I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

Better team doesn't = better region

the more better teams = the better the region

NRG and EG made it top 4 and LOUD did just have an off tourny

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

What does that make EMEA's 2-5th best teams?

NA too humble doesn't want to make a super-team like SHITMEA because they like challenges

pugboy [#4]

Better team doesn't = better region

the more better teams = the better the region

NRG and EG made it top 4 and LOUD did just have an off tourny

agreed that's why NA is shit

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

Zerphyr1 [#9]

agreed that's why NA is shit

bro is lost in the sauce

melodymur [#8]

NA too humble doesn't want to make a super-team like SHITMEA because they like challenges

You can't make a superteam that's better than fnatic. You just can't, you don't have such talent. You're only lucky that Liquid isn't hitting shots as of now because we'd be seeing TL vs FNC grand finals every event.

Nearest Airport are overjoyed that finally 1 other team than Optic fluked their way into the grand finals. Waiting for the reality check to given at champs, because not a single team other than Optic has ever been in the top 4 for 2 years, and they call us a 1 team region 😹😹

pugboy [#4]

Better team doesn't = better region

the more better teams = the better the region

NRG and EG made it top 4 and LOUD did just have an off tourny

would you rather have 1st and 5th team or 2nd and 4th team? not that big of a difference tbh

dapada [#14]

would you rather have 1st and 5th team or 2nd and 4th team? not that big of a difference tbh

EMEA record against NA - 5-8

EMEA record against NA - 0-8
(without fnatic)

BoF7ooM [#13]

Nearest Airport are overjoyed that finally 1 other team than Optic fluked their way into the grand finals. Waiting for the reality check to given at champs, because not a single team other than Optic has ever been in the top 4 for 2 years, and they call us a 1 team region 😹😹

EG(?)

hekzy [#12]

You can't make a superteam that's better than fnatic. You just can't, you don't have such talent. You're only lucky that Liquid isn't hitting shots as of now because we'd be seeing TL vs FNC grand finals every event.

really? cause EG made every map close and they are nowhere near a superteam. an NA superteam would wreck Lnatics shit.

Revlo [#17]

really? cause EG made every map close and they are nowhere near a superteam. an NA superteam would wreck Lnatics shit.

Every map close? One map andies literally only won one map. 3-0 close final? It was never close.

Come up with 5 NA players to compete against fnatic lmfao.

hekzy [#18]

Every map close? One map andies literally only won one map. 3-0 close final? It was never close.

Come up with 5 NA players to compete against fnatic lmfao.

then shitnatic vs sentinels iceland was never close

BoF7ooM [#13]

Nearest Airport are overjoyed that finally 1 other team than Optic fluked their way into the grand finals. Waiting for the reality check to given at champs, because not a single team other than Optic has ever been in the top 4 for 2 years, and they call us a 1 team region 😹😹

flair

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

EU>NA>APAC tbh

pugboy [#15]

EMEA record against NA - 5-8

EMEA record against NA - 0-8
(without fnatic)

yeah americas #1 and americas #2 beating emea #3 emea #4 is a huge achivement? lets not act like TL didnt choke their haven game

carried by cambodia (jawgemo)

trent clears your whole bloodline

melodymur [#8]

NA too humble doesn't want to make a super-team like SHITMEA because they like challenges

"doesn't want to make a superteam" like in 2022 where every single best player for any role from NA were in the same team. At least for FNATIC you can argue that shao sayf and nats are as good as some FNC player (or at least very close), for NA in 2022 the only real other option was Zekken for duelist, the rest of the optic team cleared any other NA player...

dapada [#23]

yeah americas #1 and americas #2 beating emea #3 emea #4 is a huge achivement? lets not act like TL didnt choke their haven game

so which team is emea #2? KC

I don't like when obtuse NA fans call EMEA a one team region, so I can't like when somebody calls NA a bad region, even if the fans deserve it.

EMEA is definitely better than NA and it could even be better than the whole Americas (that realistically just means NA+LOUD), but this doesn't mean that NA is a bad region. It's true that their major wins are dubious, but I still think they deserve to be praised for it.

True, if FPX played in Reykjavik maybe they would've won, but maybe also not, and I don't think OpTic deserves their title taken away just for this.

