Based on the leaks, it is almost 90% possible that Sinatraa might return to the Sentinels team. Are they really gonna do that to damage their org's reputation due to the allegations ??
Also I think that people might start turning on his teammates for supporting him.
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feelsbadboaster [#2]i hope not he doesnt deserve a platform
Why and how? You a lawyer or some shit?
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#6]Why and how? You a lawyer or some shit?
if you have to ask why, you need to seek help
I feel like he has way more supporters than haters. They will win even more fanbase, all the one he has been farming all this months, plus -the zombs hate
Plus they are not really risking anything since as far as we know the case is archived so unless it reopens he is clean (which doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, just that since you can’t prove he did do it you can’t just assume he did)
feelsbadboaster [#7]if you have to ask why, you need to seek help
Nah I just wanna know what inside info you have that states legally he’s guilty! Please feel free to dm me!
Caliburn0723 [#5]Their org reputation was nothing pure from start. They were a toxic org.
Not bad, but neither super positive org.
They will do what ever they can to stay relevant in the two or 3 games they play good in.
But Sen will be stronger, if that happens
There is a difference between an org playing a villain role and the org having an alleged rapist on the team
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#9]Nah I just wanna know what inside info you have that states legally he’s guilty! Please feel free to dm me!
he doesnt have to legally be guilty for people to believe he is guilty! dickrider alert xD xD
Unclebenmehover [#13]
- zombs sick to sentinels and dapr to smokes with Sinatraa playing sicks role? Sick already plays sage and astra, I’m sure he can learn kj or whatev
Shouldn’t it be sick to controller and then Sinatraa fills in sicks role? Or
Mortadelo [#8]I feel like he has way more supporters than haters. They will win even more fanbase, all the one he has been farming all this months, plus -the zombs hate
Plus they are not really risking anything since as far as we know the case is archived so unless it reopens he is clean (which doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, just that since you can’t prove he did do it you can’t just assume he did)
it's impossible to that case to be reopen when that girl said she has mental health, this world is fck that "mental" thing can be used on everything
jackb2016 [#16]Shouldn’t it be sick to controller and then Sinatraa fills in sicks role? Or
Dapr is a better controller than sick imo
He’s a good viper
Sick was ok on astra but I think he’s have more leeway to play aggressive on sentinel
Unclebenmehover [#18]Dapr is a better controller than sick imo
He’s a good viper
Sick was ok on astra but I think he’s have more leeway to play aggressive on sentinel
I think Dapr will still play Viper on maps like Split, Bind, Icebox, Fracture, and Split will play Astra, Omen, Brim, etc.
bradbreach [#20]Sentinels was/is in what games besides Valorant? I've never heard of the org before Valorant but seems a big thing on NA, so I don't know about that reputation that you guys talk about
bruhh fortnite world champion bugha is from sentinals
bradbreach [#20]Sentinels was/is in what games besides Valorant? I've never heard of the org before Valorant but seems a big thing on NA, so I don't know about that reputation that you guys talk about
Halo and Fortnite are their biggest games outside valo. They used to have an LCS team called Phoenix1 but they were shit. I'm also pretty sure they used to have an OWL team but don't quote me on that.
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#24]Halo and Fortnite are their biggest games outside valo. They used to have an LCS team called Phoenix1 but they were shit. I'm also pretty sure they used to have an OWL team but don't quote me on that.
thank you bro
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#10]There is a difference between an org playing a villain role and the org having an alleged rapist on the team
Yes, isn’t that what I was saying. They are not a good team to consider all those shit. They kept him on team, all this time. That is when you know it is an L org. I donot support him in pro valorant scene.
I was just saying why Sen don’t mind.
Also shaz is just a rat, can’t see him saying no to Sin.
Sorry, if this tweet came the wrong way.
kevshare [#14]he doesnt have to legally be guilty for people to believe he is guilty! dickrider alert xD xD
Thanks bro but innocent till proven guilty
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#28]Thanks bro but innocent till proven guilty
yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.
mclife20 [#17]it's impossible to that case to be reopen when that girl said she has mental health, this world is fck that "mental" thing can be used on everything
"that girl" made a fking onlyfans acct, obviously she knows what she's doing and was only accusing him to ruin his career and get attention
kevshare [#29]yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.
I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#31]I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
weirdestchamp
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#10]There is a difference between an org playing a villain role and the org having an alleged rapist on the team
^ people forget about g2 sometimes
KyLZi [#26]I always thought Faze would be the org to pick him up. They seem to fit each other.
just another scandal for them lol
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#31]I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
incel detected
verse [#3]doubt sinatraa is going to do more harm to SEN's brand than zombs is going to do after beating a Brazilian team again tbh
They downvoted you because you spoke the truth
edit: They upvoted you because you spoke the truth
verse [#3]doubt sinatraa is going to do more harm to SEN's brand than zombs is going to do after beating a Brazilian team again tbh
Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him
I feel like from a business perspective it's a bad decision, just looking through the comments on this post shows that Sinatra and the allegations are still a controversial topic. But from a pure in-game perspective Sinatra is an obvious upgrade from Zombs, and iirc he was very good in the server before he was benched.
