You know M80 chose to stay together, right? Every player from the roster had Tier 1 offers but didn't want to break up. No NA team would pick up their core as Liquid did with APEKS. The only team that would be able to is EG, but they get paid more on M80.

To be fair, M80 looked more consistent last year but failed to show up in the final series. I have no idea how they'll look next year if they ascend, but I think this team is going to stick together unless something crazy happens.

No one from M80 is leaving. People did this last year as well.

Where did you hear this?

Based on what?

This is why I always liked watching the open qualifiers matches with no casters and just gameplay it was so peaceful

He wasn't great last season either outside of a few matches

Is that seriously his new Ign or is it troll? LOL

Because Valorant, when he dominated, is nothing like it is now. Look at the rosters from when he won in 2021; barely any of those players are in the league.

Oderus looks great

SEN Shahzam

anyone know his crosshair?

I think it would work, but I doubt he leaves M80 for this C9 roster; I think the more likely situation is Vanity back to smokes, and they bring in Aproto/Moose to play Sentinel (based on rumors)

Your replies to me so far have added nothing to the conversation, so I will start ignoring you. Not even sure what you're trying to say at this point just yapping.

I like this. Part of me wants s0m to stay on Smokes because he looked great, but I trust him to look good on Flex if he's playing alongside FNS.

Literally this. If there weren't better options out there in T2, I'd be fine with keeping him, but there are.

Because he's average, and there are better players than him in T2 waiting for a chance. The entire roster needs to go outside of OXY, but he is the obvious weak link + we know Vanity/Immi have roster control, so we won't see either of them dropped. Also, jakee has no ties to the rest of the roster outside of Xeppaa, and Vanity seems to value comfortability over performance.

Yep, was Wippie the main issue? Absolutely not, but he was part of a bigger issue within C9, which is signing people based on comfortability instead of performance, and for some reason, he was chosen as the scapegoat despite performing well at times in a horrible environment. I think in a better situation he'd be valued more and might be able to develop like you described.

I never said he was the main issue, but he's part of the bigger issue. I think it was quite obvious if they were to scapegoat anyone, it would be him, and it was. No one on C9 outside of OXY has crazy potential. They need a complete reset with fresh players instead of this recycled nepo bs. I'd love for them to go the Karmine Corp route next year and build up young players.

babyj says that all time time bc his ego is huge and he's braindaed

Wasn't the solution either.

If the players they are dropping aren't good and T2 players are getting the chance it's good imo. If C9 picks up another Nepo member, then I agree, it's stupid.

That doesn't work when the players are just ass lmao

surely bro is next?

Rizz

also TenZ just said on stream he hates playing Ascent because the map is so static on smokes and he likes moving around more and feeling involved. So maybe they just don't have great chemistry on the map despite it looking good on paper role-wise?

Ascent is also Heretics insta ban so I don't think you'll need to worry at least in the first series.

Making this statement after 1 half where his team is winning LMAO

They have played it 8 times already, they chose maps they have the most footage on.

excited to see him back on jett

Not really

Do you have a job?

he didn't say it but he heavily implied it around a year ago, i dont have a clip but i can vouch he implied it.

That's so much worse hahahaha

He just needs to perform at Masters/Champs and he'll hit that superstar status

fucking pathetic

WHAT THE FUCK?

ENGH goat

He has to smoke bomb there

Oh man...

Barely look at his youtube numbers

lol where is Shahz now?

please stop doing replays mid round 😭

100T fans hate winning

Can we admit he is a front-runner now? The guy is always dancing, talking shit when winning, but when losing, he sits there, cries, and looks like he's about to shit his pants.

I can respect the delusion

Why would he downgrade

He's a Gemini. They are known for being moody and are REALLY bad at hiding it.

I agree. I watched SAW/APEKS last year, but I didn't pay attention outside of those teams. I think many players will make names for themselves in NA Challengers. I pray next year, teams like C9 dump everyone and let a coach cook like ENGH did. I want all these washed players out of Tier 1. Too much talent in T2 NA to have frauds in franchising. I wonder if we'll ever see an org like MIBR/FURIA have a fully NA team if they continue losing.

It starts in the middle of Madrid, but after the break from Madrid, all eyes will be on the Challengers. I'm excited!