Tenz and Tarik

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Im gonna say what needs to be said, we made the wrong people famous they clearly dont have any passion for valorant or valorant competitive from what im recently seeing from them my example of passion or drive to bring in more people to scene or game is like Caedrel or KeshaEuw from League of Legends only people im seeing having the passion to the game right now is FNS, Sliggy, TMV, Laz(jp)
And s0m (if he goes back to streaming), Mixwell and many others.

I dont care if im down voted for this but i just felt like voicing it.

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And dont forget mooda bcuz even if his annoying af his still entertaining the young kids which would bring in new people to the scene

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ah yes, thats what valorant needs more toxic kids

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So are we ignoring that toxic kids have been around since CS 1.3 and CODMW or nah? I still remember my friends being toxic in-game, always bantering, throwing racist jokes at each other or towards enemies, but all of us grew mature and laugh about the days of immaturity

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watching mooda doesnt make kids toxic... kids are already toxic asf anyways, he is kinda a scummy person but at least he has personality unlike the bozos that riot set as the "faces of valorant"

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yk I would've disagreed with you 10 years ago but with age I have now realized how insanely true this is. I was a toxic dickhead when I was younger too

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Dog no offense but how old are you?

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27 turning 28 this august

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You this guys boyfriend or why you know his bday?

You make me feel young again tho 🤗 thx

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lmaooooo

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what personality i thought his brand was built off looking like subroza initially lol

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lmao, yeah initially that was his persona, he built his own annoying personality later

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"personality" and its just him screaming and saying random brainrot terms

holy shit ROFLLLLL

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0/10 ragebait viewers made them famous. I also watched them and tuned in to their streams, even if by a small margin; I still made them richer, no matter the cent produced from my viewing of them. And anybody who watches them and made them famous can also criticize them.

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Yeah the world was a good a time when FPS game didnt have toxic teens. Wait

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Tarik moving to LA was the worst thing that could have happened. He doesn't give AF about the game anymore and has gone completely hollywood. It sucks. I still can't believe TenZ retired from pro play so early as well.

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People moving on in their life sucks? What a weird take

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But thats not the basis of his reply. He is saying Tarik has given up on the game and is still just farming subs but do not give a shit about pro play. how is that a weird take

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Based on your flair you're a sentinel fan i mean sure you can defend sentinels as a fan but you shouldn't defend people who are dispassionate for the scene or game in general

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?????
All I said that people moving on from things they don't enjoy anymore is not a bad thing?

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It’s not but when you sit out here and fake your enjoyment and fake your reactions to farm subs and money it’s taking away viewers from people who actually care about the game and could influence them

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Brother the game is shit and Riot is literally a shit version of Valve lmfaao

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Unfortunately true

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the little flicker of life in his eyes completely dulled out, there is nothing going on in his head anymore

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I don’t know that much about Tarik but Tenz is at least actively participating in valorant related global events.

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tarik was at the same valorant related global events as TenZ gang...

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i 100% agree, we just made the wrong guys famous.
League has Rat and Dom
Cs has Ohne
meanwhile we got dude's who are too spineless to have a opinion as they are scared if they hurt the egos of 18 year old parasocial k pop girls or basement dwelling emo boys 😔

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this is hypocritical bcos when pros complain about things you all laugh at them lmao

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Theres a difference between people pointing and laughing at pros and parasocial kpopified fans who want to white knight players.

I promise you If val streamers stopped giving a shit what they said And was worried about those KPOP fans, the pro val scene would get SOOOOOO much better by 70%

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and yet both are bad for the scene anyway. its literally only a few people on twitter, youre taking the extreme cases of a group and running with it bcos a buzzword has been mentioned to you. irl its really not even bad. how would them not caring about what they say not bring toxicity? thats all it does. nobody is stopping them from saying what they think, its the consequences they dont want to deal with lmao

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"we made" is wild lol you had nothing to do with it. They were both major mvps in their time. Also why do they HAVE to play val all the time?