Feels risky, especially when you have other orgs passing over Sinatra over the risk to their reputation
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#31]I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
how does starting an onlyfans invalidate her accusation? disregarding your perception of onlyfans and probably sex workers, was the audio clip was just not enough for you?
kevshare [#39]how does starting an onlyfans invalidate her accusation? disregarding your perception of onlyfans and probably sex workers, was the audio clip was just not enough for you?
I still love how no one brings up the literal CLIP of her saying "No stop" "No" and he keeps going but Ok
ncijk3131 [#40]I still love how no one brings up the literal CLIP of her saying "No stop" "No" and he keeps going but Ok
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t just mean in a court of law, it’s for anything and whether or not I like or support Sinatra, he is innocent
kevshare [#39]how does starting an onlyfans invalidate her accusation? disregarding your perception of onlyfans and probably sex workers, was the audio clip was just not enough for you?
Bro don't you know if a woman has an OF she's asking for it? Why would she have an OF if she didn't want to sleep with every man she sees bro? /s
Mortadelo [#8]I feel like he has way more supporters than haters. They will win even more fanbase, all the one he has been farming all this months, plus -the zombs hate
Plus they are not really risking anything since as far as we know the case is archived so unless it reopens he is clean (which doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, just that since you can’t prove he did do it you can’t just assume he did)
Drama Frogs will try to stir up trouble tho. Let's be honest, theirs going to be a wave of YouTube videos saying that Sentinels support rapists, and if these hypothetical videos get some steam the criticisms could cause big troubles for the orgs
Ultimate6989 [#30]"that girl" made a fking onlyfans acct, obviously she knows what she's doing and was only accusing him to ruin his career and get attention
lmao touch grass
Ross [#41]Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t just mean in a court of law, it’s for anything and whether or not I like or support Sinatra, he is innocent
flawed logic bruh lmfao, especially because there is a whole ass clip of it. how else do you prove it?
Ultimate6989 [#30]"that girl" made a fking onlyfans acct, obviously she knows what she's doing and was only accusing him to ruin his career and get attention
If she was lying, then why tf did Sinatraa not comply with the Riot investigation??
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#9]Nah I just wanna know what inside info you have that states legally he’s guilty! Please feel free to dm me!
average vlr user
Don't care about the rape situation but since there is no proof it is all empty talk. I think sinatraa is a great player, don't know his personality, don't know him irl but if he is not found guilty why would it make him not play in any team. He already couldn't play a year? It is like you have your job but you can't do it. Don't hate or like sinatraa, just saying for me he can play professional valorant
kevshare [#45]flawed logic bruh lmfao, especially because there is a whole ass clip of it. how else do you prove it?
Don't bother you are talking to a bunch of incels, which is linked to being a sinatraa stan
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#9]Nah I just wanna know what inside info you have that states legally he’s guilty! Please feel free to dm me!
bro its not about whether hes guilty or not. Its been made clear multiple times his main issue is not cooperating with the investigation
chesimac [#50]Don't bother you are talking to a bunch of incels, which is linked to being a sinatraa stan
The clip is complete bullshit you have no idea what youre talking about completely embarrassing for you. Theres a reason she dropped charges, if that was good evidence then why would her legal team tell her it wouldnt hold up in a court of law.
Sugo [#51]bro its not about whether hes guilty or not. Its been made clear multiple times his main issue is not cooperating with the investigation
Because there wasnt any relevant evidence hence the dropped charges.
Free [#53]Because there wasnt any relevant evidence hence the dropped charges.
???? holy you sinatraa simps are empty in the head. Your explanation for him actively not cooperating is because there was no evidence?? If you know you are innocent you have 1000x more incentive to cooperate with the investigation...
ncijk3131 [#40]I still love how no one brings up the literal CLIP of her saying "No stop" "No" and he keeps going but Ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g4WoK2uiY
so your telling me this audio clip is enough to prove him guilty, the clip has no evidence to show that he forced her to do anything,
I'm not the biggest fan of him myself however I don't see how in some peoples brains this is enough to prove someone guilty/believe there guilty/
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#31]I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
I agree with you overall but this point is so degrading...
Sugo [#54]???? holy you sinatraa simps are empty in the head. Your explanation for him actively not cooperating is because there was no evidence?? If you know you are innocent you have 1000x more incentive to cooperate with the investigation...
Im not defending him for not cooperating he served his punishment for that. Hes now eligible to play professionally you disagreeing with that is way more you being a hater than me accepting it being a simp. Youre delusional and projecting grow the f up.
clutchzero [#59]If you think sinatraa did nothing wrong after those records, you are the worst kind of person.
