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WHO IS THE GOAT OF ESPORTS
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ciro [#15]not talking about streaming
For me, he is Goat of Esports.He was my favourite since his C9 days.I started playing CSGO,H1Z1,Pubg because of him.
BBL_Wtcn [#28]If you are talking popularity S1mple but achievements Faker really depends on how you view it
shouldnt faker be top in achievements and popularity since LOL is the biggest esport in the world?
Cresp [#33]shouldnt faker be top in achievements and popularity since LOL is the biggest esport in the world?
No S1mple is more popular even if you have played any fps you would know who is which is already a plus if you base it off only twitter followers S1mple has more even though his primary audience is Russian and a lot of them don’t use twitter
BBL_Wtcn [#34]No S1mple is more popular even if you have played any fps you would know who is which is already a plus if you base it off only twitter followers S1mple has more even though his primary audience is Russian and a lot of them don’t use twitter
oh hurd
Cresp [#33]shouldnt faker be top in achievements and popularity since LOL is the biggest esport in the world?
faker has 4m followers on twitch and he streams once a month faker doesn't use twitter like s1mple does faker has 500k on twitter and he tweets like once a year s1mple has 3.1m followers on twitch and faker has been at the top of league for 10 years
BBL_Wtcn [#28]If you are talking popularity S1mple but achievements Faker really depends on how you view it
What u talking about? Faker is by far more popular. Its not even close
DELUSIONAL_SCOURGE_FAN [#47]he fell off hard
nah he won the last 3 fncs in a row thats like winning 3 masters
zzzzzzzzz [#48]nah he won the last 3 fncs in a row thats like winning 3 masters
i meant in popularity
kristof [#50]never heard of faker
obv s1mple by far
csgo is way harder than lol
LoL >>>>>>>>> CSGO in viewership. Faker is the s1mple of League and has been the goat for a much longer time.
Depends on what games you play if you play fps its s1mple, if you play fortine(L) its ninja or buga, if you play league its prolly faker if we are speaking of all time, but in recent memory you have people like showmaker, chovy, uzi, rookie, theshy, and even the up and coming t1 bot lane guma and keria
D3KU [#27]S1MPLE Major Won: 1
Faker Major Won: 0
You got your answer
damn bro its not like faker has won 10 lck(domestic titles) 2 msi titles(masters) and 3 worlds(champions)
arecyc [#9]yay because he had to do it coming from a third world country (america)
lmao dont u pronouce water woota
Zaynio [#54]LoL >>>>>>>>> CSGO in viewership. Faker is the s1mple of League and has been the goat for a much longer time.
who cares about viewership?
lol is easy and its easy to stay on top
s1mple >>>>>>>>> faker
csgo >>>>>>>>>> lol
GLN321 [#58]idk but it's definitely between s1mple faker and wardell
I love roza and he won't even make it to top 10 goat of esp but wardell dude omg what crack r u on
jeet24 [#19]For me, he is Goat of Esports.He was my favourite since his C9 days.I started playing CSGO,H1Z1,Pubg because of him.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SHROUD GOAT?? AHAHAHAHAH ALL HE DID WAS WIN 1 TOURNAMENT IN CS, THAT'S IT! AND HE WASN'T EVEN MVP AXAXAXAXAXAX
TheArcticArcher [#61]lmao dont u pronouce water woota
ngl woota doesn't sound like what uk people talk like. War-ah (water) is more like it. Boh-all(bottle) is another.
ngl I'm wondering why si1mple is referenced as the goat of esports, when he holds nothing against faker. Not taking away from what s1mple has done, but comparing him to faker who has been at the top for nearly a decade, is kinda meh. I'd even say dev1ce is a better option to compare, given achievements, as s1mple only recently won his first major title. Individually, s1mple is the goat of cs. Probably the best the game has had. Overall in esports, he isn't a top2 contender. I'd say it's between Faker, and Flash(SC2), or even Daigo(SF games and fighting games)
kristof [#50]never heard of faker
obv s1mple by far
csgo is way harder than lol
hahahahahahahahahaha
TheArcticArcher [#60]damn bro its not like faker has won 10 lck(domestic titles) 2 msi titles(masters) and 3 worlds(champions)
but he hasn't won any majors....
so he's bad, not even one Blast Premiere title, i mean kinda shitty
STATS
mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
DEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rate
RANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)
can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game
I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.
heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with raze
Thats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)
kristof [#62]who cares about viewership?
lol is easy and its easy to stay on top
s1mple >>>>>>>>> faker
csgo >>>>>>>>>> lol
Kekw, China LoL > everything about CSGO
GLN321 [#58]idk but it's definitely between s1mple faker and wardell
bro tried to sneak in wardell 💀
Carthage_Er_Pola [#77]STATS
mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=allDEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rateRANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game
I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with razeThats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)
I ain't reading all that
I'm happy for u tho...