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Sure they were famous inside the circle of cs but valorant made them famous you cant deny that stop being blind

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No one is asking him to play val all the time. But if you even watch 1 watch party of ohne or caedrel or IWD u can tell there is a BIG difference in passion for the Pro scene. Tarik does it because it fills his wallet, those 3 i mentioned does it because they care about the game and the scene.

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I don't even watch or play league and I've seen a bunch of caedrel, that says a lot. Most of the clips I've seen of tenz and tarik are them either fake reacting or complaining about something.

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Right now, I kinda agree

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Banger post

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I mean it's clear that their brand has just become bigger than only watching VCT. Which is fair because compared to other games like CS, watchpartying VCT is not a year-round schedule, there's long breaks in between that have to be filled with something.
So from a financial perspective, I would guess that their audience is so big that it's more about retaining viewership and fans with new/exciting content than trying to recruit new fans into the ValComp scene.

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Tenz does have while tarik clearly doesnt

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FNS should be the face of watch-partying
If the platchat boys (tmv, sliggy, sideshow,...) get more recognition instead of tarik that'd be great as well

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Thats what i felt aswell when watching fns and sliggy they always analyze and give feedback which shows passion for the game

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platchat people are not enjoyable to watch for mainstream viewers

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I mean if you don't care about insights or commentary you can always watch fns or shanks
or just watch the gameplay yourself

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Sliggy is very consistent in his streams both in number and quality so for mainstream watchers if anyone wants to have a watch party experience that is the way to go.

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tmv is always quite fun tbh. He does both analysis and jokes so it isn't too boring. I can't watch emea raw so I usually go to one of them so I don't fall asleep

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Pujan "ads every minute and a half" Mehta

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Has he gotten a better mic?

I liked his watchpartys but I could never get over how bad his audio would sound. I get that some people like that, but it wasn't for me.

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stopped watching tmv and shyo because they talk about tons of random stuff, especially shyo.I get some of the matches are boring tho but they legit miss so many good rounds and ignore setups and stuff

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Valorant just doesn't have any personalities that are enjoyable for mainstream viewers. You either get Tarik who barely cares about the game or Sliggy who hyper analyses things. There is no middle ground

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There is another who you forgot its FNS his actually really entertaining he somehow perfectly combined analysis and yapping with random shit which is he can somehow still follow the game

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during the 2g vs furia game he was yapping about Valorant pros and their counterparts in football and later he locked in during lev vs nrg game this shit was too funny

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learn some portuguese and watch tck and sacy streams, 0 regrets trust me

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Honestly I would like to understand what Sacy is saying, all the clips I have seen from him look great

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bro, he plays like seven hours of ranked a day, and after that, he does a five-hour watch party for Americas. Bro is a content machine, and you can tell he really loves Valorant

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sacy is so great for watchparties

feels like english-only viewers are suffering the most from a lack of passionate costreamers

and tenz-tarik viewers are absolutely not the kinds of people to venture into streams of other languages even for fun 🙃

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This is such a based take, I try my hardest not to watch tarik but when its a masters or champs and there are those montages of what players do, this guy's reactions are Always sooooo dead or just copy paste. Deadest streamer ive watched, at least when Sliggy raises his voice you know something good Went down.

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Yeah i get you tarik's reactions feels super fake to the point that viewers were calling him out with fake reaction which he then tries shrug off with by saying "fake reaction?!"

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I rem yesterday during g2 vs furia the plat chat guys were tryin not to be negative which resulted in fake-ish reactions n sb said they giving off tarik vibes lmaoo couldn't have said it better

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Agreed, but I don't think its their fault. Its just that there hasn't been anyone who could be equivalent of Caedral/Ohne in Valorant. Unironically for me Sideshow is likely the closest, but he is working in VCT so that ruins it and he maybe lacks that something that would make him huge. Tarik has historically had the views, but especially nowadays his costreams are so lifeless. Sliggy is good, but too analytical for mainstream and his chat is too moderated/strict. FNS is also pretty good, but he might just start arguing with someone in chat in middle of it or something. Or maybe it just is that Valorant community is also worse than that of League or CS. Feels more young and zoomer brained(NA effect?).