Youre just naive, easy af to manipulate you with a single bs clip. Start making your own inferences instead of blindly following media outlets
Free [#60]Im not defending him for not cooperating he served his punishment for that. Hes now eligible to play professionally you disagreeing with that is way more you being a hater than me accepting it being a simp. Youre delusional and projecting grow the f up.
I also never said he isnt eligible to play? I think you're the one projecting here. I was merely responding to other ppl saying hes not guilty of anything.
Sugo [#62]I also never said he isnt eligible to play? I think you're the one projecting here. I was merely responding to other ppl saying hes not guilty of anything.
Whats the point of bringing up the failure to cooperate when thats in the past and over with. Focus on the present, he would improve pretty much any team he joined in NA.
Taramissu [#37]Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him
Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly.
Free [#65]Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly.
Nadeshot literally said 100T won't work with Sinatra because of the allegations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xAOJFKTt2Y
Free [#64]Whats the point of bringing up the failure to cooperate when thats in the past and over with. Focus on the present, he would improve pretty much any team he joined in NA.
.. you lose the argument then say "focus on the present". ok lol i was literally just responding to this current thread. i've never said anything about his capacity to compete and his ability as a player
Sugo [#62]I also never said he isnt eligible to play? I think you're the one projecting here. I was merely responding to other ppl saying hes not guilty of anything.
Bro what argument did i lose lmao? We literally agree on the topic, are you that lost? Im just lauging at the fact that you cant see that focusing on his cooperation which he served his punishment for already is moronic.
Sugo [#51]bro its not about whether hes guilty or not. Its been made clear multiple times his main issue is not cooperating with the investigation
dumbass alert, any lawyer would've told sinatraa to not cooperate SINCE ITS RIOT NOT THE LAW
dino_brains [#66]Nadeshot literally said 100T won't work with Sinatra because of the allegations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xAOJFKTt2Y
Him saying that it wouldnt work doesnt mean he doesnt belong on a top team. Not every team and player can work. Youd understand that if youd ever been in any professional setting.
Free [#71]Him saying that it wouldnt work doesnt mean he doesnt belong on a top team. Not every team and player can work. Youd understand that if youd ever been in any professional setting.
"Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him"
"Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly."
You can rewatch the clip, the founder and CEO of 100 Thieves made a public statement saying that his organization would not work with Sinatra specifically because of the allegations. You were wrong on the internet, take the L.
asdfghjkl [#70]dumbass alert, any lawyer would've told sinatraa to not cooperate SINCE ITS RIOT NOT THE LAW
he said he would fully cooperate but lied multiple times during the investigation
TechLewi [#56]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g4WoK2uiY
so your telling me this audio clip is enough to prove him guilty, the clip has no evidence to show that he forced her to do anything,
I'm not the biggest fan of him myself however I don't see how in some peoples brains this is enough to prove someone guilty/believe there guilty/
you must be young or something so its cool
mclife20 [#19]btw where's cle0h twitter? she goes private?
she privated after I ratioed her in 3 different hate comments
ez impressions farming
Free [#52]The clip is complete bullshit you have no idea what youre talking about completely embarrassing for you. Theres a reason she dropped charges, if that was good evidence then why would her legal team tell her it wouldnt hold up in a court of law.
agree.
One thing I noticed in particular reading the document was that she claimed to have a video clip of this audio clip.
If you have that he is locked away for 15 years no question.
Thats indisputable evidence.
Her backing out after claiming she has that clip gives a strong sense that she is lying
Free [#52]The clip is complete bullshit you have no idea what youre talking about completely embarrassing for you. Theres a reason she dropped charges, if that was good evidence then why would her legal team tell her it wouldnt hold up in a court of law.
kiribati flag = based
ncijk3131 [#76]you must be young or something so its cool
found this under the comment section of the video, I think it is really well written and I thought I would share it with you.
