https://twitter.com/yawnsnore/status/1513655279103135745
Calling aspas 'primate'
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KEZNIT RACIST AGAIN
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I don't know how they are right now, but aspas was good friends with keznit, and I think they still are
trembolona is the biggest fucking idiot of all time, I hate you but I like keznit
99.99% of brazilian scene who says sth about him, tier 1 players don't say a thing about him bc of fearing against their own region, but aspas was about to play duoq w/keznit yesterday
I do not know if they are friends, Aspas is a friend of Klaus kru and bnj ex-KRU, both follow on twitter and KEZNIT wished forces pro ASPAS in relation to COVID
Friends I don't think so, but they don't have any disagreements or anything.
you just compared primate to a word used by white americans to designate their slaves
the fact that youre getting upvoted blows my fucking mind
and? his logic is literally "its just a word" dumbfuck, its still implies to that, + "white americans to designate their slaves" lmfao bro go get some basic history book
another one, you are actually asking a flakeflagger named idkbro to reveal his flag?! I am not scared I just got the most obvious fake flag possible so motherfuckers dont think I am actually from that country, if I could have no flag I would, also I dont call myself Vaticanoverlord, he actually calls himself korean
Lol fake flag says the guy with Vatican Flag. How's the esports in your country? Stupid wanna be online catholics who have nothing to do with the essence of the religion and do nothing but complain about people they consider woke or some shit online. I would bet good money that you can not look at yourself in the mirror for a minute and honestly tell yourself you dont hate yourself. Pussy go outside and try to feel some real human warmth
you fucking brainlet you compared someone calling another person a primate to racism
he said primate then the tweet spews some disingenuous false statement of him saying monkey.
calling someone primate is racism you dumbfuck. go suck his balls on his stream
These people act like calling someone a monkey isn't a derogatory racist term. Idk wtf they're on.
bruh how does calling someone a monkey become racist. its an insult 100% but dont think its racist as monkey isnt a degrotory term for braziliians
You are a fucking moron, haha. Ofc calling somebody a monkey is racist. It is a slur because you are suggesting that one race is closer to a lesser evolved humanoid form. I can't believe this actually needs explaining, lmfao.
It's more so because monkeys/primates are darker skinned rather than the whole closer to primate thing. Both can be true though.
The Monkey/Primate word in Brazil, when using it to diss someone has the same mean as the N word in USA... So it's REAL racism
Some ppl don't understand (or forget) that different countrys has different culture, and that is included the LANGUAGE that they speak
Bro, in South America you call people by their skin color and it is considered normal. Fuck that. That is racism. Culture is not an excuse.
Hope this blows up
This event has been pretty tame in terms of controversies until now
Lol you addicted to me or something bro seems like I got myself a hater
huh? i just replied to ur specific comment i don't remember ur name dog
Don't overthink it ur no trembolona XD
Yeah, like last time when Riot decides to punish Keznit and not Shaw or dgzin.
Nice punishment, with 1 game for a racist attitude :)
Are you delusional? this punishment is a joke
What did the Brazilians get as punishment again? Riot benefited them not keznit
If Keznit receive just 1 game for punishment, so it's obvious that dgzin no deserve a punishment
But you trying to compare a attitude racist with the message by dgzin
It's insane
I don’t know why Brazilians keep thinking when they get insulted it’s way worse than when they insult others. First of all dgzin started the fight, and called them fat, they answer with a racist insult, and then dgzin literally threatens with beating them up
Why do you think what dgzin did is any better than what Keznit did. Idc whatever the punishment is but BOTH deserve an equal one
"literally threatens with beating them up" KEKW
I don't say that dgzin is correct in this situation, he's wrong, of course, but you exagerated that
And you just confirm what I say, it's obvious that a attitude racist is WORST than what dgzin did
I would like to hear the reasoning behind why being racist is worse than calling someone fat and threatening him
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk are you kidding, right?
So, if I say that you are silver on valorant, this is a incredible offense, in the same levels of a attitude racist?
The racism is one topic literally huge, mainly in Brasil, and keznit just don't accept that he's wrong, because that word he says always, it's a really offense here.
The attitude by dgzin is wrong to, it's clearly that he and keznit are both wrong, but call someone fat it's not the same thing to be a racist.
