goat of every role

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Taruuu1

i would say
Duelist - Aspas/Derke
Initiator- Leo/Sacy
Controller - TenZ/Mako
Sentinel - Alfajer/Less
Flex - Chronicle
IGL - Boaster/Saadhak/FNS

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who invited alfa

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Taruuu1

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0/8 bait

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Duelist - Aspas/Derke
Initiator- Leo
Controller - Mako
Sentinel - Alfajer/Less
Flex - Chronicle
IGL - Boaster/Saadhak (sorry but FNS not existing in 2024 makes him not close to these 2 anymore)

WHO TF INVITED SACY and TENZ LMFAOOO??? Are yall fkn stupid or brainwashed???

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Taruuu1

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yeah who invited one of the only 2x international champions in the goat debate

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sacy was relevant before the second goat leo and won masters in a foreign team. no surprise he’s there + his champs performance more than makes up for it

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Mind you Sacy was the best player at the champions final he won and a integral part of Sentinels madrid run respect his fucking name lol

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Come back to NRG kitten

FNC is getting exposed

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malims

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YEAH who invited the only player who has won a masters and a champions... haha imagine right...

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catNmouse

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what do you have against alfa? also you should’ve pointed out tenz not alfa lmao

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NOROTU

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whats with tenz ? point out BOTster

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Tadpole3

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TenZ played Kayo + Gekko for 2/3 of his games lmao

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1/3 he played 3 characters but omen on like 5/7 maps

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too many Alfa haters

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TenZ in top controller...

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fr tho LMFAO

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i rate it a 3/10

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bro said tenz

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Karon/Boo/Chichoo >>TenZ on controller duty.

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Chichoos not a controller player in general put smoggy or smth

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true but he’s played omen and astra in champions

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TenZ is not a controller player as well

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Pretty sure he always played mouse and keyboard buddy.

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Tenz only plays omen when it comes to controllers no? I, personally think s0m is better but I may be severely biased. Either way, I respect your thoughts :D

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nah I've said it before while TenZ is better mechanically S0m is a better smokes player overall as he's demonstrated the ability to play 5/6 controllers at a high level

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yea i agree with u

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saying no to tenz is valid, but I feel like putting someone who has won a title before would make more sense as "goat" of a role

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yea but you can't really call him a pure controller player since he's more of a flex and has only played omen. It's like calling jawgemo or demon1 the goat at smokes

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catNmouse

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i would just put solely mako as goat controller

karon or smoggy can be added but mako been doing this for a long time

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why is there a shitnatic player in every category 😹

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L bait

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Wasn't Alfajer caught mid-game, changing diapers of cuck-NRG players after they literally shat themselves after getting bullied by him? I guess your burger pea sized brain wasn't able to capture that. Understandable, can't expect toddlers to remember everything lmao

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Firstly Mako >>>> TenZ (as a controller, mechanically probably not)

You really picked TenZ as the best controller all time over the likes of Marved, Mindfreak, Karon, Boo, Valyn, Shao (Shao smokes on FPX was good), Kingg, Pancada?

The Omen one trick over arguably some of the best all time smokes players, hell I'd even say SugarZero all time is a better smokes player (bros been top 5 apac controller for like 4 years now) than TenZ

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smoggy > tenz (as a pure controller)

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smoggy too yeah, I forgot about him

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Shao's smokes are kind of amazing, but then again I also think his initiator is possibly even better - that dude is just insane. Kind of weird how navi fumbled with Suygetsu & Shao on the team.

Bit of a tangent anyways, but yeah as a controller Tenz was not even close to being in goat status. Also, no RB or Forsaken for flex is kind of insane (or even Victor D4v41 or Zyppan)

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tenz sneak on controller 😂

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Tenz ISNT a top controller.
Tuzy is a 10x more vialeble option than Tenz.

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Zest

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i would say
Duelist - Wardell
Initiator- drone
Controller - Hazed
Sentinel - cutleR
Flex - Subroza
IGL - Hazed

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What did fns do in the past 2 years?

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wheres jinggg

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Taruuu1

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0 international trophies why would he be the goat of anything

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you put mako on controller

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thats different than Jinggg

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HOWWWWW

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bro u have a point, and might i add that jinggg has reached 2 international finals, m0k0 has done nothing but carry drx to 3rd or 5th/6th, never reaching the finals, mako is only the goat at eating mcdonalds

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Jinggg can play one agent lol

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erm achually jinggg can play raze, neon, reyna, phoenix, clove, sage, thats more than 1 agent, while mako can only play brim, omen, astra and viper. hold that

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brim alone is more useful than 4 of those agents

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indomie

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but game is game, an agent is an agent, 6>4, jinggg goat of valorant, mako goat of big macs

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BAITED

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catNmouse

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where would he be in?

