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T1 forfeit against TSM due to unauthorized coach communication

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January 30, 2022

T1 T1 Korea Unranked stax Kim Gu-taek (김구택) Meteor Kim Tae-oh (김태오) Sylvan Go Young-sup (고영섭) BuZz Yu Byeong-cheol (유병철) iZu Ham Woo-ju (함우주) has forfeit their match against TSM TSM North America Unranked Recoil seven Johann Hernandez gMd Anthony Guimond vora sym Tyler Porter after an official Riot ruling declared T1 to have broken rule 7.2.11, which covers "Unauthorized Communications."

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VCT Challengers Competitive Ruling: T1

The match was stopped at halftime during Map 2, at which point T1 commanded a 1-0 series lead and 8-4 lead on Icebox.

T1 coach David "dd8" Denis was alleged to have accidentally typed in all-chat during Map 1, and a short investigation concluded that the coach was indeed "providing instruction to T1 players while their match against TSM was in progress."

As a result of the ruling, TSM will advance to play Akrew Akrew Inactive gucc107 Andrew Gutnichenko Neon Austin Hedge Paincakes Jake Hass jovahnii Jovanni Miramontes ZachaREEE Zachary Lombardo tomorrow. The winner of the match will face The Guard The Guard Inactive JonahP Jonah Pulice trent Trent Cairns neT Michael Bernet valyn Jacob Batio tex Ian Botsch in the final match of the lower bracket.

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TuNyyy

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Mkin11

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El metodo becoming quite popular

r0z

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yikes

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NiceGaming_FPS_Central

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happy for TSM sad for T1

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1mBor3d

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good for the guard tho they wouldve struggled against T1 but instead they just got it for free

ciro

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Mr Methods the second

downbad

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Common rito W.

juno_VLR

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yup yup protecting the integrity of the game

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acedeltakokichi

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rare downbad W

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array

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Win? They noticed that only because coach screwed up. That means they do not monitor chat and let coaches type whatever they want.

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ynot7

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damn you mean crimes are caught when criminals slip up

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ivhzq

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well if it goes unnoticed then yeah

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iNcRoYaBle

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big dub on this hilarious comment boss man

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kyrielight

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of course do you want riot to monitor all 128 games from the open qualifier? it's literally impossible bruv

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array

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Arent they already monitored? You have an admin in all the games to start it and fix issues that occurs. Also you can disable coaches from using chat during the gameplay. It seems easy to do bruv

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InfusedMJ

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the admins arent in all the games. There is now the ability to rollback rounds ingame without the need of an admin. admin support is only in group stage

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array

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Ok. Get the chat logs and see who wrote what. Its like a half an hour job to review chat if not less.

ILL

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DELUSIONAL_POTTER_FAN

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MORE ENTERTAINING THAN THE GAMES ITSELF

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valotard5

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NA valorant most entertaining region for the wrong reasons

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jajajaja

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does that mean t1 out of vct for now?

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JAYO6

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yup they had to dq

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thx

coguyy

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kekw from throwing for skins to cheating in an open qualifier 😭😭😭😭😭

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Kxbsidb

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W for valorant.

Riot made a very good call.

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array

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Crayzid

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W for the scene

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lulw

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TSM fans happy as if they're not gonna lose tomorrow anyway

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HotSauce

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yeah you're a fking idiot lol.

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AltonBu02

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Average TSM fan response.

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HotSauce

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You're telling me Akrew, out of all teams, would beat TSM?

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AltonBu02

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Don't sleep on Akrew. They have shown to dominate against T3 teams so they shouldn't have a problem against TSM.

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HotSauce

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It won't be a walk in the park for either team I'd say. And yeah as good as akrew have gotten, I wouldn't say it would be enough to beat TSM, regardless of how they performed today or in the past.

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uBlur

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This aged well didn't it

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saloo

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u trash talk tsm so since we t3 lg lookin like t4 at this point get this shit outta here

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xaboff

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Even if they beat them, they have no chance against TG

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ganuwoahh

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i feel like they could no lie

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LMAO

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TypicalBot

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(Hot Sauce) kekw you were saying?

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valinorp

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you think kanpeki on neon is gonna be enough? lmao akrew

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ruleofraizen

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2-0
TSM should have chose twitter as their map pick since its their best map XD

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redlight

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Unlucky for the players, and reasonable by riot I suppose. Coaches need to be more careful about what they say when.

But there's still the 2nd qualifier, and I believe they can make it through.

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juno_VLR

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players didn’t stand up to the coach and tell him to stop, they were all in this together. coordinated cheating, nobody is unlucky.

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Karlfrommathclass

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there is literally no proof saying the players didn't or did tell the coach to stop or not. You can’t make ignorant statements like this when we don’t know the full situation.

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PrimoFlame

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Well, the fact that they didn't bring it up even though they clearly had knowledge of this statement doesn't help their case since, as far as we know, the coach was interacting with the team as a whole.

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spectralBlizzard

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I agree with this actually. But how did Riot not monitor this. That's what baffles me, especially after G2.