AKHIL VASHIST
1 year ago
@Eli Sanders Cleo could've always reached out and could have taken a strong stance. See this is what was happening, at all the times they both were physically romantic, whenever they both met, were romantic to each other or made out, Cleo participated in it by will, she was never being held at force or being made to do anything by force. How do i establish this ? Well, whenever a couple makes out they need to meet first, here as cleo doesn't make any mention of sinatra forcing her to come somewhere or kidnapping her or anything, it can be established that she came to him, by will and wanted to meet him for romance or for making out because they did end up doing those things. After that another thing can be established, as from the audio she provides it is proven they were having SEX and whenever sex happens between two peope 2 things also happen, first being foreplay majorly kissing and hugging, cleo doesn't seem to be objecting to that, she consensually kissed him and participated in a romantic foreplay, and continued with it, that shows she wanted to do so, was liking it so didn't object and continued, further the second thing that happens before sex is you have to take your clothes off, if sinatra was a viscous sex offender rapist like he is being portrayed as he would have forcefully removed her clothes off or tore them, but that doesn't happen in this case, Cloe by her will and wish, removes her clothes without objecting an inch at all. Now that we have established that she removed her clothes by her will we can also established that cloe did realize why she was removing her clothes, it wasn't for bathing, it was for sex, she clearly understood what was happening, she didn't object and consensually proceeded with the act, never object never stoped sinatra before beginning nor when they were making out, BUT INSTEAD WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING OUT FOR SOMETIME AND THE MOMENT COMES WHEN SINATRA IS CLOSE TO CUMMING AT THE PEAK OF HIS ORGASM, That's when cloe chooses to casually playfully in a soft voice say no to him. Wow. Even then after this so called incident, she doesn't report this to anyone, no police no family no friends to nobody does she say anything in her soft sweet playfully voice, and when Sinatra has his Valorant TOURNAMENTS coming up then she chooses to bring this up like a super brave girl she always was. Wow. And all the emotional fools join her in this, strip Sinatra off of all respect, his organisation just throws him off like he was trash, who once cherished this very important player. Its shocking how people stand by your side when you're at you're peak, you're achieving things and have a maintained image, then one false spot on your image then boom, they pretend they never knew you. Whatever sinatra did or didn't do, he definitely doesn't deserve having his career and image taken away from him in such a manner.
MikeHunt [#82]found this under the comment section of the video, I think it is really well written and I thought I would share it with you.
AKHIL VASHIST
1 year ago
@Eli Sanders Cleo could've always reached out and could have taken a strong stance. See this is what was happening, at all the times they both were physically romantic, whenever they both met, were romantic to each other or made out, Cleo participated in it by will, she was never being held at force or being made to do anything by force. How do i establish this ? Well, whenever a couple makes out they need to meet first, here as cleo doesn't make any mention of sinatra forcing her to come somewhere or kidnapping her or anything, it can be established that she came to him, by will and wanted to meet him for romance or for making out because they did end up doing those things. After that another thing can be established, as from the audio she provides it is proven they were having SEX and whenever sex happens between two peope 2 things also happen, first being foreplay majorly kissing and hugging, cleo doesn't seem to be objecting to that, she consensually kissed him and participated in a romantic foreplay, and continued with it, that shows she wanted to do so, was liking it so didn't object and continued, further the second thing that happens before sex is you have to take your clothes off, if sinatra was a viscous sex offender rapist like he is being portrayed as he would have forcefully removed her clothes off or tore them, but that doesn't happen in this case, Cloe by her will and wish, removes her clothes without objecting an inch at all. Now that we have established that she removed her clothes by her will we can also established that cloe did realize why she was removing her clothes, it wasn't for bathing, it was for sex, she clearly understood what was happening, she didn't object and consensually proceeded with the act, never object never stoped sinatra before beginning nor when they were making out, BUT INSTEAD WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING OUT FOR SOMETIME AND THE MOMENT COMES WHEN SINATRA IS CLOSE TO CUMMING AT THE PEAK OF HIS ORGASM, That's when cloe chooses to casually playfully in a soft voice say no to him. Wow. Even then after this so called incident, she doesn't report this to anyone, no police no family no friends to nobody does she say anything in her soft sweet playfully voice, and when Sinatra has his Valorant TOURNAMENTS coming up then she chooses to bring this up like a super brave girl she always was. Wow. And all the emotional fools join her in this, strip Sinatra off of all respect, his organisation just throws him off like he was trash, who once cherished this very important player. Its shocking how people stand by your side when you're at you're peak, you're achieving things and have a maintained image, then one false spot on your image then boom, they pretend they never knew you. Whatever sinatra did or didn't do, he definitely doesn't deserve having his career and image taken away from him in such a manner.
very well written: "CUMMING AT THE PEAK OF HIS ORGASM"
MikeHunt [#82]found this under the comment section of the video, I think it is really well written and I thought I would share it with you.