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sentinel for his goat sage

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TenZ🤣🤣🤣 can only play omen

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Sentinel- nAts no discussion
Initiator- sheydos
IGL-Redgar
Duelist- d3ffo
at least you got the flex GOAT right

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wake up bro

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sentinelmain377

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get out of ur 3 year coma

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A lot of fraudmea baiters in this thread

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Hakujitsu

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Duelist: Aspas/Zmjkk/meiy
Initiator: d4v4i
Sentinel: benjyfishy/boostio
Controller: jitboys/sScary/Mako
Flex: F0rsakeN/Primmie/Alfajer
IGL: Boaster/Crws/Mako

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Taruuu1

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💀💀💀💀💀

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egann

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surely this is bait HAHAHAHA

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Lmfao

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Fuckin embarrassing as a same JP fan💀

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Tenz is a very good player overall idk if hes the best controller though

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i don't think that he can be the best duelist/flex neither

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without a doubt in my mind, tenz does not come close to best duelist or flex in any timeline
he plays omen and kayo dude
and you can't be the best duelist if you're not even the best on your team

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i would say
Duelist - Aspas
Initiator- Leo/Sacy
Controller - Mako
Sentinel - Alfajer/Less
Flex - Chronicle
IGL - Boaster/Saadhak

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as much as i love tenz he is not close to goat-level controller

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Derke/Aspas
Leo
Mako
Less/nAts
Chronicle
Boaster

i think Leo is pretty clear of Sacy conversations and pANcada/tenz each only have half the body of work as Mako. Less vs nAts interesting peak vs longevity argument. Derke and Aspas are really hard to differentiate from each other but if I personally had to pick I'd take Derke's longer career. Boaster's made one more LAN and did better with worse players imo than saadhak

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i would 100% put riens on the list after leo and sacy

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Transgender - Florescent

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Aspas
Leo/ Crashies(before he fell off)
Mako
Less (Alfajer is not a senti player, bro wide swings every angle like he's on jett. Gets bailed out by his aim)
Chronicle/Forsaken
Saadhak/ Boaster and FNS (if these two could actually aim)

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saying alfajer is not a senti because he doesn’t play as an anchor is very stupid. Although I do agree than Less is better than alfa

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Aspas
Leo
Tenz
Less
Forsaken

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Chronicle has won 3 internationals, F0rsaken has won ZERO. Chronicle>F0rsaken

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Okay this is just crazy.
Have you compared the number of bums on both teams? Chronicle has to carry very few bums compared to f0rsaken, hence less trophies for him.

Also, not to forget "let's play like it's ranked" coaching from alex

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im not saying f0rsaken is bad but u cant compare the 3 time to f0rsaken lmao

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He has the better team. Why would you even make an individual comparison based on team results. Forsaken is far more flexible while also being able to be a top duelist with better mechanics and utility usage imo. It's not often forsaken underperforms even when his team is losing.

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well thats unfortunate but u cant compare Chronicle to f0rsaken lol

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Sure you can I just did.

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Taruuu1

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ur objectively wrong, f0rsaken has zero trophies chronicle has 3 u lmao

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Don’t care about team based trophies I care about individual play. If you disagree you’re objectively wrong. Oxy hasn’t made a single major in his life and still clears icy, asuna, qck, marteen, autumn, izu, whyz, governor, kai and arguably far more of the duelist that made majors in 2024. If you can’t comprehend that you’re clueless.

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im not saying f0rsaken isnt an amazing player, im saying hes not in the goat debate, how can you be the "greatest of all time" if you havent even won an international event

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i would say
Duelist - Aspas/Derke
Initiator- Leo/Sacy
Controller - Mako
Sentinel - Alfajer/Less
Flex - Chronicle
IGL - Boaster/Saadhak

man now that I look at this list I look back on 2023, where both of these rosters existed (mako was on arguably peak DRX at the start of the season too)

A good 2025 and FNS is back on the list
If GENG make 2 more deep runs in 2025 I think Munchkin also goes on the list

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Who invited Derke, TenZ, Leo, Alfa and Chronicle??

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All of these players have at least 2 trophies, who invited Less?

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Less has Champions and VCT Americas, not to mention 2 VCT BR

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Kiles = Less

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Kiles would be a reserve at DFM
Don't talk shit

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bait used to be believable

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It's just the facts

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0/8

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if tenz is goat controller then so is marved

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fully agree derke is super underrated in these convos

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karon is also kinda in the convo , the smokes dont really have one particular with longevity and like mako hasnt really played international this year

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Tenz should not be here, mindfeak maybe but given his 2024 performance not him as well. Controller players dont seem to have longetivity, in that case for now it should be Karon.