spg are overrated cope

omg they scrimmed fnc and th

sadly scrims do not matter in the slightest, you cant convince me team heretics care about winning a scrim, probably only play to test new comps/execs/ideas

anyways spg was 2 rounds away from losing the grand finals vs boom, boom has improved massively, yet boom is ranked bottom tier and spg is top tier LMFAOOO bc of scrims

people keep using this cope about spg not playing well, does a team that play well in scrims but has off days in grand finals sound like a top5 team??

they are in no way better than t1, geng, drx, talon, or prx so 6th at best, and they are in the same tier as boom, rrq, and probably most other teams.. apac is going to be competitive this year

BOOM went into their regional Stage 2 final from the lower bracket and went to 5 maps to make it to Ascension, where they lost to SPG twice (the first time was 13-3 13-9 for SPG)

SPG haven't lost a series since January 2024

cloudberry [#2]

BOOM went into their regional Stage 2 final from the lower bracket and went to 5 maps to make it to Ascension, where they lost to SPG twice (the first time was 13-3 13-9 for SPG)

SPG haven't lost a series since January 2024

i also haven't lost a series since January 2024 and i am undefeated against aspas
am i a top vct player???

cloudberry [#2]

BOOM went into their regional Stage 2 final from the lower bracket and went to 5 maps to make it to Ascension, where they lost to SPG twice (the first time was 13-3 13-9 for SPG)

SPG haven't lost a series since January 2024

bro thinks Ascension wins are gonna translate to VCT wins

nobody___100 [#3]

i also haven't lost a series since January 2024 and i am undefeated against aspas
am i a top vct player???

yo wait i also haven't lost a series since January 2024 and am undefeated vs aspas

rare L, spg will be top 3 apac this year come back when they win pacific league

Boom at their PEAK lost to SPG get these fraudulent arguments out of here

rare W finally you saying something that isnt bait

scrims do matter
look at nrg last year and their outcomes
dogshit teams

and u cant use rounds to justify how good someone is
heretics were 2 rounds away from losing vs FPX (china team WEAKEST region), and unfortunately you cant use this to defend
dogshit dogshit team

SPG is winning pacific

cameran [#9]

scrims do matter
look at nrg last year and their outcomes
dogshit teams

and u cant use rounds to justify how good someone is
heretics were 2 rounds away from losing vs FPX (china team WEAKEST region), and unfortunately you cant use this to defend
dogshit dogshit team

its depends,winning or being good in scrims means way less than being bad in scrims in most situations,the only thing that seperates the top and bottom teams in this game is mentality and mindset and thats why so many teams can wipe anyone in a meaningless scrim but cant replicate it in a actual high pressure environment

cloudberry [#2]

BOOM went into their regional Stage 2 final from the lower bracket and went to 5 maps to make it to Ascension, where they lost to SPG twice (the first time was 13-3 13-9 for SPG)

SPG haven't lost a series since January 2024

so if apeks won 2023 ascension you'd place them top 5 emea?

darklord69 [#12]

so if apeks won 2023 ascension you'd place them top 5 emea?

Apeks lost their two best players by far, so no

"anyways spg was 2 rounds away from losing the grand finals vs boom, boom has improved massively, yet boom is ranked bottom tier and spg is top tier LMFAOOO bc of scrims"

It's actually insane how badly Boom is getting rated in comparison to spg when they should be within 3 spots of each other max in any power ranking.

cameran [#9]

scrims do matter
look at nrg last year and their outcomes
dogshit teams

and u cant use rounds to justify how good someone is
heretics were 2 rounds away from losing vs FPX (china team WEAKEST region), and unfortunately you cant use this to defend
dogshit dogshit team

geng best team of the year in 2024 was also 2 rounds away from losing to FPX, top 3 china can easily take on teams from other regions. the regional finals of china is weighted less which is fine because you are right about it being the weakest region now but the top half of china and top half of other regions are not as big of a difference as you make it out to be

you're right but then again pacific is genuinely an awful region and 90% of their teams are clueless, doesn't take much effort to look good there

shut up man

Hades_Loves_Rb [#7]