Racism is a topic for humanity, we are fighting against this for a more than thousand years, literally
Call someone fat it's wrong to, but this two words do not in the same level
No I’m not kidding to me both are ways of discrimination, and no calling someone play is not the same. And to all that you have to add he insulted first and the physical threat. I’m sorry but we are just not gonna agree on that one.
Dude I’m not defending racism by any means I’m just asking you to leave your bias to a side for a sec
This time I don't think it was racist, it was a primate in the brainless sense, and just yesterday he worried about Aspas who is with covid
~my opnion
I already told u guys.
He will never learn the lesson. He have been like this for 5+ years.
1 bo3 of punishment WONT BE ENOUGH! I ALREADY TOLD U GUYS THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. TRUST ME!
Now you're kidding, because in this case, we understand as a primate the question of intelligence, if he said monkey then the game would be different. But because Keznit doesn't stop cursing others (wasting time), what a toxic guy (guy has covid and instead of sending a positive message send friendship to type shit). And another one, even though it's not racism, it's not cool to say no. But stop messing trembolona, your image is getting good on this site, don't screw it up again.
You are wrong
When people use the term monkey they also use it in terms of lack of intelligence, but 99.9% take it as racist
99% of Brazilians take it as racism*
Sad that intentions are not something that can really be proved. Because it’s really unfair in both ways
In my country is used against dumb people. And again you just can't prove how he meant it which sucks because if he actually meant it racist, deserves a punishment. But on the other hand you can't just punish someone without knowing because if we start like that we can find racist or respective connotations to every single sentence
Déjalo persiguen fantasmas y no van a cambiar, todos tenemos que acoplarnos a que las palabras tienen el significado que le dan en Brasil y ese es el único significado que importa.
I don't think keznit was racist in this clip, just gave the context where this normally happens
Ah é Trembolona? mostra essa pesquisa linguística que você fez aí que resultou em 99%. A lingua não funciona assim, depende do contexto e da entonação nem sempre é racismo. Porém.. bora pegar um recorte histórico, houve no passado aquela aliança do Brasil, Argentina e Uruguai na Guerra do Paraguai. Nessa época a escravidão já havia sido abolida tanto na Argentina quanto no Uruguai, esses 2 países ao longo dos anos não traficaram tantos escravos negros quanto o Brasil que manteve a escravidão por muito mais tempo depois dessa guerra. Enfim, haviam batalhões formado por negros exclusivamente nos 3 exércitos, mas havia muuuuito mais negros no exército brasileiro, pois para muitos foram prometidos alforria, ex-escravos ou não, os Argentinos, Uruguaios e Paraguaios na época tratavam de menosprezar o exército brasileiro com base no duvidoso argumento de que, por ser formados por negros, deveria ser de qualidade inferior e se referiam a eles pejorativamente como Negritos e Macaquitos. Já o Fracisco Solano Lopez, presidente do Paraguai, foi mais longe e fazia muita propaganda de que o os líderes brasileiros eram Macacos que pretendiam escravizar os Paraguaios. Se procurarem vão achar diversas tirinhas em espanhol retratando os brasileiros como Macacos, inclusive o Imperador (branco que só) e sim exemplo de racismo. Essa expressão foi carregada pelo resto da America Latina pra se referir aos brasileiros pejorativamente e de forma racista aos longos da história. Vimos essas desmontrações racistas diversas vezes nas torcidas de futebol. Então quanto algum outro latinoamericano usa expressão obviamente por todo histórico de cara o brasileiro já pensa em racismo. Agora se o cleitinreidelas11 de Piracicaba começa a dar rage na ranked porque o juniscleison tá bangando o próprio time e em vez de chamar o juniscleison de burro ele o chama de Macaco NESSE exemplo tendo somente dito isso e NESSE exato contexto aqui não é racismo.
Krllllll todo post teu tu tá concordando com gringo, tá legal ser aceito por eles é?
aqui a questão n é concordar, é questão de bom senso, o trembolona já ta forçando coisa aonde n tem. E eu na maioria das vezes to discordando com eles, como no jogo da NIP contra Fnatic hj. Só que eu n saio atirando comentário pra tudo que é lado que nem o Trembolona faz. Esse caso aí do Keznit da pra entender o que ele quer falar, embora fique o duplo sentido. Mas primata se usa no sentido de inteligência. Agora eu acho que ele merece sim uma punição, porquê isso vai contra as diretrizes éticas que a Riot exige sob os jogadores durante campeonato. Chamar alguém de primata é um xingamento, e foi gratuito ainda. Aspas n fez nada pro mlk e o cara já ta com o nome manchado por conta do bagulho com a gamelanders.