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Maybe but you have to remember cs then has young kids that are fanas same as League we just have to find someone that are actually passionate for the game like FNS

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100% agree that Sideshow is the closest Valorant equivalent of Caedral/Ohne. For some reason, he's just not as big when he has that perfect middle ground of silliness and passion.

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too old. I think this is actually the case. You need someone to appeal to the 14-26 demographic to be hot shit. Sideshow talks about boomer topics like politics plenty.

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unironically, dude's hella smart and they could actually learn a lot from him. besides, he's 2 years older than Tarik so wdym "too old"?

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oh i watch sideshow and i agree that he is a smart guy who is enjoyble to watch but he would never be considered "cool" and is too old in spirit to relateable to the younger audiences who determine what is fashionable. It is not just about literal age but what you are like as a person. Tarik still acts like a zoomer. Sideshow just doesnt to the same degree.

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i’m glad here in brazil we watch sacy streams and this bald beauty has a lot of passion for the game

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obviously hes in it for the money lmao hes old why would he care abt a valorant game

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Its not about being old but about having passion, you can be old still have the passion or drive to bring new people to the game that made you more famous than before its about the love for the game this also applies to irl like work, hobbies etc

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To an extent (far more with tenz than tarik) I do get why he's doing more than valorant ranked isn't fun when you play it 24/7 and there isn't really anything else to do in valorant so you go do something else though I do agree with your main point fully

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watch official y'all

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Official is actually unwatchable with their cringe ass desk segments and weird interviews.

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Some of them are goated though. Like the bren crashout on 2G. APAC used to be super fun with benkai showing up everywhere but I think GE took his soul

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Sliggy is a better alternative

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FNS and ardiis are probably the best things to watch rn for valorant, but ardiis barely streams

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What happened to Ardiis?

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he is not passionate about streaming

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cant blame him, bro took his check and moved onto better things

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Sacy love Valorant as well but he streams in portuguese

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he is a great face of val for portuguese side. That is very valuable. But english is still the biggest so its the most important spot. And Tarik/Tenz are just bad fills

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0/10 ragebait viewers made them famous. I also watched them and tuned in to their streams, even if by a small margin, I still made them richer, no matter the cent produced from my viewing of them, and anybody who watches them and made them famous can also criticize them.

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you seem like a butthurt fanboy. Really. why so bitchy and emotional?

Noone is talking about owing aynthing. Its just an objectively worse outcome to have a tarik type over a caedrel. Also i dont see a general complaint over the state of val watchparties. Just Those two specifically. With FNS back, shanks, sliggy, tmv, sideshow, the other language options like sacy, mixwell, squeezie/beyaz, rage ... there ar lots of options. Its just that those with the numbers to seriously help grow the game are hardly interested in it.

Tarik only does whatever his sen contract demands of him. Tenz is more interested in variety/irl streaming than valorant. Caedrel made his own fucking team that draws 150k viewers in T2. He watches all LEC games and lots of Korea. He actively grows the agem. He has passion.

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I'm not a fan of any of these streamers.
I just don't like how yall think they own you something when in reality they don't. And yes they were talking about owning, saying like "WE" made them is essentially the same as saying they own their success to the VAL community which is just not true.

Don't try to spin this around like I'm some vlr valorant dweller like you beacuse that's also not true and I'm not some butthurt fanboy either who watches them religiously. Like I said before, similar people attract each other and the fact that this terminally online 16bit 1 dimensional take got upvoted just proves what everyone been thinking about vlr anyways; that this community is full of terminally online parasocial entitled basement dwellers.

This community is a big pile of shit and "YOU" guys didn't make anyone famous or rich.

Fanboy take is especially hilarious coming from a guy who has 9k+ posts. Yall spend way too much crying about tarik, tenz or whoever the fuck.

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I just don't like how yall think they own you something when in reality they don't. And yes they were talking about owning, saying like "WE" made them is essentially the same as saying they own their success to the VAL community which is just not true.

That is just an interpretation of those words you chose to make. Owing is not what i took from it. Just a regretful lookback at the communities choices. Like this attention and time could have been invested better elsewhere.