Boom at their PEAK lost to SPG get these fraudulent arguments out of here

spg was at their peak too and it was 17-15 in map 5 lol

boom upgraded their roster

cameran [#9]

scrims do matter
look at nrg last year and their outcomes
dogshit teams

and u cant use rounds to justify how good someone is
heretics were 2 rounds away from losing vs FPX (china team WEAKEST region), and unfortunately you cant use this to defend
dogshit dogshit team

saying scrims matter but being 2 rounds away from winning the grand finals doesnt is the ultimate braindead retard low iq cope ive ever seen

pls find god, allah, yahweh whatever u call god just find him and pray for help

Taruuu1 [#4]

bro thinks Ascension wins are gonna translate to VCT wins

bleed were scrim demons too

the jokes write themselves

gamergirl [#20]

bleed were scrim demons too

the jokes write themselves

was this before or after they lost juicy and nephh?

true

thatpower [#21]

was this before or after they lost juicy and nephh?

with yay they were dominating scrims

gamergirl [#20]

bleed were scrim demons too

the jokes write themselves

Was this before or after they realized they weren't getting paid?

(This is unrelated to this thread, I'm just curious cuz I wasn't keeping up with scrimbux then so idk)

That grand final was the best we’ve ever seen BOOM at, and was a below average game for spg

Blue_Iced_Tea [#25]

That grand final was the best we’ve ever seen BOOM at, and was a below average game for spg

This sounds and smells like insane copium. I think you are proving gamergirl right with this...

gamergirl [#19]

saying scrims matter but being 2 rounds away from winning the grand finals doesnt is the ultimate braindead retard low iq cope ive ever seen

pls find god, allah, yahweh whatever u call god just find him and pray for help

like i said, cant use how close someone is from winning as a defense to how good someone is

and stop saying the hard r, not nice

cameran [#27]

like i said, cant use how close someone is from winning as a defense to how good someone is

and stop saying the hard r, not nice

youre using scrims tho LMFAOOOOO

1243 [#6]

rare L, spg will be top 3 apac this year come back when they win pacific league

yo remind me when ur wrong

gamergirl [#28]

youre using scrims tho LMFAOOOOO

scrims will always matter, but disregard that for our argument, but what i said about rounds is right

cloudberry [#2]

BOOM went into their regional Stage 2 final from the lower bracket and went to 5 maps to make it to Ascension, where they lost to SPG twice (the first time was 13-3 13-9 for SPG)

SPG haven't lost a series since January 2024

remind me when your wrong spg arent top 5

cameran [#30]

scrims will always matter, but disregard that for our argument, but what i said about rounds is right

what u said about rounds is just objectively wrong bro

glittering_yard [#10]

SPG is winning pacific

remind me when ur wrong

elysxxm [#32]

what u said about rounds is just objectively wrong bro

nope, just because someone was 2 rounds away from losing doesnt make them around the same skill level

Blue_Iced_Tea [#25]

That grand final was the best we’ve ever seen BOOM at, and was a below average game for spg

surely you think boom will preform better in t1 right lmao? spg show they can barely get it done against the "worst pacific team" in B05's. if boom were playing their best which im not denying (they prob play better in t1) then why does everyone rate them worst in apac if their potential is within 2 rounds of winning against a projected top 4 team?

cameran [#30]

scrims will always matter, but disregard that for our argument, but what i said about rounds is right

scrims matter, the results of them do not though.

FPX are really good, they went to OT twice with heretics and lost to sentinels in lowers? so idk wym

sentinels were scrim demons in 2023, bleed 2024,

rounds might not justify how good a team is, but when you factor into that boom was also in the grand finals, but not only that, were in map 5 of the grand finals you can definitely say the teams are close

there is no such thing as a "dominant" win in a 5 map series that goes to overtime, theres just no evidence to prove that

cameran [#34]

nope, just because someone was 2 rounds away from losing doesnt make them around the same skill level

you forget it also went 5 maps bro, 5 maps with spg having map advantage , and OT on bind (a map they have a 83% winrate on) lmao keep coping bro

elysxxm [#37]

you forget it also went 5 maps bro, 5 maps with spg having map advantage , and OT on bind (a map they have a 83% winrate on) lmao keep coping bro

boom was up 11-6 on map 5 btw

if anyone "fluked" it was spg

gamergirl [#38]

boom was up 11-6 on map 5 btw

if anyone "fluked" it was spg

and the round they won to win the game was a 1v3 lmao, keeps getting better the game was way close than just "2 rounds" when u think abt it

elysxxm [#39]

and the round they won to win the game was a 1v3 lmao, keeps getting better the game was way close than just "2 rounds" when u think abt it

it was like a millisecond away from the defuse too

spg fluked hard thank god boom god promoted anyways

neilzinho said it wasn't just one scrim, it was multiple over the course of Shanghai