Or sorry that happened
The guy that did the parry comeback on Street Fighter with a single pixel of health.
Edit: His name is Daigo and the link to the clip is down below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzS96auqau0
no_noise_979 [#11]Faker
Been doing it for longer than s1mple and League of Legends is more of a global game and esport than CS:GO
CS - has more than 20k pros , double than number of LOL pros
esports has not seen player more of a natural talent player than zywOo . He joins his first pro team and wins best player of year twice , even reaching finals with all 4 of his team members negative playing the most selfless star role with creating space and entries for his team .
I know s1 fans will compare entry ratings with zywoo not considering the fact s1 mostly goes for picks and not selfless entries like zywoo/niko(creating space) , also half of s1 opening KDA comes from awp picks while zywoo gives his awp to nivera . In comparison when s1 gave his awp to guardian navi was not successful at all although s1's rating was still top tier.
Now , with navi on top he has more talent in his team than prime astralis . s1 fans only love s1 for his flashy playstyle and personality like ronaldo and ignore the inhuman natural talent of zywOo like messi.
Carthage_Er_Pola [#77]STATS
mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=allDEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rateRANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game
I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with razeThats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)
Nice. Thanks for giving an actual good post. Those stats are absolutely insane
tronunz [#95].
we are talking about what game is more difficult , obviously when its more tough to compete against 20k pros
Carthage_Er_Pola [#77]STATS
mwzera https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/VK%20mwzera%234324/overview?playlist=competitive&season=all
cNed https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/ACE%20cNed%23carry/overview?season=all
TenZ https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/SEN%20TenZ%230505/overview?playlist=competitive&season=allDEATHMATCH STATS
mwzera - 86% win rate (thats the insaniest thing ive seen in a while)
cNed - stats not availiable
TenZ - 73% win rateRANKED STATS
mwzera - 66.3% winrate (MVP of 95% of the matches) proof here https://imgur.com/StiJmpg
cNed - 53.5% winrate (MVP of 13% of the matches)
TenZ - 60.4% winrate (MVP of 15% of the matches)can you take your time to appreciate how insane mwzera is? without a doubt the most talented player to ever touch the game
I'll try to explain briefly why I think he is the best player in the world
Despite his insane aim and movement
The best way to know if a player is a good duelist is RAZE. There is a BIG difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser
If he is a good duelist, he needs to be good with raze.heat? not good with raze
aspas? not good with raze
xand? not good with raze
tenz? not good with raze
cned? not good with raze
scream? not good with raze
d3ffo? not good with raze
derke? not good with razeThats why I think he is undoubtely the best player in the world. If RIOT by any means decides to nerf jett and shift the meta we prolly not gonna even hear names like cned and tenz again :>
He is not killing 40+ per map because when he joined VK he was forced to play a different role because heat is already a main jett... and lets be honest, every single duelist nowadays gets 20+ kills per map because team and setups are basically built around you (even steel managed to get 20 kills with it https://www.vlr.gg/29398/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-north-america-stage-3-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=46692&tab=overview)
copy paste, I saw this from another thread
ToMmYMoNsTeRTrUcKfAN9820 [#94]Nice. Thanks for giving an actual good post. Those stats are absolutely insane
Insaniest...
Raevus [#68]ngl woota doesn't sound like what uk people talk like. War-ah (water) is more like it. Boh-all(bottle) is another.
Some UK people who arent well educated *
BrazilianBeast [#89]CS - has more than 20k pros , double than number of LOL pros
csgo isn't even popular in Asia.
BrazilianBeast [#91]esports has not seen player more of a natural talent player than zywOo . He joins his first pro team and wins best player of year twice , even reaching finals with all 4 of his team members negative playing the most selfless star role with creating space and entries for his team .
I know s1 fans will compare entry ratings with zywoo not considering the fact s1 mostly goes for picks and not selfless entries like zywoo/niko(creating space) , also half of s1 opening KDA comes from awp picks while zywoo gives his awp to nivera . In comparison when s1 gave his awp to guardian navi was not successful at all although s1's rating was still top tier.
Now , with navi on top he has more talent in his team than prime astralis . s1 fans only love s1 for his flashy playstyle and personality like ronaldo and ignore the inhuman natural talent of zywOo like messi.
Faker > zywoo and s1mple combined
AVE_TRUE_TO_CAESAR [#6]TENZ 😃
omg TenZ
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BrazilianBeast [#91]esports has not seen player more of a natural talent player than zywOo . He joins his first pro team and wins best player of year twice , even reaching finals with all 4 of his team members negative playing the most selfless star role with creating space and entries for his team .