Tu é novo aqui então tá tudo bem, mas marque essas palavras, daqui um tempo essa coisa de ser a voz da razão vai desaparecer, é o efeito vlr
to ligado, esse site ficou uma chernobyl de toxidade depois do champions. E eu n falo isso pra sair como "voz da razão" falo isso porque quero que vcs parem de criar entrigas nesse site, pra melhorar a imagem da nossa região tanto dentro do server (com os cara amassando lá fora) , tanto fora (Nós a torcida brasileirinha).
'macaco' tb usam no sentido de inteligencia mano
e vc acha o termo racista
pronto, acabei com teus argumentos
qual o problema de concordar com gringo kk isso não tem nada a ver com vc ser de um país ou de outro, cada um deveria criar sua própria opinião imparcialmente sem levar em conta a nacionalidade dos envolvidos.
concordo, não vejo isso como caso de racismo, apenas uma brincadeira de mau gosto. Se tivesse dito macaco ou coisa do tipo, enquadraria no termo racista, mas nesse caso ele apenas fez uma zoeira pelo Aspas e o Sacy ficarem fazendo default nas rankeds (o que sim, é chato pra caralho). O termo usado foi meio peculiar, mas não vejo como proposital.
I just want peace in this fucking bullshit south america region holy fuck man
They've fallen against several times recently, even on the same team like here: https://prnt.sc/W0cr-fleYIR4
can't he just call him "dumb" instead of "monkey" or "primate"?
I don't know, man, but I feel like keznit is either racist or dumb af, and there is literally no other option....
This. Either he is intentionally trying to push subtle racism or he is dumb as a box of rocks.
"in Brazil" you can't cancel a expression of another language of another culture only becouse you think is offensive, there are a world outside, it's just stupid like cancel japanese words only becouse sounds like a N word
he was talking in spanish with chilenian words in their stream. Each country have their owns words and doesn´t have relation with others. Like conchita in spain means "Consuelo" name, but in Argentinian mean vagina, and Mexico means mollusk. We will cancel Spain cuz they call "mono" to all thing or person that are cute? We will cancel Korea cuz in their language I´m is niga and You´re is naega and that sound like N word?
The sad part is there are people who actually believe your shit
LITTERALY HE TEXT HIM TO PLAY TOGETHER
Just stop dude, Keznit and Aspas are friends, he said it in that same moment, and after that comment the both of them went ahead to play a ranked game together, where they both treated each other as frends, laughed and had a good time.
Also and very important, here in Chile, the word Primate is used by low classes (Keznit comes from a poor household and neighborhood) as a homologue to the word "Primo" that is the spanish for "cousin". And it denotes a sense of closeness, same for other words that Keznit uses a lot in stream such as "Sangre/sangrecita" (my blood/my little blood brother").
Stop trying to cancel everyone for every word that you yourself cant comprehend. Aspas was okay with it and laughed, why can't you?.
I hope this is true. Cause it’s pretty sus to keep referring to Brazilians as monkeys after repeatedly being told it’s offensive.
man you literally summed up everything i think
the guy already got a warning from riot for that and to help himself he keeps using those words when he talks to a brazilian
I really hope that what our Chilean friend said is true, but it doesn't change the fact that keznit is racist to me.
Trembolona is weird, he forces nonsense things like this, I think a large part of Brazil doesn't understand that in other countries culture influences some meanings of words, and this is one of them. And you could understand that in this context it wasn't a racist or offensive intention, it was a joke since they both get along well.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1CZkDxcQBxI Here you can hear the word being used in the same way I explained in my comment by a very popular character in chilean culture of the impoverished classes named "Loco Rene" (you can look him up on youtube).
He says "Ya primate, cuidate, buenas noches, que amanezcan bien igual" which means "Ok primate (cousin, not in a literal, but a closeness way), take care, hope you get up well/have a noce morning", phrase that is used in Chile to say goodnight.
Please don't take things out of context once again. Stop trying to cancel things that you don't comprehend.
Also, this video was uploaded by Keznit himself
to his twitter, trying to disprove this very same thread, so you can't say that he wasnt using the word in the same way im refering to.