I somehow think their titles are both valid (even if less than loud's or the EMEA ones) and that NA is better than any region besides EMEA and PAC (if you consider Asia as a whole, because NA clears APAC)

cobalt21312 [#20]

flair

Ain't no way sen flair talking

dapada [#23]

yeah americas #1 and americas #2 beating emea #3 emea #4 is a huge achivement? lets not act like TL didnt choke their haven game

they wouldn't have choked if they were better lmao

BoF7ooM [#13]

Nearest Airport are overjoyed that finally 1 other team than Optic fluked their way into the grand finals. Waiting for the reality check to given at champs, because not a single team other than Optic has ever been in the top 4 for 2 years, and they call us a 1 team region 😹😹

you are from south africa it is not your region. how many wins did any team besides fnatic get against na? 1 team region.

pugboy [#30]

they wouldn't have choked if they were better lmao

no one said they were better lmfao
my argument is they were pretty close against each other

just look at the placement they got
EMEA - 1st and 5th
Americas - 2nd and 4th
and yall acting like americas is way better, what a joke

Revlo [#19]

then shitnatic vs sentinels iceland was never close

ok? happened 3 years ago. Still happy you beat Doma and Magnum? Fucking losers kek

Come up with 5 NA players to compete against fnatic lmfao.

The_Cleg [#28]

I don't like when obtuse NA fans call EMEA a one team region, so I can't like when somebody calls NA a bad region, even if the fans deserve it.

EMEA is definitely better than NA and it could even be better than the whole Americas (that realistically just means NA+LOUD), but this doesn't mean that NA is a bad region. It's true that their major wins are dubious, but I still think they deserve to be praised for it.

True, if FPX played in Reykjavik maybe they would've won, but maybe also not, and I don't think OpTic deserves their title taken away just for this.

I somehow think their titles are both valid (even if less than loud's or the EMEA ones) and that NA is better than any region besides EMEA and PAC (if you consider Asia as a whole, because NA clears APAC)

.

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only

i wholeheartedly agree

mrGoudas [#36]

i wholeheartedly agree

Okobotro 🗿

duchesssx [#31]

you are from south africa it is not your region. how many wins did any team besides fnatic get against na? 1 team region.

EMEA = Europe, Middle East & Africa

dapada [#32]

no one said they were better lmfao
my argument is they were pretty close against each other

just look at the placement they got
EMEA - 1st and 5th
Americas - 2nd and 4th
and yall acting like americas is way better, what a joke

ur dumb lmao

pugboy [#15]

EMEA record against NA - 5-8

EMEA record against NA - 0-8
(without fnatic)

is this from 2023 or where did u get this stat from?

Guild FPX Liquid all have beaten NA?

CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#40]

is this from 2023 or where did u get this stat from?

Guild FPX Liquid all have beaten NA?

It's from 2023 I'm pretty sure.

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

Very Valid take. Im not a NA hater but i just cant see a reason why NA would be better than EMEA. Dont get me wrong, EG and NRG look very good and have potential to win a(nother) LAN.

But 100T? No hope, they could maybe beat EMEA Nr 5 which is Giants.

Sentinels look good on paper but with no actual IGL and a slight language barrier & lack of chemistry i just dont see it happening. Most top teams nowadays have a core which has ideally been together since the start of the game. Sen just put a few brazilians in a former NA Masters pot and called it a day.

C9 is probably the most promising team out of all. But i think if you play C9 vs Liquid/NaVi 1000x times, Liquid/NaVi wins over 700 of the games.

My ranking currently:

1. EG
2. C9 (hot take?)
3. NRG
4. SEN
5. 100T
   ----------------------------- (vlr keeps counting indie website)
6. FNATIC
7. Liquid
8. NaVi (they will get their shit together)
9. FUT
10. Giants

CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#43]

Very Valid take. Im not a NA hater but i just cant see a reason why NA would be better than EMEA. Dont get me wrong, EG and NRG look very good and have potential to win a(nother) LAN.

But 100T? No hope, they could maybe beat EMEA Nr 5 which is Giants.

Sentinels look good on paper but with no actual IGL and a slight language barrier & lack of chemistry i just dont see it happening. Most top teams nowadays have a core which has ideally been together since the start of the game. Sen just put a few brazilians in a former NA Masters pot and called it a day.

C9 is probably the most promising team out of all. But i think if you play C9 vs Liquid/NaVi 1000x times, Liquid/NaVi wins over 700 of the games.