Don't try to spin this around like I'm some vlr valorant dweller like you beacuse that's also not true and I'm not some butthurt fanboy either who watches them religiously. Like I said before, similar people attract each other and the fact that this terminally online 16bit 1 dimensional take got upvoted just proves what everyone been thinking about vlr anyways; that this community is full of terminally online parasocial entitled basement dwellers.

Okay, the very fact that you have been livid in this entire thread is at most an indictment of you very own self. Why does this anger you to this degree to write 10 huge blobs of text throwing insults and vitriol at people? Even in a world where you'd be correct this would be worrying behaviour. This is some trivial nonsense in the grand scheme of things. Absolutely not worth being this upset over.

This community is a big pile of shit and "YOU" guys didn't make anyone famous or rich.
Fanboy take is especially hilarious coming from a guy who has 9k+ posts. Yall spend way too much crying about tarik, tenz or whoever the fuck.

Well who are the viewers who fill the streamers pockets with all that money? The community at large. This post didnt claim vlr was solely responsible at all. Once again your own false interpretation. Their success however is a direct consequence of the people offering them their time and attention. That is 100% true. Doesnt mean the streamers owe anything however, that is also true. Its a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship.

And... more of this insult throwing anger. You sound like youre about to burst.

So to summarize: You made up your own interpretation of the post around the idea of "owing" and spat over your keyboard in rage insulting everybody. And you think the people here are the unhealthy ones? I shouldnt even have given you the time of day after all that and just moved on but maybe this is of some kind of help to you

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does the term parasocial even make any sense in this context? who am i even "parasocial" towards here?

You are either blinded by rage or genuinely just a very stupid person. Probably both.

Btw for someone seemingly obsessed with "basement dwellers" or "online losers" you yourself have the same level of maturity as those do.

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one day of self reflection could do wonders for your life. But i doubt thats every gonna happen.

Dont feel the need to reply to this comment. We are done here.

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I'd advise you to do the same.

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@Congo1 The guy is a ragebaiter lmao you shouldn't have wasted your time on him, probably an alt ACC or barely used ACC because he barely interacts here, shown by his low star.

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The latter. I only use this site to look back at some matches and stats. Sometimes I see a post title thats interesting and I read some comments. This one made me especially intrested after I've read the take, but looking back it was a grave mistake. Yall go on living like this making useless arguments, arguing about streamers or whatever the fuck you do all day. Go watch that mooda guy, he seems like a deeply intelligent person.

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holy fuck you're genuinely isufferable, and that last sentence, even if his annoying for adults, he's still bringing in kids that will help the future of the scene

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dawg for all the crap you've said about vlr users, I've seen threads of people in really bad spots and the community doesn't say a single toxic comment. Not a single fucking asshat comment in any of those threads. I've never seen that on any forum in my life. You have absolutely no right to spew this shit about an absolutely incredible community that you clearly know nothing about. Seriously there are much more constructive ways to have an argument here. Also looking down on people doesn't make your case look better man. You might not like mooda but he's still a person and you're doing exactly what you are accusing vlr of in your comment right here

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Yeah that's exactly why I deleted some of my comments because I realized I went too far. My other point still stands, the original take had no merit and was absolutely unjustified. Y'all gotta realize that streamers don't own you anything and flaming them for changing won't help the cause.

I still think the things I've read in this thread proves that many if not most vlr users are chronically online and parasocial about a number of things in the valorant scene. I've tried to understand where they were coming from but I came to the conclusion they just spent too much time on the internet and it shows. I'm not above anyone here for saying this, I could also belong in this group who knows, but unlike these people I don't start criticizing streamers or whoever the fuck for "changing" and losing interest in the game.

You can not sit there and tell me that none of the commenters suggested that "WE" made them famous so they own us "good" and enternaining watchparties. Some of you guys are so entitled for no reason.

I understand I came across as condescending, but do you really think ppl here give a fuck if I write civilized sentences or not? They'll call me ragebaiter for both, just because my opinion is different from the usual vlr poster.

At the end of the day it's just a videogame and it's not like Tarik or Tenz killed someone or did something horrible.
People change, can we stop harassing people for it or we're gonna act like childs.