AKHIL VASHIST
1 year ago
@Eli Sanders Cleo could've always reached out and could have taken a strong stance. See this is what was happening, at all the times they both were physically romantic, whenever they both met, were romantic to each other or made out, Cleo participated in it by will, she was never being held at force or being made to do anything by force. How do i establish this ? Well, whenever a couple makes out they need to meet first, here as cleo doesn't make any mention of sinatra forcing her to come somewhere or kidnapping her or anything, it can be established that she came to him, by will and wanted to meet him for romance or for making out because they did end up doing those things. After that another thing can be established, as from the audio she provides it is proven they were having SEX and whenever sex happens between two peope 2 things also happen, first being foreplay majorly kissing and hugging, cleo doesn't seem to be objecting to that, she consensually kissed him and participated in a romantic foreplay, and continued with it, that shows she wanted to do so, was liking it so didn't object and continued, further the second thing that happens before sex is you have to take your clothes off, if sinatra was a viscous sex offender rapist like he is being portrayed as he would have forcefully removed her clothes off or tore them, but that doesn't happen in this case, Cloe by her will and wish, removes her clothes without objecting an inch at all. Now that we have established that she removed her clothes by her will we can also established that cloe did realize why she was removing her clothes, it wasn't for bathing, it was for sex, she clearly understood what was happening, she didn't object and consensually proceeded with the act, never object never stoped sinatra before beginning nor when they were making out, BUT INSTEAD WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING OUT FOR SOMETIME AND THE MOMENT COMES WHEN SINATRA IS CLOSE TO CUMMING AT THE PEAK OF HIS ORGASM, That's when cloe chooses to casually playfully in a soft voice say no to him. Wow. Even then after this so called incident, she doesn't report this to anyone, no police no family no friends to nobody does she say anything in her soft sweet playfully voice, and when Sinatra has his Valorant TOURNAMENTS coming up then she chooses to bring this up like a super brave girl she always was. Wow. And all the emotional fools join her in this, strip Sinatra off of all respect, his organisation just throws him off like he was trash, who once cherished this very important player. Its shocking how people stand by your side when you're at you're peak, you're achieving things and have a maintained image, then one false spot on your image then boom, they pretend they never knew you. Whatever sinatra did or didn't do, he definitely doesn't deserve having his career and image taken away from him in such a manner.
im not reading all that but sinatraa is a rapist
Free [#61]Youre just naive, easy af to manipulate you with a single bs clip. Start making your own inferences instead of blindly following media outlets
LOL
DogeForPres [#83]very well written: "CUMMING AT THE PEAK OF HIS ORGASM"
the way he laid out the facts xD common bro, don't do that :P
kevshare [#29]yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.
so many downvotes sadge
zardinez [#46]If she was lying, then why tf did Sinatraa not comply with the Riot investigation??
Why did the guy facing a legal investigation, which can land him life in prison, not comply with Riot- the PRIVATE investigator who paid out 100million dollars for gender discrimination not even 5 years ago, who can hand over evidence (as much or as little as they want) to the police? Even if you're innocent, do NOT say anything to the police or private investigators without a lawyer present, there is a reason they spend 5 years in university and have to pass insane exams to protect your innocence.
jawn [#74]he said he would fully cooperate but lied multiple times during the investigation
Probably whatever he said was an instruction by his legal team. Do you really think Sin would talk to Riot about such a crucial topic by himself? Of course not without his legal team breathing down his his neck. Whether he wanted to fully cooperate or not, we will never know and it was likely not up to him.
mystbz1 [#88]so many downvotes sadge
ikr looks like so many people just fully trust the law to determine whats wrong and whats right haha shitty ass world
VinceVioVN [#92]Probably whatever he said was an instruction by his legal team. Do you really think Sin would talk to Riot about such a crucial topic by himself? Of course not without his legal team breathing down his his neck. Whether he wanted to fully cooperate or not, we will never know and it was likely not up to him.
if he was as innocent as he claims his legal team has no reason to not fully cooperate with an investigation by his literal employer lmao
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#6]Why and how? You a lawyer or some shit?
you are going through hell to defend sinatraa and I really respect that. but you have to consider that his reputation is destroyed regardless of being guilty or innocent.
Slashyiguess [#96]surely sinatraa busted a nut with the amount of dickriding in this thread LMAO
Cleoh surely made at least 10 grand from the pussy licking in this thread too
jawn [#94]if he was as innocent as he claims his legal team has no reason to not fully cooperate with an investigation by his literal employer lmao
True, but from a legal standpoint, why talk when you don't need to. Riot isn't the law so why risk saying something stupid by accident, as your words can be used against you. Also the fallacy of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," is a really bad to live your life on :P
VinceVioVN [#98]True, but from a legal standpoint, why talk when you don't need to. Riot isn't the law so why risk saying something stupid by accident, as your words can be used against you. Also the fallacy of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," is a really bad to live your life on :P
the investigation by riot doesn't consist of trapping him alone in a dark room until he confesses, a lot of it would go through his legal team regardless
feelsbadboaster [#2]i hope not he doesnt deserve a platform
downfragged bad, but you're right. Too bad average VLR user can't use brain and think why would and innocent person refuse to cooperate in an investigation and not openly speak out against sexual assault if they weren't a sexual assaulter.
jawn [#99]the investigation by riot doesn't consist of trapping him alone in a dark room until he confesses, a lot of it would go through his legal team regardless
You’re twisting my words again. I never said they are trying to trap him and pull a “gotcha.” I'm saying his legal team would probably rather have him say nothing than say anything EVEN IF everything goes thru the team. Human error exists and by him saying nothing, there's no risk.
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#24]Halo and Fortnite are their biggest games outside valo. They used to have an LCS team called Phoenix1 but they were shit. I'm also pretty sure they used to have an OWL team but don't quote me on that.
p sure zombs was on their OWL team or maybe it was apex
feelsbadboaster [#2]i hope not he doesnt deserve a platform
The fact this is so downvoted just shows that this forum isn't full of trolls, but actual slow fucks with no human decency.