I don't think they'll be better than T1, GENG or PRX, but I can see them beating the others if they're in good form

Aayan [#41]

neilzinho said it wasn't just one scrim, it was multiple over the course of Shanghai

I don't think they'll be better than T1, GENG or PRX, but I can see them beating the others if they're in good form

fnatic also went 0-2 in shanghai and didnt look that good, are we sure we wanna count their scrims? it cleary wasnt a fnatic at their best

elysxxm [#42]

fnatic also went 0-2 in shanghai and didnt look that good, are we sure we wanna count their scrims? it cleary wasnt a fnatic at their best

neilzinho is the coach for TH, not fnatic

Aayan [#41]

neilzinho said it wasn't just one scrim, it was multiple over the course of Shanghai

I don't think they'll be better than T1, GENG or PRX, but I can see them beating the others if they're in good form

nobody is disputing they're good in scrims

im saying for a team like spg vs fnc in scrims there is just 100% motivation from spg to win and 0% from fnc/th to win

fnatic/th are only playing scrims to test out new comps, try out new strats, and build chemistry

there's a reason teams play out all rounds in scrims, you can lose 26-0, and have benefited more than the team winning

elysxxm [#37]

you forget it also went 5 maps bro, 5 maps with spg having map advantage , and OT on bind (a map they have a 83% winrate on) lmao keep coping bro

cope for who? im just making objective statements no?

Aayan [#43]

neilzinho is the coach for TH, not fnatic

neilzinho is a bum final arguement

cameran [#45]

cope for who? im just making objective statements no?

saying two rounds isnt close is as subjective as it gets lol

elysxxm [#31]

remind me when your wrong spg arent top 5

I never said they were top 5

cloudberry [#48]

I never said they were top 5

thats what others are saying (including the original post) just included it cus u used being undefeated as a point

gamergirl [#44]

nobody is disputing they're good in scrims

im saying for a team like spg vs fnc in scrims there is just 100% motivation from spg to win and 0% from fnc/th to win

fnatic/th are only playing scrims to test out new comps, try out new strats, and build chemistry

there's a reason teams play out all rounds in scrims, you can lose 26-0, and have benefited more than the team winning

yeah, I agree with you on all of that

What I'm just tryna say is what neilzinho said that they in particular stood out to them among all their scrim partners (I'm only saying this from memory but I think he said they scrimmed several CN + PAC tier 2 teams, and SPG were the one of the few that really stood out)

If people are really putting them over T1, GENG and PRX, then yeah I agree they're being overrated but otherwise I don't think so, they can realistically place anywhere from 4th - 8th imo

cameran [#45]

cope for who? im just making objective statements no?

your so subjective especially with the context of that series and last map

cloudberry [#24]

Was this before or after they realized they weren't getting paid?

(This is unrelated to this thread, I'm just curious cuz I wasn't keeping up with scrimbux then so idk)

when everyone was hating on yay a lot of people were coming out saying him alogn with bleed were playing amazingly in scrims

this was to justify yay on duelist i think, but in officials he was really bad on duelist

elysxxm [#46]

neilzinho is a bum final arguement

im ngl i think u just saw the fnatic flair and very poorly attempted to ragebait me
(sorry if not, but you just gotta expect the worst from people on this site unfortunately)

gamergirl [#47]

saying two rounds isnt close is as subjective as it gets lol

yea someone being 2 rounds away from winning doesnt make them close to them same skill leve as the team that won, and again just like the example i gave

elysxxm [#49]

thats what others are saying (including the original post) just included it cus u used being undefeated as a point

I'm saying they're better than BME

Aayan [#53]

im ngl i think u just saw the fnatic flair and very poorly attempted to ragebait me
(sorry if not, but you just gotta expect the worst from people on this site unfortunately)

wasnt meant as a ragebait i just assumed u were talking abt fnatic cus of the flair and idk who heretics and fnatics coaches are

cloudberry [#55]

I'm saying they're better than BME

fair

cameran [#54]

yea someone being 2 rounds away from winning doesnt make them close to them same skill leve as the team that won, and again just like the example i gave

fpx was objectively close to heretics

they went to ot twice lol

Aayan [#50]

yeah, I agree with you on all of that

What I'm just tryna say is what neilzinho said that they in particular stood out to them among all their scrim partners (I'm only saying this from memory but I think he said they scrimmed several CN + PAC tier 2 teams, and SPG were the one of the few that really stood out)

