since the beginning of franchising, there have been 11 instances where a (non-EDG) chinese team has played in an international event
of those 10 instances, that team bombed out 0-2 (winless) 8 times.
i believe as much as anybody else that china are going to be good in the future.
they are not good right now, this is facts plain and simple.
I never said that you said that they dont have no potential. It would be a stupid argument to use regardless because every region has potential its just needs the correct effort and motivation and China clearly has that. But even if you think that china as a whole region is not great now, that fine its your opinion. But that shouldn’t automatically mean “bad”, especially if you yourself acknowledge that they have potential
EDG became a high level team through international experiences. How many events and high level teams have they played against? A ton of them. The other Chinese teams simply do not have as many reps as EDG do. Trace for example, a team with potential but flopped on the international stage because they were completely outclassed by DRX and G2. They're not playing or scrimming against teams like those in China. Trace were undefeated on Lotus regionally but looked like amateurs playing it at an international.
you seemed to have missed the entire point by a long shot.
Let's look at your original statement:
Why disqualify EDG?
Majority of regions only have 1 good team anyway
by the premise of your original statement, anyone reading can definitely assume that our main point of conversation is trying to really see if there is 1 good team or not per region.
sterllaresca rebutted with giving examples of regions with multiple decent teams, you used the argument of claiming that none of those teams were good at the same time, which in itself is a faulty argument--that shouldn't be mentioned, since you never really specified or required that in your original statement.
anyways, instead of directly questioning why you asked that question which was irrelevant to the main idea, I decided to take a different approach by stating that your point was wrong nevertheless with other examples, since if I were to just reiterate what stellaresca said, I wouldn't really be contributing anything to the debate. I get why you added "we were mainly talking about 2024 when EDG started being good," but in what way does that make it a fair assessment? its fair to say that teams like EDG and FPX had the required experience (trials, scrims w/ APAC) pre-China release! So why neglect anything (everything in your case) before 2024, when EDG won their first champs after crashing out of both masters preluding to champs 24?
in general, your argument doesn't make sense in at least four different ways: none of your replies are relevant to your original statement, there's no reason to mention 2024 and beyond since that's realistically cherry-picking, not specifying any constraints regarding your initial argument, and with comment #29 in the thread, merely stating something with 0 backing and 0 clarification.
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