Sugo [#54]???? holy you sinatraa simps are empty in the head. Your explanation for him actively not cooperating is because there was no evidence?? If you know you are innocent you have 1000x more incentive to cooperate with the investigation...
This is such a brain dead argument. People do not cooperate in giving some evidences cus their lawyers told them to in so many different cases . It may provide the wrong notion or change the picture in many cases when it's not actually true . Not providing evidence is not a crime in any way .Sinatraa did not provide some piece of evidence cuz his lawyer told him not to. I think it's better to listen to his lawyers then some random vlr user telling otherwise. The women herself did not even provide the required details to start a case and u expect him to give the public everything for no reason .
jam205x [#106]The fact this is so downvoted just shows that this forum isn't full of trolls, but actual slow fucks with no human decency.
The fact that u do not even know the full evidence or what happened but support a girl who claimed shit and never showed up with an actual case, the fact that u support a girl who came out after just before his main event , the fact that she never persued the case afterwards shows the number of brain cells u have. I think u should give the benefit of doubt atleast to someone who put allegations on a person and then never persued it and probably never will . Was her motive to make Sinatraa look bar in front of the whole world or actually legally do something. From the incidents which happened so far i think anyone can tell what's her motives.
feelsbadboaster [#2]i hope not he doesnt deserve a platform
the amount of downvotes alone shows how fucked vlr and valorant community is. disappointed but not surprised.
ncijk3131 [#84]im not reading all that but sinatraa is a rapist
i hope one day someone shows u what that word really means
AverageJoe [#101]nah SEN fans will love sinatraa even more so because of the incident. Kids like to be edgy for the sake of it (and a lot of valorant fans are young)
This is unironically true.
Maybe not all SEN fans, but the diehard ones that are stuck in the early days before Masters 2: Reykjavik.
kevshare [#39]how does starting an onlyfans invalidate her accusation? disregarding your perception of onlyfans and probably sex workers, was the audio clip was just not enough for you?
I think the whole respecting sex workers is being misunderstood here. It is definitely not just another laymans job thats just not true and it definitely cannot be seen that way. It should be normalized yes but it most definitely isnt a job that doesnt entail anything. I dont think she is wrong in starting one and it definitely shouldnt be a REASON as to why she shouldnt be believed but it most definitely makes it hard to believe her considering her claim as to what her reaction was to the experience she had and how its very closely related with what onlyfans entails. Im not saying dont believe her, im just saying that she might not be telling the whole truth especially due to her not providing the claimed "irrefutable evidence" that was and still is in her possession, because "they didnt ask her for it". That is absolutely the dumbest reason for not fully convicting a man that has abused you
ncijk3131 [#40]I still love how no one brings up the literal CLIP of her saying "No stop" "No" and he keeps going but Ok
i dont exactly remember hearing the clip but wasnt it super vague and didnt really prove anything?
cruly [#112]i hope one day someone shows u what that word really means
that boy a rapist like it or not
LitMess [#95]you are going through hell to defend sinatraa and I really respect that. but you have to consider that his reputation is destroyed regardless of being guilty or innocent.
thats true and thats what sucks about this whole thing. Both parties are probably in the wrong at certain places but at the end of the day the person that benefits from this more is cleoh seeing as she doesnt have a massive online following that she has to maintain a reputation for while she could have single handedly ruined sinatraas entire existing and potentially future careers
Typical_NA_Fan [#102]downfragged bad, but you're right. Too bad average VLR user can't use brain and think why would and innocent person refuse to cooperate in an investigation and not openly speak out against sexual assault if they weren't a sexual assaulter.
Legal team would most likely tell him to not cooperate seeing as the law wasnt involved. Sinatraa is not obligated to cooperate with Riot since its within his rights not to, and so following that most likely his legal team was the one telling him to not just spew whatever he wanted to say cause he might have let out something that could be used against him
Its dumb how much damage it will cause for such a messy and rushed case with some of the weakest evidence. Its a shame that its inevitable regardless but yes im sure sentinels has talked to sinatraa and hes willing to work with them to better his image and to revert public perceptions back to what they were before
redlight [#113]This is unironically true.