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ddeadpark

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what u mean? what did g2 do

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VinceVioVN

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Lets say they didn’t approve of what their coach did. If they bring it up instantly they get DQ’d due to rule violation. Whether they were in on it or not it was the play not to say anything.

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PrimoFlame

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Well since they wanted to compete yea it was better not to say anything but like integrity sake man

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Karlfrommathclass

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How do u even know they didnt bring it up though? Just because its not public doesnt mean they didnt bring up to riot just shut up till we know more

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PrimoFlame

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Well if they brought it up to Riot then they wouldn't have been able to play as far as they were able to and would have been DQ'd the moment Riot knew that they were violating a rule

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Bokeh

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W for riot, L for T1 coach, sadge for T1 players

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mesayaloneramp

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now the guy is to be kicked out of Valorant scenes as well

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bandwagondestroyer

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anyways they suck, shouldnt even have registered kekw

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Fluffyy

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Popcorn gif

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Ullyr

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tsm twitter game too strong ...

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ryzxn

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can you imagine, you are about to win an important series

then you lose because the coach pressed shift+enter

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McSwishen

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Glad I followed saya to the gaurd this year lmao

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acedeltakokichi

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Im more on version1

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since_beta

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not fair, hope t1 gets justice, gg tsm

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spectralBlizzard

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What do you mean? Unless it's a timeout, you can't provide support as a coach. Wtf. That is cheating!

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galaxyofdreams

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G2 did the exact same thing and somehow there is still no ruling, despite it happening 2 weeks ago.

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spectralBlizzard

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Yeah that is Riot's mistake of not handing G2 a ban. But if you look at it, that is a round change which could ultimately decide a game's outcome.

So, good on Riot to ban this.

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since_beta

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agreed, just imagine giving 2 maps to tsm for this
t1 won the first map, you seriously think it was all because of the coach?

Imagine you were caught cheating in a paper, now instead of the system failing you in that paper, they make you fail in all the paper you are registered for. Justice?

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kmksnmfdojkndoljaw

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That comparison is so dogshit lmao, if they were comparable T1 would have forfeited their entire tournament, lol moron.

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since_beta

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bro thats u getting suspended lol

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juno_VLR

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cheating one on assignment in college can get you expelled. not just failing that assignment, not just failing that class, but expelled. life gets fking real when you leave your parents house and take responsibility for yourself, you’ll see one day!

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since_beta

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flair checksout

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connorwalsh

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You are cheating!!!! You need to be punished for making fun of Riot. They should not say “ok, we discovered it in the round 8, let’s rollback to round 8”. You can use your brain.

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we can be friends

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Karlfrommathclass

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Accordingn to our knowledge it was an accident, in that case they should at most lose the map not an entire series.

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spectralBlizzard

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"Help Sewer"

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LouBag

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TSM bailed out.

Sad for T1, but cheating needs to be punished.

The saddest part about this is TSM acting like they deserved the win. They got smacked and it’s not because the coach said “help sewers”. They were getting smashed because they are bad.

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spectralBlizzard

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Lol a game is of 2 halves. Just because they were getting clapped first half, you can't rule them out. Have you not seen any comebacks my guy?

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since_beta

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i have but they lost to knights, and have done nothing in 2021, they are just bad, they lost to a team that lost to renegades a week back

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connorwalsh

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T1 won on 2021??? They are literally the team that changed more the roster in Valorant so stfu

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AhsanX

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Not to mention they were continuously playing for 9 hours

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AhsanX

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Cope

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unchained66x

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we will never know if T1 could have won without coach helping. cheating 6v5 is very different from a fair 5v5 match

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Misfeit

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Ropz with an i

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Raizel_Cadis

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I guess the ruling is different for different regions. G2 did the same thing and was never punished for it lol

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xaboff

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G2 didn't have the leader of the biggest c̶u̶l̶t̶ fanbase in Valorant crying on twitter and making false accusations.

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Vuzy

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You guys keep saying the same thing over and over and still don't even have an idea of how things work.

I am not saying that I am supporting what G2 did since its legit cheating but riot won't be able disqualify them if there was no rules about it back then. That has happened like million times it's a new esports scene so you just can't do much about if a team plays on a thing thats not written on the rule book.

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connorwalsh

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There were rules about it since 2020

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Thank you, finally people remember that G2 did this also.
If your going to have rules set in place, then the punishment should be the same for all teams.

Very poor management.

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Shteam

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Atleast tell us what the coach says cause we all know that it was stunner I believe, a former cheater.

