Saudi world cup..

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Ronyko23

na teams playing without flor is disgrace.She is one of the if not the best duelist in Na.Black day for esports..

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umm idk about the best lmaoo

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umm i'm clueless and i don't know ball lmaooo

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oliv-

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u think flor is top 3 duelists in na?...

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i think she unironically could be with a normal team

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yeah of course seeing how shes on apeks right now, but OP is saying shes "one of the best if not the best in NA" meaning she has to be like top 3 in na. i just dont agree with that tho.. zekken jawgemo dgzin oxy mada aspas ?? like hello . the only duelist i can see her replacing is icy

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dgzin, aspas my favorite NA duelists. She could be top 3:

1&2: mada, zekken
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jawgemo
oxy
asuna
icy

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No way we are disrespecting jawgemo like that he can play raze jett and neon to a high level

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washedradiant

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flors potential is higher than his. Sorry bro. We have seen two promising games from flor, while jawgemo had a bad last year , and seems to be the weakest link in g2. Btw i know everyone is gonna be mad at this statement and downvote like crazy because he has a high halo effect, while flor has a negative halo effect, but its the truth. I think oxy is actually better than jawgemo but the public wouldnt like that either so ima keep it like this. Also I know he was good on eg 2023, but that doesnt count anymore due to demon1s performance

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so you are discounting because jawgemo had a bad last season but rate Dgzin highly even though I don't think he looked that good in Brazil Challengers? ( I do agree that Dgzin is nuts tho). Im just saying if I were constructing a team I would rather take jaw and his insane agent pool compared to flor who has only looked insane on jett. also I think everyone rates oxy highly I doubt thats a hot take, but he locked himself in c9 jail for years so no one cares

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Dgzin is not NA or in this conversation what are you saying 💀💀Also dgzin actually performed well during kickoff, jawgemo we havent seen him be good consistently

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you are DELUSIONAL!!!! seriously, jawgemo is one of the best duelists in the world. it is just that he is no longer on a team where he needs to make star plays to win a round, because G2 is a strong and stable team. you are actually clinically insane if you think flor is better than jawgemo as a duelist. sure her aim might be better, but im not debating that. jawgemo on the duelist role is very, very strong.

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JustHunter

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even in EMEA she doesnt have crazy impact. She has very flashy clips and she has insane mechanical skill but to say shes the best is flat out idiotic and uneducated

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3rd highest rated EMEA player

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yxpala

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2 games played

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goatman123

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yes but how can you say she doesnt have crazy impact when apeks' games are literally entirely dependant on her getting the maps close

look at her first blood % she is literally getting them everything to win but they just cant close

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i don't think 2 games are enough to state if she's really that good or not, even shanks can have impact in that team on a good day, she is sure mechanically skilled but i think we need to see more of her in t1 valo to even put her in any conversation

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No shes definitely good, theres no refuting that point but to claim shed be top duelist in NA is by far one of the most delusional statements ever said on VLR including bait

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Yea her impact is not that of a top duelist. Aspas would be singlehandedly winning these games for Apeks, its not like she went against any good teams either way.
I didnt say she was bad but your blatant bias towards her is just weird man, she aint allat

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and this is how we know u are bronze thinking her team is sht lmao. their util enabled her so hard, the only map they won is when someone else played duelist because shes a baiting dog

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bro made an alt to be weird

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you say her team is setting her up but it's only MOLSI, with a 0.46 apr, and she's the ONLY player on her team to have a higher than 0.95 rating. Speaking of which, how is she baiting with a 0.2 fkpr, and ALSO having her team set her up? isn't that the exact opposite of baiting?

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flor can play tho

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Ronyko23

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r u sure about that??

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NRGSUPERFAN

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I assume since trans people can travel there. its the promoting LGQBT that is punishable

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incidmoir

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yes in saudi being lgqbt isnt a problem but promoting it or waving a rainbow flag around is the problem

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delighted

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dw dodonut will play 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

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TM06Nick

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Its not an actual world cup. Its just an invite only tournament. they call it world cup to garner interest

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sideshowsbaldhead

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it’s a literal mickey mouse invitational less significant than lock in with tier 2 level production

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grisx23

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Alright bro I get why you are angry but we can't be saying shit to make a point.

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Raycist

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Americans try not to overrate florescent. Difficulty level—impossible

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Yistyy

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Nah she deserves all the praise she has been getting.