My ranking currently:

1. EG
2. C9 (hot take?)
3. NRG
4. SEN
5. 100T
   ----------------------------- (vlr keeps counting indie website)
6. FNATIC
7. Liquid
8. NaVi (they will get their shit together)
9. FUT
10. Giants

C9 is only a hot take cause u didn’t put them at 1

pugboy [#39]

ur dumb lmao

ah yes no argument classic braindead vlr user

dapada [#45]

ah yes no argument classic braindead vlr user

I gave you an argument and you completely dismiss it you are completely lost 1 team region mfs

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only "talents" within the framework of NA.

hekzy [#33]

ok? happened 3 years ago. Still happy you beat Doma and Magnum? Fucking losers kek

Come up with 5 NA players to compete against fnatic lmfao.

where did I say I was happy dumbass? no point in even responding to you.

hekzy [#18]

Every map close? One map andies literally only won one map. 3-0 close final? It was never close.

Come up with 5 NA players to compete against fnatic lmfao.

yay
finesse
marved
victor
crashies

i think this roster would have a pretty good chance

TBH I think NA is more competitive and as a result more fun to watch, plus every tourney it's always been one good EU team

dapada [#32]

no one said they were better lmfao
my argument is they were pretty close against each other

just look at the placement they got
EMEA - 1st and 5th
Americas - 2nd and 4th
and yall acting like americas is way better, what a joke

Bro forgot navi and fut :skull emoji: x7

333triplethreat [#51]

Bro forgot navi and fut :skull emoji: x7

#23 learn how to read dumbass

pugboy [#46]

I gave you an argument and you completely dismiss it you are completely lost 1 team region mfs

whatever makes you sleep at night ig

keep coping bro, we'll win more trophies KKK

finally someone with a brain

pugboy [#4]

Better team doesn't = better region

the more better teams = the better the region

NRG and EG made it top 4 and LOUD did just have an off tourny

fnatic and navi made top 4 at lock in. fnatic won the previous two tourneys, liquid finished 5-6th after a close loss to nrg. emea looks much better

symbols07 [#55]

fnatic and navi made top 4 at lock in. fnatic won the previous two tourneys, liquid finished 5-6th after a close loss to nrg. emea looks much better

let them cope
one thing they beat us at xD

Is EMEA unironically the most toxic region?

I’m serious. They’re only relevant because of calling NA, “Nearest Airport” and shitting on the AMER region,Outside of that they are Elitist to say the least. God-Complex people who cannot handle being called a 1 team region expect maybe (idk give me someone)

G2 Fans after losing their home in Europe now migrate into EU and FNATIC flair combos, missing the days of “FUCK SENTINELS”

Also, Pacific Fans usually don’t talk as much shit as NA or EMEA does. So I’m confident Pacific as the edge over EMEA.

Every time they win a LAN with a single team while the rest of their teams are in shambles shows how overconfident they are. They only think wins. And cannot bear to admit whenever they lose, and call it a fluke or dubious win

Is EMEA unironically the most toxic region?

I’m serious. They’re only relevant because of calling NA, “Nearest Airport” and shitting on the AMER region,Outside of that they are Elitist to say the least. God-Complex people who cannot handle being called a 1 team region expect maybe (idk give me someone)

G2 Fans after losing their home in Europe now migrate into EU and FNATIC flair combos, missing the days of “FUCK SENTINELS”

Also, Pacific Fans usually don’t talk as much shit as NA or EMEA does. So I’m confident Pacific as the edge over EMEA.

Every time they win a LAN with a single team while the rest of their teams are in shambles shows how overconfident they are. They only think wins. And cannot bear to admit whenever they lose, and call it a fluke or dubious win

dapada [#53]

whatever makes you sleep at night ig

keep coping bro, we'll win more trophies KKK

Racism?

CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#43]

Very Valid take. Im not a NA hater but i just cant see a reason why NA would be better than EMEA. Dont get me wrong, EG and NRG look very good and have potential to win a(nother) LAN.

But 100T? No hope, they could maybe beat EMEA Nr 5 which is Giants.

Sentinels look good on paper but with no actual IGL and a slight language barrier & lack of chemistry i just dont see it happening. Most top teams nowadays have a core which has ideally been together since the start of the game. Sen just put a few brazilians in a former NA Masters pot and called it a day.

C9 is probably the most promising team out of all. But i think if you play C9 vs Liquid/NaVi 1000x times, Liquid/NaVi wins over 700 of the games.

My ranking currently:

1. EG
2. C9 (hot take?)
3. NRG
4. SEN
5. 100T
   ----------------------------- (vlr keeps counting indie website)
6. FNATIC
7. Liquid
8. NaVi (they will get their shit together)
9. FUT
10. Giants

Fnatical won and u put em in 6th bruh

symbols07 [#55]

fnatic and navi made top 4 at lock in. fnatic won the previous two tourneys, liquid finished 5-6th after a close loss to nrg. emea looks much better

Liquid would have lost to c9

Americas>EMEA>APAC, every team from americas would be atleast top 6 on EMEA and APAC

poweredjay [#49]

yay
finesse
marved
victor
crashies

i think this roster would have a pretty good chance

They won one fluke tournament...