I know s1 fans will compare entry ratings with zywoo not considering the fact s1 mostly goes for picks and not selfless entries like zywoo/niko(creating space) , also half of s1 opening KDA comes from awp picks while zywoo gives his awp to nivera . In comparison when s1 gave his awp to guardian navi was not successful at all although s1's rating was still top tier.
Now , with navi on top he has more talent in his team than prime astralis . s1 fans only love s1 for his flashy playstyle and personality like ronaldo and ignore the inhuman natural talent of zywOo like messi.
Are you out of your mind m8? Vitality probably was the most supportive team of they star player in CS history. He had so many veteran players setting him up for the kills etc. Meanwhile S1mple had to go nuclear all the time so Navi had a chance. If we talk about selfless entry players who play incredible we have to talk about NiKo, who literally dry entries and wins every duel.
kbkdark [#110]Viewership - LOL
Prizes pool's - Dota 2CS:GO is in the middle of these 2
the best league pros have salaries in the millions, potentially 10s of millions per year. nobody cares about prize pools...
pewpew [#108]csgo isn't even popular in Asia.
what do you mean ? , whole valorant scene is CS GO failures
BrazilianBeast [#130]what do you mean ? , whole valorant scene is CS GO failures
The pro scene in csgo is a failure obviously because the game csgo itself is a failure in asia. If you play csgo in asia that means ur down bad.
kristof [#131]twitter followers:
s1mple - 658,6k
faker - 478,7kinstagram followers:
s1mple - 1,6M
faker - 603ks1mple > faker
Bro said twitter and instagram followers :skull:
BrazilianBeast [#130]what do you mean ? , whole valorant scene is CS GO failures
Dude you dont know shit nobody plays CSGO in asia, 0. The weirdos that play are CSGO failures because they are the only 100 players in all of asia that play CSGO. 13 years I lived in Asia and never heard of someone playing CSGO. Not once.
giantnutsack12345 [#134]Bro said twitter and instagram followers :skull:
of course
s1mple more popular so thats why he is THE GOAT🐐
BBL_Wtcn [#34]No S1mple is more popular even if you have played any fps you would know who is which is already a plus if you base it off only twitter followers S1mple has more even though his primary audience is Russian and a lot of them don’t use twitter
S1mple is well known in NA, EU, South America and CIS.
Faker is well known in NA, EU, CIS, South America, CN, JP, KR, OCE, pretty much any continent.
archetype [#140]S1mple is well known in NA, EU, South America and CIS.
Faker is well known in NA, EU, CIS, South America, CN, JP, KR, OCE, pretty much any continent.
faker is only known in china.
weferf [#135]Dude you dont know shit nobody plays CSGO in asia, 0. The weirdos that play are CSGO failures because they are the only 100 players in all of asia that play CSGO. 13 years I lived in Asia and never heard of someone playing CSGO. Not once.
f0rsaken , skRossi , x10 team all were CS GO players
heavnsent [#103]Some UK people who arent well educated *
Even then, I've heard people go war-ah, or war tah. This is being near London aswell, which a lot of people forget that the letter T exists. Just the first time I've seen woota be used as phonetics for British accent.
Raevus [#146]Even then, I've heard people go war-ah, or war tah. This is being near London aswell, which a lot of people forget that the letter T exists. Just the first time I've seen woota be used as phonetics for British accent.
There's even wootsah
Raevus [#146]Even then, I've heard people go war-ah, or war tah. This is being near London aswell, which a lot of people forget that the letter T exists. Just the first time I've seen woota be used as phonetics for British accent.
Well, there would be nothing wrong with saying "war tah," would there? That's literally the phonetic pronunciation. Anyway, generally speaking, people who drop their ts are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds/poorly educated. Most families I knew growing up would not have allowed their kids to speak like that... It's in the same boat as saying "in'it," if you know that one...
heavnsent [#150]Well, there would be nothing wrong with saying "war tah," would there? That's literally the phonetic pronunciation. Anyway, generally speaking, people who drop their ts are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds/poorly educated. Most families I knew growing up would not have allowed their kids to speak like that... It's in the same boat as saying "in'it," if you know that one...
What I meant by war tah, is more the huge emphases on the ah bit, which tend to sound like War-tar. Used an h instead of r, which is my bad.
Like, I'm originally from South Africa, family moved to Berkshire when I was like 3. My brother and sister adapted to the colloquial habits of in'it, whateva, etc.
Parents associated not having correct pronunciation, or having a good understanding of correct pronunciation, was seen as lower class. which in most cases it is. My societal standards that is.
Not exactly sure about the definition of sovia economic backgrounds, but I believe it has to do with education level of family, parental income, and the statuc of their job, or family. Wouldn't the area fall under that aswell? I grew up in a average town, no excess of rich people, a lot of council estates, etc. Most people my age had their pronunciation of Ts, there. Other than the few who acted like chavs/roadmen (went to school through 2008-2013. height of chavs and start of roadmen). oddly the ones who acted like roadmen/chavs, were from a town next to my own, which was abundant with that style of speech.