Maybe not all SEN fans, but the diehard ones that are stuck in the early days before Masters 2: Reykjavik.
yea its a true shame what the internet is
delusional_sentinels_fan1 [#97]Cleoh surely made at least 10 grand from the pussy licking in this thread too
you missed the other 0 in the back
n0namer123 [#89]Heard it's closer to 92%, but those are my sources
wait are you sure? My sources say 88%
clutchzero [#59]If you think sinatraa did nothing wrong after those records, you are the worst kind of person.
i mean if it was the "conclusive evidence" she claimed of having then maybe this whole situation wouldnt be the way it is. The audio clip she provided was the most vague shit ever that could have either been literally anything, or just having regular sex. The reason riot isnt able to come to a conclusion is simply because that clip doesnt prove anything cause it could just be them playing taken out of context.
frake_monster [#49]Don't care about the rape situation but since there is no proof it is all empty talk. I think sinatraa is a great player, don't know his personality, don't know him irl but if he is not found guilty why would it make him not play in any team. He already couldn't play a year? It is like you have your job but you can't do it. Don't hate or like sinatraa, just saying for me he can play professional valorant
agreed, if she didnt finish him off then dont stop him from coming back to valorant. If she doesnt want him to comeback then provide riot with that "irrefutable evidence" that she has of the "rape" and then we can finally stop talking about the whole situation
dino_brains [#38]I feel like from a business perspective it's a bad decision, just looking through the comments on this post shows that Sinatra and the allegations are still a controversial topic. But from a pure in-game perspective Sinatra is an obvious upgrade from Zombs, and iirc he was very good in the server before he was benched.
Feels risky, especially when you have other orgs passing over Sinatra over the risk to their reputation
yea for their business it might be a small hit in the short term, but the amount of popularity they could garner if this team works out and theyre able to put NA back on top. The amount of money and publicity they would get would far outweight the negative
JustHunter [#114]I think the whole respecting sex workers is being misunderstood here. It is definitely not just another laymans job thats just not true and it definitely cannot be seen that way. It should be normalized yes but it most definitely isnt a job that doesnt entail anything. I dont think she is wrong in starting one and it definitely shouldnt be a REASON as to why she shouldnt be believed but it most definitely makes it hard to believe her considering her claim as to what her reaction was to the experience she had and how its very closely related with what onlyfans entails. Im not saying dont believe her, im just saying that she might not be telling the whole truth especially due to her not providing the claimed "irrefutable evidence" that was and still is in her possession, because "they didnt ask her for it". That is absolutely the dumbest reason for not fully convicting a man that has abused you
"the experience she had and how its very closely related with what onlyfans entails" how in the world is her experience related to what onlyfans entails? also it was said that harassment and mental trauma were the reasons she put the case on hold. sa cases are really hard for the victims and often fail anyways. i think the audio clip is more than enough to believe her. also sinatraa said he had evidence but then never provided it and lied during the riot investigation, which btw you would cooperate if you had it because riot is in control of your career. i really think he just decided to take a 6 month for no cooperation rather than getting investigated truly
JustHunter [#125]yea for their business it might be a small hit in the short term, but the amount of popularity they could garner if this team works out and theyre able to put NA back on top. The amount of money and publicity they would get would far outweight the negative
I think that's a big if, plus if they return to the centre of the Valorant people they'll also attract more haters who will undoubtedly use it against them
It doesn't make sense how their reputation as an org will be ruined when they let their players stream with a "sexual offender" (HE ISN'T LOL)
so saying that if Sinatraa goes back to the main roster will ruin their reputation as an org is weird because Zombs and Dapr usually play with Sinatraa on stream as a duo
dino_brains [#43]Drama Frogs will try to stir up trouble tho. Let's be honest, theirs going to be a wave of YouTube videos saying that Sentinels support rapists, and if these hypothetical videos get some steam the criticisms could cause big troubles for the orgs
Ong, which is weird since SEN members play with Sinatraa most of the time how tf does that not affect the reputation of the org but when Sinatraa goes back as a pro player for SEN it does? Plus Sinatraa is a "CONTENT CREATOR FOR SENTINELS" why are ppl ok with this but when Sinatraa might go back to the main roster it affects the reputation?
dino_brains [#73]"Ur so right, there's a reason big brand org like 100T don't wanna be associated with him"
"Awful take, they never said anything like that publicly."
You can rewatch the clip, the founder and CEO of 100 Thieves made a public statement saying that his organization would not work with Sinatra specifically because of the allegations. You were wrong on the internet, take the L.
2 completely different things youre just too much of a child to understand nuance
kevshare [#29]yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.
People like you who judge others and take the law in their own hands are worse than Satwant and Beant Singh!
LouBag [#85]Win for Sen
Win for innocent until proven guilty
Win for personal growth and change
L for Cancel culture
Exactly - Kids think black & white.
Free [#132]2 completely different things youre just too much of a child to understand nuance
if anyone is the child here its you. Its very clear the reason why nadeshot doesnt want to and will never negotiate with sinatraa and he even mentioned "brand image" in there, so its very clearly the controversy not the actual player himself. Nadeshot also said that as a player sinatraa could make any team he is a part of better.