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Raycist

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Not even half of it frankly. Mada, Oxy and zekken even tho semon1 has fallen off he still clears flor. Since the op especially mentioned NA i haven't even included Aspas and Dgzin hell even Keznit might be on par with her if not better. I have no clue how you guys still glaze flor despite having so many goated duelists.

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I think this post it an outlier, most people don’t rate her at that level. The praise she has been getting is that she is definitely a tier 1 level player and arguably the best player on APEKS (I put arguably because of bantujax visa issues so we don’t know what full practiced APEKS team looks like) and possibly a top half duelist in emea

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Thats just because NA is stacked. In emea she is easily a top 3 duelist. That region is so weak she could probably carry apeks to the 3rd seed tbh.

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Raycist

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How is she worthy of all the praise if you're pitting her against weaker players? Also top 3 duelist? lmao
Do you even watch EMEA? If she was so good why she got never won a match lmao? In her first match the duelist of the supposedly bottom feeder team after apeks (GM) cleared her (click). In the next match the smokes player of TL cleared her, she never even faced kajak or derke or lewn. Delusional as you maybe thinking she comes in even top 5 is insane work.

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unfortunately shes not even top 3 duelist, she's top 1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2276/champions-tour-2025-emea-kickoff?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=all
remember its basically a 2v8 and she still playing good

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Raycist

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A lot of players play 2v8 a lot of times and play good. It's about doing it consistently? And what's with the ragebait? Top 1? Seriously? She played only two matches for fuck's sake. Flor is dickriders are a different breed.

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flor is a great player, i think youre overestimating how good people say she is, no one is claiming her to be the best in the world,were just saying she can easily compete with the best of the best. Shes playing on a team that by all metrics is sabotaging her impact. Their strats comps and teamwork seem to be so against Flor being treated as an X factor and its frankly sad.
I personally think players like Aspas and DGZ would be carrying apeks to at least another 2 map wins but nonetheless Flor is an insane prospect

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Raycist

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Are you blind? The people in this post, literally the title itself says she's the best in NA

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JustHunter

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There are always exceptions to the rule, i didnt think id have to explain something that elementary. Are you 5?

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Yistyy

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#22. she has this team on her back and has one of the highest ratings in emea, despite losing both matches!

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Raycist

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She only played 5 maps let that sink in. You have no idea how ratings work. Furia's sub in team's duelist is highest rated in vct Americas so is he better than aspas?

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Yistyy

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lmao that is not the same. you're comparing 5 maps against competent teams vs 2 maps against 2G.

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Clucker

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How far will you go to get flor to jizz all over you

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Yistyy

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Leave the site if you don't want to partake in real discussion. Everything I've said was the facts.

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Raycist

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Only 3 map diffrence, if you're willing to compare flor's stats against teams who have played more than 10 maps then what's the problem with comparing her stats with penny? Who played just 2 maps less than her.

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Yistyy

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I think 100+ rounds is adequate sample size. Penny didn't even play 50. And keep in mind his rating is inflated from playing against 2g.

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goatman123

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brother keiko cleared every single player in EMEA lmao its not the point

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Raycist

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I don't get it, y'all consistently push the agenda that flor is the best but when comparing to good players you fold in a second.

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JustHunter

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he means she diffed keiko who cleared every EMEA player dumbass

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Raycist

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Dogshit reading comprehension. He didn't mean that also she didn't diff shit.

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JustHunter

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" i dont get it"
"he didnt mean that"

Raycist
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Last post: February 11, 2025 at 8:30 PM
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its telling...

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*woke americans

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icy got picked ahead of her for EG, does it mean icy got to play in EWC ?

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TM06Nick

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i doubt theyre going to invite EG lol, from americas it will probably be SEN and 100T

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void_erebos

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Americans try not to overhype trans player: impossible. Flor is fucking C tier player at best

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Dumbass

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Cry

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NOT_A_FURRY_AWOOBARKWOOF

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woah, i didn't know swedes were chill like that.

vi sitter här i venten och spelar lite Dota

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void_erebos

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xd real

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i love flor but like can we please stop overhyping her bcos it just garners hate for no reason. her talents unproven in T1 just yet she has the capabilities ofc but it just sounds like bait tbh

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#1 on acs in emea kickoff is pretty good proof, just gotta see the consistency and more maps now

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loapoarg

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Calling it a world cup is a disgrace
Riot should never allow them to name any tournament a worldcup unless it is conducted by Riot itself
They are selling souls for money
How tf is a invite only tournament world cup

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TM06Nick

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It's world cup to make it sound like a big tournament lol. Saudi government thought they were cooking with this marketing

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You said as if flor had a chance at qualifying for world cup