Sorry for poor structuring, and rambling one about stuff lol
BrazilianBeast [#97]we are talking about what game is more difficult , obviously when its more tough to compete against 20k pros
csgo low skill celling point shoot soo easy, even controller fps are harder than pointy shoot games
BrazilianBeast [#130]what do you mean ? , whole valorant scene is CS GO failures
so if players from one game move to another game, they are all automatically failures...What kind of suck ass mentality is that? People can shine in different games. The fact that you are a loser in your job doesn't mean you will be another loser in another job. Simple as that, what is the point of defending an old game (csgo) that is not willing to improve many aspects of their own game (graphics, game matching, ranked, etc etc)
You just sound like a brain dead
Raevus [#151]What I meant by war tah, is more the huge emphases on the ah bit, which tend to sound like War-tar. Used an h instead of r, which is my bad.
Like, I'm originally from South Africa, family moved to Berkshire when I was like 3. My brother and sister adapted to the colloquial habits of in'it, whateva, etc.
Parents associated not having correct pronunciation, or having a good understanding of correct pronunciation, was seen as lower class. which in most cases it is. My societal standards that is.
Not exactly sure about the definition of sovia economic backgrounds, but I believe it has to do with education level of family, parental income, and the statuc of their job, or family. Wouldn't the area fall under that aswell? I grew up in a average town, no excess of rich people, a lot of council estates, etc. Most people my age had their pronunciation of Ts, there. Other than the few who acted like chavs/roadmen (went to school through 2008-2013. height of chavs and start of roadmen). oddly the ones who acted like roadmen/chavs, were from a town next to my own, which was abundant with that style of speech.Sorry for poor structuring, and rambling one about stuff lol
Yes, you're right - it's lower class, which is essentially what I meant but didnt want to say as class structure is a sensitive topic to some.
The practice of dropping ts has, over the years, spilled over to lower middle class and even middle classes -- though it is typically a phase thing for kids in those circumstances.
My friends at school did it, and now they're in their mid 20s and most do not. It's just hip to sound kinda street wise and edgy, but it's honestly a bit embarrassing for grown men of a good education to speak like that. Of course, some dont know better and copy their parents,etc...
It's complicated! But just wanted to point out that it's very cringe for many UK people to imagine that foreign believe we all sound like that, hah.
heavnsent [#158]Yes, you're right - it's lower class, which is essentially what I meant but didnt want to say as class structure is a sensitive topic to some.
The practice of dropping ts has, over the years, spilled over to lower middle class and even middle classes -- though it is typically a phase thing for kids in those circumstances.
My friends at school did it, and now they're in their mid 20s and most do not. It's just hip to sound kinda street wise and edgy, but it's honestly a bit embarrassing for grown men of a good education to speak like that. Of course, some dont know better and copy their parents,etc...
It's complicated! But just wanted to point out that it's very cringe for many UK people to imagine that foreign believe we all sound like that, hah.
The irony between people making fun out of British people saying war-ah, is not many other countries even pronounce the T in water. America says wa-der, and boh-dl. They do the same what a lot of British people do, and use a flat T, which sounds like a D in American English, and in England, they tend to do the same, just with a different accent. the most common use of water in the UK I've seen, is war-da, with a slight t on the d sound, just not emphasised as it should be, according to queens English.
This isn't saying the op is american(guy who mentioned woota), just talking in general as it's usually NAs who tend to make fun of the UK for stereotypes, despite both countries doing the same shit.
pewpew [#156]so if players from one game move to another game, they are all automatically failures...What kind of suck ass mentality is that? People can shine in different games. The fact that you are a loser in your job doesn't mean you will be another loser in another job. Simple as that, what is the point of defending an old game (csgo) that is not willing to improve many aspects of their own game (graphics, game matching, ranked, etc etc)
You just sound like a brain dead
mixwell kicked tenz in C9 CS:GO and mixwell also kicked his ass in valorant to get him eliminated .
chloeburbank [#154]csgo low skill celling point shoot soo easy, even controller fps are harder than pointy shoot games
go watch niko's aim and tell me again which game has higher skill ceiling in aim than CS.
Na1myy [#121]Are you out of your mind m8? Vitality probably was the most supportive team of they star player in CS history. He had so many veteran players setting him up for the kills etc. Meanwhile S1mple had to go nuclear all the time so Navi had a chance. If we talk about selfless entry players who play incredible we have to talk about NiKo, who literally dry entries and wins every duel.
delusional
BrazilianBeast [#167]mixwell kicked tenz in C9 CS:GO and mixwell also kicked his ass in valorant to get him eliminated .
who the fuck is mixwell...
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