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dawg I get your argument but no one is harassing tarik or tenz we're literally just having a discussion. Reading your comments makes it sound like we've already started a witch hunt online for them. It's literally one thread on vlr which they are probably never gonna read. Besides the op never said they didn't deserve success or that they are bad for doing what they are. In fact most of the people in this thread understand why they are doing what they are doing and are just sad that that's how it turned out. If your favorite youtuber became a sellout you'd be sad but you'd understand it. You may stop watching them but that's your decision. No one is being a creep here or claiming that they made the streamer and they owe them everything. Yes the op said "we made the wrong people famous" but even if he was dead serious about it literally no one else in the thread thinks that and frankly I'm pretty sure he was just exaggerating to bait/encourage interactions.

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The fact that this guy got multiple different very understanding and mature responses such as yours is actually really impressive for vlr.

Guy is an asshole tho straight up.

continue thread →

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@Congo1 You took the words right out of my mouth, holy!

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KESHA IS CRAZY.

nah but fr tho tarik is like the most souless co streamer every and just formants his opinions on the chat. and Tenz does not give a shit about the game anymore

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grass is green ahh take, its also the communitys fault, people hating on sliggy because his to quiet or shanks because of his community but they know more about the val comp scene than most people

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jarvis post that one gif of all the buzz lightyears in their toy boxes

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They were famous prior to valorant... while in others generally speaking weren't... hence the distinction their brand is bigger than just valorant. Sliggy, TMV, FNS? they all have essentially nothing outside of valorant. Not even shade just objectively true... Tarik is apart of a bigger circle beyond valorant and Tenz just retired from competing since you were able to compete... and doing watch parties when he wasn't up until he retired. Makes sense he not as invested as them currently.

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That's what I'm saying. These terminally online dwellers are straight up just spewing bullshit. This thread was a sad read man

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you can’t call tenz dispassionate when he’s actually uses his platform to voice his criticisms about the game and legit makes riot notice enough to actually do something, and every time he says something yall just say he complains too much

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he doesnt criticize the game, he just bitches all day bc its not cs, and he likes cs, and the only reason he switched was bc he wasnt good enough for cs

fns actually criticizes the game, he says what could be improved and actually points out flaws instead of whining every time he dies to a neon slide/omen flash

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It's very interesting how two extremely successful retired pros have nearly opposite takes on the game. FNS would've wanted to win soo much more and frankly it must've been pretty hard to stay and watch matches when he had to retire. He deserves a lot more respect imo

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literally everything you just praised fns for doing, tenz has also gone on the record on stream doing also as well as numerous tweets that have suggested things to add to the game and lengthy comments of the issues about tier 2 to bring to light things everyone else has already talked about before. he’s even praised some of the changes that he thinks are more beneficial to the game’s competitive integrity LMAO so if anything you’re just choosing to ignore his actual criticisms

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Literally most of the interactions I’ve seen of tenz are stream clips where he dies to a very normal piece of util and then throws a tantrum. You are right, he has some genuine criticisms of the game, and as of recent has had some good takes, but the way he presents himself on stream barely playing valorant, and when playing valorant just crying all the time, is not a good look for the supposed face of valorant.

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ngl TenZ should do more variety streaming so he can complain less about Valorant.

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what do they owe the community? are we a caveman tribe? ooga booga they are complete strangers who want nothing to do w u and me.

there's nothing wrong w having an opinion but yours just seems like a symptom of parasocial relationships

tarik is incapable of having opinions but id take his 7 figure salary to be a "spineless" streamer

YOU did nothing, they took their opportunities and became multi millionaires xD

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Again, as the point of this post, they have no passion or love for the game; that is my concern, not them becoming multi-millionaires. And no, I'm not being parasocial; I'm showing concern about the scene and want an actual face of Valorant who shows love for the game.

You lingered way too long to money this money that, etc., which makes me think you're just jealous of their money when we're talking about passion for the game.

You, defending these dispassionate people, is what keeps them believing what they're doing is right for the scene

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LMAO

according to my calculations u are experiencing jealousy, one of the six paths of pain (naruto)

im not jealous, and this reply is ridiculous xD

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You are acting like these people never cared about the game. The biggest issue driving them away from Valorant is the state that the game is in. Why would anyone enjoy a game where they are forced to have a delay to even play a normal ranked game without being stream sniped.

