biggest factor is verno if he goes insane like he did in offseason i have trust

leo was mental in 2023 mvp lockin 2nd and super close to mvp in tokyo and good in champs

tbh cyro has never been consistenly good in franchising but sayf was insane in split 2 last year

ik he gets alot of hate bro but i really hope he finds his form back like he was so nice to watch

1 thing is when the squad was winning verno was hard frying rn hes having a mid game

like ik rank is a unreliable estimate but like we have seen crazy rank players become insane pros like karon and flor has been frying rtank for sometime

honestly bro started igling so like his performance will take a hit

who yall think is the better player and like if you were to build a team which player would you choose

ya in terms of fragging its prob king valyn then johnqt

ah chill rossy himself said moose said he was a insane player im pretty sure it was one of the other players who realy wanted him gone

ya

agree man the org is shit bru so when trialing it was all fine then when all teams got their rosters they release rossy, while keeping old players who clearly havent taken the team to new heights

lmao last year chronicle played better and had better stats than forsaken ever had

hahaha lmao you wanna check all the previous vct stats and when did nats last play well on a masters stage or champs

lmao what , whats wrong with that less has constantly performed better than nats

bro ok i get zander was an igl so his performance fell off but hes still in tier 2 and like karon put up impressive stats on big stages and has been a pro for less time plus persia from spg is lgl also and he's fragging out way better than zander was on igl while being a complete amateur in val

and nats?? hes good but past 2 years he has not made a deep run or have a outstanding performance in a big tournament

this is just reality bro you cant sneak someone into a list like this purely off potential and theres people with more potential than zander

what kind of comparison is this even kush and mf? not even the same role

ok no they are stil not winning everything but someone like net or victor to the team will defineitrly give them a good chance at making a lan or smth

idk i think runi's better but idk i think they should try picking up a tier 2 talent or like net no? hes was a free agent and imo is way better than moose

yea dude tripping i think everyone agreed jaw is better just that they feel icy gets too much disrespect

bro idk but i think if kc wants to compete for titles marteen is not ready man he sometimes goes crazy but most of the time is hella quiet idk if im tripping and rn jaw is hard diffing marteen

karon is also kinda in the convo , the smokes dont really have one particular with longevity and like mako hasnt really played international this year

fully agree derke is super underrated in these convos

kaajak is like mechanically better but miniboo does alot of space creating and stuff so before we see kaajak in tier 1 then its diff to say

prx is a hot and cold team if on a day their players not firing well they just gonna get shit on

Less should be here

nah nats is not > zekken, in entire 2024 zekken proved to be one of the best in the world and nats havent got to show his skills so nah, sacy nah he was firing on 2022 loud but firepower dropped a lot in 2023 and 2024, mako hasnt won anything so nah and yea alfajer >

chron should be above on achievements

confirmed?

lets hope fns can carry out fragging like this and ethan bring just a lil more n we good

bro honestly idk sym doesnt feel ready

Zekken

yea probably one of the fnatic guys

leo has aura also

bang has phx there

aspas?

Imao people hating on forsaken for wut even the pros say hes good af and shit, he went from duelist to flex to flex and main caller in the team and hes still only 19

idk i feel like drx this year will be like last year or worse, beyn was consistently decent and fox9 was good and buzz was great i think this team has potential but this new seaon may be underwhelming

bro didnt realise he was 28 but unfortunate to see that likely lakia would not find a team

why drop stax i feel like he has been hard done by he left drx cus he didnt want to be igl now he has to igl and people wants him to be dropped??

also i dont disagree that sentis have good aim and etc but woot's aim > benjy , xeus > yetujey

what are some pros you feel that you just cant find a reason to hate

isit just me but idt that sylvan had the best stats this year

ikr

they are but i think munchkin would be a better pickup, he can igl and play int and also allow mako to frag better

agreed top 2 smokes of all time playing as an igl is criminal

hope its not lakia i feel like drx need some firepower and lakia would not be it

i understand that , its just as compared to other top int his ulti and support doesnt make up for his fragging abilities and if geng were to look for improvement this is easily the easiest area