If people are really putting them over T1, GENG and PRX, then yeah I agree they're being overrated but otherwise I don't think so, they can realistically place anywhere from 4th - 8th imo

there is no logical reason for them to be over drx or talon either

anything above 6th is delulu

gamergirl [#52]

when everyone was hating on yay a lot of people were coming out saying him alogn with bleed were playing amazingly in scrims

this was to justify yay on duelist i think, but in officials he was really bad on duelist

think with yay legija also explained how he had some sort of severe performance anxiety with him on senti

but yeah i dont think scrims are everything, theres always a weird thing with fans freaking out about winning every scrim when thats usually never the case

moreso to get reps, to experiment on certain concepts or whatever but you seem to know this as this isnt a crazy concept

gamergirl [#59]

there is no logical reason for them to be over drx or talon either

anything above 6th is delulu

Just gonna have to agree to disagree tbh
Those teams can certainly beat them, and vise versa but I really don't think it's as clear cut as you're saying

Aayan [#61]

Just gonna have to agree to disagree tbh
Those teams can certainly beat them, and vise versa but I really don't think it's as clear cut as you're saying

not even g2 was that good immediately from ascension

they needed leaf and icy to do big things

idk i think i would go with what pros and coaches of Pacific and EMEA are saying about NS/SPG. Its not wrong for people to put them top 5 and no one is putting them in top 3 anyway.

apac is going to be competitive this year

I hope so, last year the top-mid teams kinda inconsistent so much

DrudaL [#64]

apac is going to be competitive this year

I hope so, last year the top-mid teams kinda inconsistent so much

w

Dambi said they couldn't hear anything because people were beating drums in the grand final. It is not just off days

Jojoba9 [#66]

Dambi said they couldn't hear anything because people were beating drums in the grand final. It is not just off days

yes plus they were about to 3-0 them as well ... SPG are way better than Boom no doubt

nobody___100 [#3]

i also haven't lost a series since January 2024 and i am undefeated against aspas
am i a top vct player???

Silver rank doesn't matter

cloudberry [#13]

Apeks lost their two best players by far, so no

soulass top 2 lmao

SPG is top 8 at BEST at worst top 11

acels [#70]

SPG is top 8 at BEST at worst top 11

I love reading messages of people whining over scrims when they mean botton of the barrel of nothing.

They are never gonna play top form tryhard a scrim with strats. Just never gonna happen sorry those who want scrims to mean something

Slimee [#71]

I love reading messages of people whining over scrims when they mean botton of the barrel of nothing.

They are never gonna play top form tryhard a scrim with strats. Just never gonna happen sorry those who want scrims to mean something

tru scrims mean nothing

cloudberry [#13]

Apeks lost their two best players by far, so no

bro didn't read 😭and even if we're talking about 2024 apeks, do you think they'd be top 5 with their 2 best players?

It still convinces me that they are shooters if they can easily beat teams like those in scrims. They're scary no matter what

gamergirl [#18]

spg was at their peak too and it was 17-15 in map 5 lol

boom upgraded their roster

"spg was at their peak too"
you are judging them without seeing any of their game before

They ll be good but not top 3 good, they lack the experience

gamergirl [#18]

spg was at their peak too and it was 17-15 in map 5 lol

boom upgraded their roster

SPG was infact not at their peak, if at all they were more 'mid' that game compared to other games

I bet you if boom won ascension and spg were the ones that got in through bleed’s spot, everyone’s tierlist still wouldn’t change

danii1 [#74]

It still convinces me that they are shooters if they can easily beat teams like those in scrims. They're scary no matter what

i think they will be 6th which is very respectable considering how good apac will be

gamergirl [#79]

i think they will be 6th which is very respectable considering how good apac will be

who is above them?