Já virou perseguição. Os próprios Chilenos explicando o regionalismo dessa palavra e brasileiro que mal sabe português cancelando o cara e discutindo com falantes do idioma espanhol dizendo que a palavra só tem um significado kkkkk. Me lembrei daquele jornalista gringo cuzão que fez todo um alvoroço em cima da palavra "Apavoro" dita pelo caster da Riot teimando contra todos os falantes da lingua portuguesa falando que aquilo era uma ameaça de morte aos jogadores...
i watched it live
aspas was laughing with them so it doesnt matter
just drama farming
It's not cool to say what he said, just as it's not cool for Brazilians to chat in Masters. #GOBTS and say that Asian players play with their eyes closed. #respect
I’m gonna tell the truth right now… It was just considered racism because keznit did it
LOUD is going to slap KRU so hard, doesn't matter lmao. If they don't get grouped by the boys tomorrow.
"primate" en chile es casi como decir amigo. porfavor no hagan polemicas innecesarias
Not racist, "primate" is commonly used to refer to someone as a "cousin" in Chile . In other words, he was refering to Aspas as his cousin. If you don't understand the context in which the word is used, that's on you. Stop trying to call racism on every word he uses.
I get and justify why some brazilians can get mad about this, because this term keznit uses even with Aspas (explained by sebaiacoR in #61 #73 and #74) is too local, too specific for foreign countries to know. Chilean spanish it's know all around latin america as one of the worst spanish variation and hardest to understand because there are a lot of words like that.
Yes, the dgzin episode was bad, but before doing this statements you could ask here what does it mean. There are chileans here than can explain those things if you guys are interested.
I've seen people doing this here for another languages before making bold accusations.
i genuinely believe that keznit arent racist but like everybody knows what happens when u call a brazilian "monkey" plus he's a public figure he HAS to think 10 times beforehand to say smth
Agree that he has to be careful, we all hope he learned something in the "professionalism training" that Riot putted him.
yeah, I agree. It was just an unfortunate way to call a brazilian friend. It must suck to be Keznit, he has to watch for every thing he says or does in stream. Last night he explained that a sound he and Delz1k do a lot (a high pitched sound) for the funsies (i know, very children-like) was a sound they had to come up to joke around because everything they did could be considered racist by people with bad intentions (like the sound of the "brazilian dog dance" for which people tried to cancel him https://youtu.be/zYwhrGnbdmU, and that he was doing because the son of the owner of "Australs" -JFarias- -a chilean esport organization that dissapeared and that was home to the actual Leviatan roster- mimicked so well it was hilarious while both were playing together -Keznit and JFarias-. Keznit then did this on a game on-stream, said "el perro brazileño" refering to this same video and trying to do the same as the son of JFarias and people tried to cancel him for that).
I know racism is a very serious issue in Brazil and that it should not be taken lightly, specially by public personalities like Keznit, but u people have to understand that here in Chile it is not such a serious issue and we take our language in a much more light manner in that regard, while in other issues, such as patriarchy and its connotations in our language, we do try to not say things that are "machistas" (patriarcal ways of doing stuff).
+1 unfortunately when it comes to twitter br u have to keep an eye wide open while asleep. No matter whats the context they will hunt till death to cancel u
Racism is a serious thing please stop using it to create confusion. Thanks to the Chileans who explained this misunderstanding.
Anytime you guys want we can "try" to explain this weird ass spanish version we call "chilean" or "chilensis", which is a fucking mess full of slangs
Dude they are friends with aspas, he literally played ranked with him after he called him “primate”, its probably ok between them. Watch the entire clip before you start roasting him for no reason.
Aspas must be so mad, did he say anything? Oh? He didn't? Well, seems like you're doing mental gymnastic to defame Keznit rn
Brazilians cry so much, it's only a word that means "cousin" on Brazil, now when someone will write something, he needs to know what that words means on another languages? I don't care who are keznit, but i think this is desnecessary
U need to know that are a world outside br, with their words and types to talk, in Chile that means amigo (friend), if keznit was from another country maybe ur right, but not in this case. Example in spanish we have: chucho, in one country that means dog (central america), in other a dude that steal (many countries of south america), in other country that means Jesus (mexico). Chile have many worlds to reference a one thing. It´s like portuguesse world "pico" in spanish pico it´s a reference of mountain or something with triangule figure, but in portuguesse it´s penis.