And lets not act like Ohne cares about the game that much. Yes his watchparties feel more passionate but he rarely plays the game, and when he does it is mostly for skins and not the main gameplay.

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All the largest content creators that have been popular in valorant got there bc they were very good at the game at one point the val community barely cares for personality examples being can/ion the latest to blow up in the scene since mooda for very obv reason also i feel like if ur a streamer for valorant thats not very good youll develop a chat that loves to joke and flames when you miss. You really have to love the game bc for streaming i think its a very mid experience. Anyways Spicyuuu clears all

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yes spicyuuu is a very good choice if u want ear damage after one of her very quiet streams

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https://x.com/tenzofficial/status/1923961331960643860?s=46&t=mXQ3v86P-bFdlt3oyO2OoQ

Tenz obviously cares about the game and speaks out on the awful state of it. It’s really up to Riot to listen and make changes but they don’t.

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ok, fair. I didn't see this past post.

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stopped watching tarik after 2023 champions , at least he was funny and didnt puss out unlike now

tenz started to drift away from valorant more since he left sentinels as a cc. personally i dont watch his watchparties cuz guy has the personality of a chair but at least riot listen to him when it comes to issues about the game

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no riot fuckin doesnt. 90% of tenz's "issues" with val is that its not cs, whether it be the movement, gunplay, amount of util. riot is not out of their minds to not pander to endless whining and tantrums

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cs should literally be THE example for any 5v5 tac fps in terms of what should be prioritized,every other game that tries too hard to rely on some gimmick instead of making the games foundation stable always meet the same fate,every single game like that the majority of the player base always reminisces about the "good old days" cause the games always go to shit in the end

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I think valorant has done a pretty good job remaining different. People shit on the game when it came out as a cs clone and now people think it's not clone enough? Idk man I think more games should try more gimmicks so we don't have ten reskins of the same game but yea there are definitely things you should prioritize but hopefully not arrive at the same conclusions as other games.

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well were 5 years in and ppl are already bored of valorant content and ranked,plenty of pros are already complaining the game is too ability based which i already saw happening years ago,just the concept of constantly adding new characters with completely unique abilities is gonna make it so hard for devs to keep the game interesting and good for pros and serious players at the same time,and not a single game has figured out the formula yet

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Fair enough but I feel like people are still very stuck in finding a particular formula for valorant. There are many many ways to win in this game and frankly there's no correct way to play valorant. That's why I love PRX they are insanely creative and refuse to follow a set meta. Granted they do suffer for it but I think that makes it a lot more entertaining. I think not figuring out the formula is a blessing to keep the game interesting but yea ability overload is gonna be hard. We're gonna start seeing repeating ideas a lot in the future because there are only so many abilities that they can add. Anyways it's just a game and I'll play it while my friends are on it and I'm still enjoying it after which I'll move on. If they achieve league levels of success then that would be a miracle and I'm all for it.

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Valorant is still young compared to Cs and League the scene or the game in general is still figuring out whats best for the game

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" League the scene or the game in general is still figuring out whats best for the game"
well thats the problem that im talking about xd

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Valorant is very similar to cs. The gameplay loop is the same, the economy system is the same, gunplay is very similar, maps are similar enough, movement style is somewhat similar, ttk is very similar.

Valorant doesn’t need to be cs. Cs is a great game, but so is valorant. It shares what it needs to with cs, but it also has a complete identity of its own. Removing elements of uniqueness bc “cs is better” hinders progress, especially as valorant moves forward and creates its own identity.

I’ll tell you this, if the gunplay was as spray-y (couldn’t think of a better word) as cs, rounds would be way more cancer, as with the amount of util flying across your screen having to hit a full spray would be much harder. It works in cs bc the movement is much more tailor made to it, so it doesn’t feel as jank.

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tenz made valorant famous tho

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Read my post again, I said " from what I'm seeing RECENTLY" not the early days.