1243 [#80]

who is above them?

prx geng t1 are pretty obvious but i believe in drx and talon roster to be better in the season

i do think spg are better than the rest of the teams but talon is a team that matches ivy and persia with aim but also has much better coaching atm, frost gets a lot out of pretty average players

gamergirl [#81]

prx geng t1 are pretty obvious but i believe in drx and talon roster to be better in the season

i do think spg are better than the rest of the teams but talon is a team that matches ivy and persia with aim but also has much better coaching atm, frost gets a lot out of pretty average players

hey man, we'll see if eg and edg can win tournaments even though they weren't considered good before the year started, anyone can.
i personally have dfm, spg and t1 top 3 apac, spicy takes for a spicy regions (unlike emea)

omg they scrimmed fnc and th

omg they scrimmed 2 bum teams from a 0 trophy region

I see your point, they're probably overrated if all of their clout is from boaster and minibum defenders

babysasuke [#83]

omg they scrimmed fnc and th

omg they scrimmed 2 bum teams from a 0 trophy region

I see your point, they're probably overrated if all of their clout is from boaster and minibum defenders

rest

gamergirl [#84]

rest

💤

babysasuke [#83]

omg they scrimmed fnc and th

omg they scrimmed 2 bum teams from a 0 trophy region

I see your point, they're probably overrated if all of their clout is from boaster and minibum defenders

watch francis and persia play, prime babybay

i don't think they're top 3 but they have a lot more potential than boom considering they were 2 rounds away from winning ascension without losing a map

1243 [#86]

watch francis and persia play, prime babybay

now I'm interested 🤔

it's a bold claim though

babysasuke [#88]

now I'm interested 🤔

it's a bold claim though

tune in! they play bold, superstar players in all roles most likely

https://www.vlr.gg/430829/boom-esports-vs-zol-esports-predator-league-asia-pacific-2025-c kekw

the only team that is overrated is your paper garbage watch how spg destroy paper trash in kickoff spg will be top 4 mark my words

boom underrated. whole tier 2 teams underrated. they can casually win against tier 1 teams

idk where you got your spg scrim results considering they're APAC and TH never went to apac this offseason while fnc went to tokyo for a riot tournament for only a week.
SPG are by far one of the strongest ascension teams and I think most people have them making playoffs 90% of the time unless we get a 2018 runaway to vancouver titans type of falloff where the entire team decides to just leave.
They have really strong mechanics and an unique playstyle so I think they'll be the next strong korean team after GenG considering the DRX 2023 complete rebuild incident.

elysxxm [#35]

surely you think boom will preform better in t1 right lmao? spg show they can barely get it done against the "worst pacific team" in B05's. if boom were playing their best which im not denying (they prob play better in t1) then why does everyone rate them worst in apac if their potential is within 2 rounds of winning against a projected top 4 team?

What makes u think boom will perform better in t1? They’re still losing to t2 teams in offseason tournaments. Meanwhile nongshim is dominating scrims (which admittedly don’t weigh that much, but it’s still better than boom). I definitely don’t think that Nongshim are a top 4 team, but they’re still better than many t1 teams in apac. If boom can catch them on an off day while they’re at their peak with home crowd buff AND STILL NOT BEAT THEM, that’s definitely deserving of 12th

Blue_Iced_Tea [#94]

What makes u think boom will perform better in t1? They’re still losing to t2 teams in offseason tournaments. Meanwhile nongshim is dominating scrims (which admittedly don’t weigh that much, but it’s still better than boom). I definitely don’t think that Nongshim are a top 4 team, but they’re still better than many t1 teams in apac. If boom can catch them on an off day while they’re at their peak with home crowd buff AND STILL NOT BEAT THEM, that’s definitely deserving of 12th

Sen lost to t2 teams last year, gent lost to t2 last year, nrg lost to a t2 this year I don’t think off season results matter. Boom don’t deserve 12th but I’m not saying their good, like 9-11th place good

Whys everyone yapping here? SPG > Primmie thats all that matters. End of discussion.

onefps [#93]

idk where you got your spg scrim results considering they're APAC and TH never went to apac this offseason while fnc went to tokyo for a riot tournament for only a week.
SPG are by far one of the strongest ascension teams and I think most people have them making playoffs 90% of the time unless we get a 2018 runaway to vancouver titans type of falloff where the entire team decides to just leave.
They have really strong mechanics and an unique playstyle so I think they'll be the next strong korean team after GenG considering the DRX 2023 complete rebuild incident.

TH and FNC may not have both been in apac this off-season, but where were they before the off-season that spg was???

onefps [#93]

idk where you got your spg scrim results considering they're APAC and TH never went to apac this offseason while fnc went to tokyo for a riot tournament for only a week.
SPG are by far one of the strongest ascension teams and I think most people have them making playoffs 90% of the time unless we get a 2018 runaway to vancouver titans type of falloff where the entire team decides to just leave.
They have really strong mechanics and an unique playstyle so I think they'll be the next strong korean team after GenG considering the DRX 2023 complete rebuild incident.

TH and FNC were both in shanghai and champs