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The most hilarious thing is that they won't even tell anyone wtf he said, as it's clear as a day it was not a "communication" a callout or any cheating, but probably a stupid meme instead, and it would be apparent that it's just a desperate to not lose TeamSheepMinds' fans' viewership in the group stage. I expect something similar to happen tomorrow if TSM finds themselves with the short end of the stick

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kmksnmfdojkndoljaw

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"HELP SEWER"

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Kxbsidb

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"HELP SEWER"

For your info coach are not allowed to say anything in mid game not even meme

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you are only allowed to say "nice" when the round is over

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AhsanX

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Copium

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valotard5

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All the TSM haters malding that G2 didn't get punished. Maybe T1 🤡 coach should have used some other voice channel G2 instead on typing in valorant lmfao

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matarab16

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honestly, i agree T1 was better than TSM, but it was their third match of the day . maybe if it was on another day we would've gotten closer maps? or maybe it would've been the same, but with current performance of TSM, i dont think they can beat guard and qualify :(
but still i will cheer for them till the end #TSMWIN

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The_wick

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Anyone have the screenshot of the help sewer thing?

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drewxa

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TSM should probably make subroza their smm since tweeting is the only thing he's good at 💀

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AhsanX

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🤡

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Shteam

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It's probably riot's responsibility since they can't manage to prevent this from happening.
Also, if the coaches can chat privately to their players, means it's also being or can be used by other teams/players as well. They should get the idea from CSGO where the players are seen every time they are spectated by the casters.

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I can guarantee you that RIOT admins are 12 month tier 3 subs in wardell's chat 😂😂😂 fucking bums

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OvO_TUTTLE

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why y’all acting like the only thing the coach did was type “help sewer”. for sure he was typing throughout the first map as well. the punishment is reasonable imo they legit fully cheated lmao

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Sirius_10

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i dont get it if ppl r mad or nah? was the ruling fair?

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lucany

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The ruling was fair, but people are mad because it isnt consistent, vk bug led them to replay the map, theres a video of g2 coach talking in voice chat and nothing happened, then t1 did this 2 weeks later and they are forced to ff the entire match.

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drewxa

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I think it's fair to dq T1 if the coach also talked to the team during map 2, if not, then I think only map 1 should be given to TSM. Valorant has to release the logs tbh.

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paanuu

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whatever tsm still sucks, not even trolling

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dudeeee

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this old boomer coach ruining young talents career

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AMGAMES

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F T1

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ValdemieGC

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El método pipsoN going worldwide

Lol!

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yungbasel

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This is far inferior to Mr.Methods' Methods. In fact, Mr.Methods' Methods are such a better Method that Mr Method's would be rolling in his grave if he was aware of such a faulty Method

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AhsanX

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Let's goooooooooooo
#TSMWIN

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BraindeadWalker__

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Don't get excited..It was a free win..Akrew will smack them.Somewhere inside you ,you know too..too much hopium..

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AhsanX

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We'll see, you are the same guys who said TSM would lose against SoaR

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array

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Edit

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akrew 2-0 ez

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metodo pipson

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BR can't win without using a bug and NA and EU can't win without coach communication cheating during the game 😭😔

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coaches can spectate whole map?

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I think so

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No he only see their team pov. Not whole .

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Imagine steel not doing underhanded things 😂

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gz TSM on winning your first match since beta

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They were crying in twitter about ping. Seven had the same ping as them but he still wiped them. What a joke of a team called Tsm.

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Atleast they didnt cheat

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Was it confirmed that it was DD8 though? The ruling I saw only said "a coach" and I haven't seen anyone specifically say it was the head coach. Did someone else specify it was him on Twitter? or an article?

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I think he typed something like 'hold sewer" or symilar midgame lol

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yeah, someone maybe typed "help sewer", but that coach could've been Stunner, the assistant coach for T1 (who has a rough background apparently). They have 2 coaches, so I'm not sure if anyone credible identified which one it was.

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ValdemieGC

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I saw a screenshot of dd8 caught in HD on Twitter hours ago. I can't find it now, but I'm 99% sure I haven't dreamed it haha

I can't help further tho, sorry :(

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User011098

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I feel like the players will be affected by this because they just let their coach provide info mid game. So the palayer are. Part of this. Riot probably investigating on whos player will receive much more penalty

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yungbasel

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On a real though, did the coach forget the rule or is he just highly dumb? It's so easily traceable typing in the game chat. That's so blatant it's not even underhanded

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The Chat incident TrollDespair

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Mortadelo

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Is it that hard to deactivate direct messages in tournament mode?

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kwe

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didnt g2's coach do the exact same thing earlier in this tourney? why is t1 getting especially buttfucked? feelsbadman
not saying that dd8 is in the right tho

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HershieBoi

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probably because g2 still lost both games, got exposed and will probably not do it again because they got exposed.

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should have forfeited the map no?

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Based on the rule cited by Riot, doesn’t tweeting during a match count as communication to a non-player? TSM should be dq as well.

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yungjeezy

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??? They were in a tech pause

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User011098

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Tsm getfing hate for calling out cheater.. Na

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Bizarre situation

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Dolent

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lmfao????

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Danny

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They have Steel as an igl and the coach still thinks they need to cheat smh

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DrudaL

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Doesn't matter TSM still lose

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Only way TSM gets a W lmao

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mmm

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M4G4L

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Wherever Steel goes he gets fucked no matter what! It seems that karma has followed his life since CS:GO with the skin betting scandal.