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Yeah i am saying, tenz should be saying he made the wrong game famous not the other way round lol

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You mean The esports of val right and not the game?

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I feel like this is pretty stupid on the tenz side, like why are we acting as if he wasnt the biggest source of many new players into valorant during its early stage? And even now he speaks on comp and pro scene and how it needs changes to be better, the entire PC situation quite literally did not happen until he spoke on it, despite other pros having previously talked about it. And the other truth is, valorant just does not offer anything besides comp to enjoy.

CS has cases, league just has far more things to experiments (builds, characters) and skins. Valorants only content is comp and that gets brutally tiring after a while and I just think tarik is tired of it now. Valorant is just not fun when youve already reached the rank you want and youve already played the gameplay loop way too many times. I dropped Rivals and OW2 for the same reason, after a while it gets boring because there is nothing else to do.

And lastly, it was never up to us to make anyone famous. They were either enjoyable, or good enough to support and watch. I mainly watch FNS and Sliggy, but I dont think many people would want to play the game more because of 2 people that barely even play the game and just watch party for the most part.

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Hence, the original meaning of this post, they just don't have the passion or love to continue growing the scene anymore, like Caedrel in League, for example, if you're not familiar.

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I dont think it is a lack of passion as much as it is a lack of what to make content on day in and day out. Yes, I know caedral, and you should also know just much more stuff caedral can get from league than any val creators gret from val

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dont worry we made joshseki famous tho hes saving valorant

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this is scarily similar to cancel culture

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grow a fucking spine or a brain man either one will help you actually comprehend what op is trying to say

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"we"

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I agree with ur opinion of tarik - dude's streams are the equivalent of eating a cardboard box. tenz is fine though.

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Yeah, saw some tweet I missed, but he looks like he still cares for the scene in general, albeit he rarely plays or streams Val.

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eh W take iguess

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worst part is that tenz doesnt even like the game... he consistently says core mechanics such as util, movement, and gunplay should more closely mirror cs, without actually explaining why other than "its better in cs" sure he plays i some showmatches but riot and other sponsors just love eating his dick up because he has some fame, when in reality all he does on stream is whine like a little bitch about everything. at least last year he actually played pro so he could actually promote vct positively and people would actually want to join, but now he is the most vanilla crybaby ever.

dont even get me started on tarik bro has the personality of room temperature tap water. all hes good for is clickbait thumbnails where hes doing some variation of the pog face for the 100000th time. yk what at least tenz played pro for a few years before being a bitch, tarik was riots bitch from the start. zero personailty to be a caster, but also too shit to become a pro. literally just there to pull in a few extra views because hes a familiar face to latch on to.

both these clowns have ai personalities i stg, nothing but crickets going on in their heads. hope they both fall off and people who are actually entertaining and passionate like fns take the top spot.

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well idk about Tarik

but Tenz said it blatantly he dislike the state of the game and he spoke multiple times on behalf of pro players and we saw riot made some actions off his words so a person who actually have passion to the game will consistently criticize the game to influence the developers to improve the game.

ty

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Tarik feels so fake nowadays man...idk back in the day whenever he says something or does something it felt genuine...but nowadays bro feels like a sheep and glazes chats opinions instead of his own...so I stopped watching him anyways

Sliggy has been my watchparty goat and he's been that for a while now for me personally...I don't watch much else of twitch in general

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the only reason i watch LoL majors is bc of caedral. im almost positive not a single person would say that about tarik.

genuinely just zero passion, its not his fault, i cant blame him for not being passionate about it, its just a shame he still pulls the audience he does, i wish we had a better face for the scene

ill forever be grateful for what tenz did for the scene, but i wish he just leave instead of dragging the game that he obviously doesnt want to play anymore

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Caedrel is the goat! I mean the rat!

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Tarik streaming CS2 right now smh..

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Thats perfectly fine. Its better even. Makes it more fun to interact across communities and can bring new people in.

Ohne is for example in talks to costream champs finals which would be really cool.

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oh? Is that true because usually, he would banter with VLR frogs in his chat to switch to cs lmaoo ohne is fucking hilarious

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t0nz and t0rik are not even the same class as the goat caedrel

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sadly true