Brazil try not to create drama during an international event (impossible challenge)
Vc deve ser outro racista.. Alias na espanha ta cheio, como a gnt vê nos estádios..
Mano, relaxa... Os dois são amigos e ainda jogaram juntos depois disso
Cria caso não, o trembolona que tem problema
mano kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk os dois são amigos há mó cota e ainda fizeram duo, mesmo DEPOIS desse "xingamento"
é como tu chegar pra um amigo teu falando: "Dae viado, sussa?" ou um "Fala seu merda, tudo bem ctg?"
então relaxa bro... se o próprio aspas não criou caso, pq a gente deveria? Se ele tivesse se sentido ofendido já tinha mandado o Keznit tomar no cu e tinha postado no twitter
Nem vou perde meu tempo contigo, deve ser um típico playboy de condomínio, e eh claro que ninguém da Loud vai falar nada eles estão em concentração máxima..
ok então, vc deve ser o "Valorant de cadeia" em pessoa, o maluco julga o outro sem nem conhecer e fica cuspindo um monte de besteira como se fosse o dono da verdade absoluta. Ta explicado pq você achou que ele tava sendo racista
Mas pra deixar claro, não to falando que ele nunca foi racista, o caso do dgzin é nítido que o Keznit tem histórico, mas dependendo do contexto de como a palavra ta sendo usada, o significado dela é alterado
Vc ta se contradizendo na própria explicação.. Ele é reincidente no caso, 3x só no Valorant e outros casos no CS.. Vou repetir, para de ser trouxa defendendo lixo e passe a defender pessoas que merecem..
Talvez tenha explicado de uma forma errada, mas não to me contradizendo... ele tem histórico, mas não é por isso que ESSE caso postado na thread ele tenha sido racista, é só isso que eu to dizendo
Não defendo o Keznit como pessoa (pq ele realmente não se mostra uma boa pessoa), mas isso não quer dizer que todas as ações dele são racistas e erradas... nessas horas que temos que ter um bom senso e julgar o fato pelo que ele É e não só pelo histórico
Bro, take a life, let them play and be OMG. More of them, you're the toxic and racist
That's just Twitter at its peak, people not trying do compreend but interpreting things however they want it to benefit their own opinion. Gotta love the site full of clowns.
Worst thing is that this guy throw the stone and hide the hand, now he's nowhere to be seen after posting this stuff.
Can't he get banned or something?
Not even apologizing or something.
After everyone even the br fans saw that primate means cousin trembo is really quiet, curious, it's almost like trembos only reason to post is to create hate between us
Surely "primate" just means "cousin" and not actually "primate" after multiple instances of keznit relating brazilians to monkeys. Surely just means cousin. Just a bad coincidence, he added "-ate" to the word "primo" and it just happened to mean monkey. That's crazy.
Clueless
What are u on bruv, it's a word form chile Spanish, aspas knows kez they are friends
I know there's no ill intent, I know they're friends, that's no excuse.
Making up that "it just means cousin" when it clearly doesn't is so lame and avoids the conversation of keznit needing to grow up and change his vocabulary because in the ends it hurts Kru. If he doesn't understand that he needs to stop calling brazilians monkeys (yes, even his friends) then Kru will continue to soak up controversies every few months and that's not fair to everyone working at the club.
Well yes he should at least avoid words that sounds like ape or monkey, mostly because of his past, still trembo needs to be banned he is the reason for half the hate between latam and br
Todo bien con keznit es un crack y lo banco pero tiene que darse cuenta y dejar de decirle monos a los brasileros. Aunque sea un amigo, aunque no sea con mala intención. Es cuestión de PR y de no dejar mal al club. Cuando algo perjudica la imagen del club, a pesar de que todos pensemos que es una boludez, hay que frenarlo porque no suma. El es adulto ya, puede cambiar un poco el vocabulario. Ojalá ganen hoy vamos Kru y vamos deus.
Man! You make a post accusing someone of something and then make another one revealing an attitude, just because the guy is Brazilian
You have to decide if Keznit fucked up and Fluyr too, or if there are interpretations that can get out of our context in both cases
if you watch keznits streams, he calls everyone of his friends "primate" or "primo" in a friendly way, aspas knows that, he didnt even care bro, people just wanna make drama
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