyond me

APAC > AMER > EMEA >= CH

Thats fair, personally I've always liked PRX despite being an NRG/Optic/TGRD/G2 fan and PRX having been rivals with them. I'd honestly root for them over FNC. or Honestly Wolves because who cares if TMV is happy or not? That shouldnt stop you from liking a team

one team region talking

Regions as a whole its definitely
APAC > AMER > CH > EMEA

APAC and Americas are very top heavy with realistically 3-5/12 teams being international contenders, where China has 1 superteam and 3-4 really solid teams that flip flop on who makes it to internationals that dont have enough experience yet to be serious contenders (beyond WOL cinderella run which is basically Zeta 2022 Reykjavik over again)

EMEA has FNC which would be a top 3 in any region and then like 5-6 middle of pack teams with some major shitters near the bottom

Real shit.

Why do you dislike PRX/FNC?

nah, one bad tournament and the eu frogs gonna overreact as they always do, they been dying to say Nearest Airport for a long time.

ecos and maps were in fnc's favor, also they had Jawgs number the whole match

one tournament and eu frogs gotta get their copium out. Congrats. But the moment anyone clowns EU you're all so angry its hilarious

one tournament don't mean shit but okay, gotta let the eu frogs have their moment

Oh but when people say fuck EMEA all the euro frogs start malding.

Nah, off game. FNC had his number

G2 3-1 WOL

its not even EMEA its just FNC glaze

pansy bias glaze for FNC has been known forever. She's the most biased caster in all of vct. Lowkey annoying at times

gigabanger match

if FNS didn't have parkinsons maybe, but his fragging was never his strong suit as opposed to his calling

def one of the best fragging IGLs we've seen in valo

time will tell, i rlly dnc who wins between those 2

Every match coming up is about to be a gigabanger

SEN historically has been good against FNC

Like Galactc said earlier, I don't think roles matter for IGLs as much, as many of them also tend to be pseudo flexes. But playing anything other than Duelist as an IGL is probably the way to go. It also comes down to the strength of roles within the team as rarely is the IGL the fragger

Idiots can't comprehend rooting for multiple teams or even when their team is bad

I was actually pretty happy to see Crashies doing well over on FNC even after his last down year in NRG. Honestly he's been back to his 2022/3 form