Revlo [#48]

where did I say I was happy dumbass? no point in even responding to you.

You fkn r-word. I told you to come up with five players to beat current fnatic and you replied with "sentinels vs fnatic wasn't even close hehehehe🤓🤓🤓🤓".

"No point replying to you" because you're actually incapable of replying to me, as it seems.

Give me 5 players from NA that could beat fnatic and stop beating around the bush.

Dolphin [#2]

I'm serious. Their only relevant and legit achievement is OpTic making it to Grand Finals in Champions. Outside of that, their both Reykjavik wins were dubious to say the least. Sentinels farming pros that were immortal 3 of today's standard (game was new) except for maybe Derke.

FPX didn't participate, people keep bitching about Something's absence but the whole team (best in the world at the time arguably) was absent.

Also, PRX making it to grand finals > EG making it to grand finals. So, I think even pacific has the edge over NA.

Trent flopping on LAN just shows how overrated their talent are. They are only

tbf it was rlly unfortunate circumstances for NA and even Americas as a whole. Id say theyre by far the most competitive region and most of their teams are better than most of the EMEA and Pacific teams however, Loud got 2nd place curse (ngl at this point its gotta be real), and Cloud 9 were p much equal to NRG and they werent able to make it over loud. So lets say loud did as good as they did in Americas we'd probably see Americas have 3 teams in the top 4.
Pacific is also in a rut rn considering DRX are falling off hard (probably internal issues). PRX are also an insane team but without Something they clearly werent able to change their style enough to make GF.
Both of these factors paralleled by the fact that EMEA literally had no issues outside of Navi being too used to trolling their games and still having the tourney be more dominant in Pacific and NA just goes to show that EMEA is by far the weakest region. FUT got owned by DRX and Navi are middling at best, TL are p good but they throw in the same way gambit do and just dont have the talent to make up for it.
EMEA as much as i love navi tl and fnc are just a 1 team region for now.

Master_oGgway [#60]

Fnatical won and u put em in 6th bruh

thats because you cant make 2 seperate lists and vlr keeps counting as one list...

As an America's citizen I have to admit that EMEA takes a huge shit on us. We need to gather and make a Brazilian superteam (NA doesn't have decent players) so that we can maybe win an event in the next 3 years.

symbols07 [#55]

fnatic and navi made top 4 at lock in. fnatic won the previous two tourneys, liquid finished 5-6th after a close loss to nrg. emea looks much better

i think after tokyo we can all agree for the most part lock//in results mean nothing at this point

teams were all new
eg 9-16th lock in, 2nd tokyo
prx 1st rounded lock in, 3rd tokyo
liquid/edg first rounded lock in, 5-6th
navi 3-4th lockin, winless in tokyo

etc...

fnc is just fnc, can't argue with that
liquid choked 12-7 lead and got smoked map 3
fnc > americas > emea

jaKe-y [#67]

As an America's citizen I have to admit that EMEA takes a huge shit on us. We need to gather and make a Brazilian superteam (NA doesn't have decent players) so that we can maybe win an event in the next 3 years.

Time for Loud 3.0

hekzy [#12]

You can't make a superteam that's better than fnatic. You just can't, you don't have such talent. You're only lucky that Liquid isn't hitting shots as of now because we'd be seeing TL vs FNC grand finals every event.

SEN

NA are a bunch of frauds only saved by putin and covid I agree

The_Cleg [#26]

"doesn't want to make a superteam" like in 2022 where every single best player for any role from NA were in the same team. At least for FNATIC you can argue that shao sayf and nats are as good as some FNC player (or at least very close), for NA in 2022 the only real other option was Zekken for duelist, the rest of the optic team cleared any other NA player...

Shao > Boaster
Suygetsu > or = Alfa > Nats (currently imo)
Derke > Sayf
Leo > Zyppan
Chronice > everyone else in his role

ItsHunter [#72]

Shao > Boaster
Suygetsu > or = Alfa > Nats (currently imo)
Derke > Sayf
Leo > Zyppan
Chronice > everyone else in his role

You are high like wtf is the point of comparing shao with boaster? Boaster is an IGL you should compare him with ange1 or redgar.

Saying that suygestu is better than Alfa is sickening at this point of time, after Alfa was the MVP in Tokyo. But yes suygetsu might be better than nAts