To not be able to understand intent and implication is what makes you childish, not the person you were replying to
Kuragari_ [#130]It doesn't make sense how their reputation as an org will be ruined when they let their players stream with a "sexual offender" (HE ISN'T LOL)
so saying that if Sinatraa goes back to the main roster will ruin their reputation as an org is weird because Zombs and Dapr usually play with Sinatraa on stream as a duo
zombs and dapr arent a business its different. Ofc the world are gonna look at them in that light simply because there was a chance in which sinatraa was a sexual offender and honestly none of us can say he was but none of us can say he wasnt. Thats the biggest thing that annoys me is the fact that people claim one or the other as fact and thats what is ruining sinatraas career and the internet most likely will never let him live it down
Kuragari_ [#131]Ong, which is weird since SEN members play with Sinatraa most of the time how tf does that not affect the reputation of the org but when Sinatraa goes back as a pro player for SEN it does? Plus Sinatraa is a "CONTENT CREATOR FOR SENTINELS" why are ppl ok with this but when Sinatraa might go back to the main roster it affects the reputation?
Now that Sinatraa is coming back to pro-play he's more relevant to the entire valorant community, previously unless you were a diehard sentinels fan or a Sinatra viewer it was pretty easy to forget him
Free [#132]2 completely different things youre just too much of a child to understand nuance
Cry is free
dino_brains [#137]Now that Sinatraa is coming back to pro-play he's more relevant to the entire valorant community, previously unless you were a diehard sentinels fan or a Sinatra viewer it was pretty easy to forget him
Sinatraa is literally the meme of valorant everybody knows him even if ur not a diehard or a Sinatraa fan. He's still relevant af even if he's not gonna go back to pro play and ALSO SEN PAYS HIM AND PPL KNOW THAT, HOW TF SOME OF YALL SWITCH UP WHEN HE'S GONNA GO BACK TO PRO PLAY LOL.
bagagarbage [#139]Only on VLR, a group full of men that would openly welcome and support Sinatraa, a sexual offender. I'm sick of you mfs
Cry more bozo. In America you are innocent until proven Guilty
Jav7FM [#141]Cry more bozo. In America you are innocent until proven Guilty
facts bro if hes proven so called "guilty" wheres the evidence? his ex has fucking only fans u degenerates
Slashyiguess [#96]surely sinatraa busted a nut with the amount of dickriding in this thread LMAO
can't be certain, but i did hear him say "I'm close"
kevshare [#127]"the experience she had and how its very closely related with what onlyfans entails" how in the world is her experience related to what onlyfans entails? also it was said that harassment and mental trauma were the reasons she put the case on hold. sa cases are really hard for the victims and often fail anyways. i think the audio clip is more than enough to believe her. also sinatraa said he had evidence but then never provided it and lied during the riot investigation, which btw you would cooperate if you had it because riot is in control of your career. i really think he just decided to take a 6 month for no cooperation rather than getting investigated truly
go back to her onlyfans page if u wanna simp for her
idk why tho she mid anyway 👎👎👎
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#31]I mean considering his ex started an onlyfans and shi, I have a hard time believing her
thats the weirdest way to look at things, and? So what. She's just trying to get money and provide for herself, just becuase she does onlyfans doesnt mean she's lying that she got raped. Like what the fuck is wrong with you
Unclebenmehover [#18]Dapr is a better controller than sick imo
He’s a good viper
Sick was ok on astra but I think he’s have more leeway to play aggressive on sentinel
oh ye ik hes a better a viper
Kuragari_ [#140]Sinatraa is literally the meme of valorant everybody knows him even if ur not a diehard or a Sinatraa fan. He's still relevant af even if he's not gonna go back to pro play and ALSO SEN PAYS HIM AND PPL KNOW THAT, HOW TF SOME OF YALL SWITCH UP WHEN HE'S GONNA GO BACK TO PRO PLAY LOL.
Nah bro, if you watch valorant streamers you're a die hard fan, average esports viewers watch the grand finals, there favourite teams games. Like if you're posting on VGG you're I the top 1% of valorant fans
kevshare [#29]yea obviously, in a fucking court of law. like he isnt legally guilty but the evidence is convincing enough for people to believe it. is it so crazy to believe that there are actually guilty people in the world that are not legally proven guilty? idk ab u but i dont base my morals off of the law.
good to know basic standards of procedure are thrown out the window in favor of "well bro its just obvious" lmfao.
IndiraGandhi [#133]People like you who judge others and take the law in their own hands are worse than Satwant and Beant Singh!
how am I taking the law into my own hands, also im not judging based on absolutely nothing, im judging based on the evidence ive seen. that evidence might not be enough to legally implicate him but its enough for me to believe it.
feelsbadboaster [#7]if you have to ask why, you need to seek help
you are the same type of person who would had pussyrided amber head and called Mr dep a mysogynist
JustHunter [#117]thats true and thats what sucks about this whole thing. Both parties are probably in the wrong at certain places but at the end of the day the person that benefits from this more is cleoh seeing as she doesnt have a massive online following that she has to maintain a reputation for while she could have single handedly ruined sinatraas entire existing and potentially future careers
bro what, there are way more sinatraa fanboys and his twitch career is at an all time high. he is now returning to pro play, that career path is also opening up for him.
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