Women vs Men in esports

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Uncleben

Let’s put this shit to bed rq
Women don’t have any disadvantage to men in esports inherently.
However, video games were considered men’s games for a long time, there was less support for women going pro, not to mention that women face ridiculous amounts of sexism for just playing in general, so they are still catching up to the experience of the avg male pro.
Valorant is one of the first fps games with such a large female player base in the first place, men weren’t enormously talented (compared to today) at css or cs 1.6 either
For an example, Japanese valo pros are far worse than NA pros. Does that mean that NA are genetically better at fps than Japanese players???? No, NA just has more tac fps experience, and the same thing is true for women on a greater scale.

Thank for coming to my TED Talk.

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great post

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Uncleben

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TLDR: men are better at valo due to social conditioning and women’s history with video games. Women will catch-up eventually, we already have a few female players approaching challengers level.

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Yep, straight truth and you can say the same for all marginalized genders.

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Uncleben

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Absolutely. These people face so much backlash for turning on their mic and speaking and have pros refusing to play on a team with them and people expect them to have the same experience as a male pro.

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Only 2 of em brother

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very well articulated and thoughtfully said 🙏

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zardinez

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EXACTLY it's a statistics thing, same as with Chess. More people playing something --> greater skill among the top 0.000001%

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Uncleben

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We can even see this in subregions in valo
Brazil, NA, and Europe in general are the best at valo cause they had strong cs scenes
Korea is the best apac region at valo cause they have fps experience from OW
Men in general have a larger tac fps player base and far more experience than women, ofc they gonna look better

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Wish that's how it worked in League of Legends

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dort

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For an example, Japanese valo pros are far worse than NA pros. Does that mean that NA are genetically better at fps than Japanese players???

yes. NA is just far superior than any other region

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MurphyOW

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W patriotism?

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HadEs_In

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All respect to women who grind and do something for esports scene cause women are the MARGINALIZED part of the esports spectrum and GC is super important for their growth but I am still against men who will identify as anything other than their assigned gender to feel free to get a pass and play in the top stage of GC. I don't give in to this fucked up identity politics which has sown it's seeds through NA GC

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Why is it any different? There is no actual science-based evidence that biological males have an advantage in esports (Physically sure). The reason there are more trans in NA GC can be attributed to the fact that trans people can exist online more easily than in the real world. Online communities have more Trans representation than irl communities.

Read this if u want: https://transreads.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2021-07-16_60f17991bf545_10911359.2014.995392.pdf

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HadEs_In

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Then why is their no Trans person competing in VCT franchise if it doesn't effect, like you can put them in a marginalized part of the community while they will still represent themselves as Male/Female with or without the "TRANS" part, If talent is all above gender then why won't a player like Flor be picked up by a good team.

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MurphyOW

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We should gather all the people that have bad enough reading comprehension and are not willing to learn anything in some hostile island to live by themselves on some attack on titan shit. /s

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HershieBoi

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Because they are marginalized??? Like that’s the literal definition of being marginalized. Flor is trans so why would she change herself for society. You are saying she should not feel the way she feels because you and other people said so??? That’s literally means being marginalized. Many players don’t want to play with her because she is “Different”. And what #15 said below.

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But valorant is a progressive game not like Cs or other shooters i believe if flor or other trans can play in tier 3 with no problem and if someone is being transphobic call him out idk why mel didn't call out the player that was being sexist.i watch only GC champs and it feels like spotlight almost very match the male has the most kills but instead of the male the trans, because simply the trans has more experience.

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HadEs_In

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If he /she doesn't care about society then why won't they play in T2 a tougher circuit with almost no support from Riot than playing in GC ,
You know if being trans was the problem he/she could find 4 more trans people to play with in premier and win ascension like a team called SPG.

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So you're saying we should segregate them. Ah, yes let's segregate the whites and blacks in our communities, surely that's the right thing to do. Ok, I'm being a little passive-aggressive with that lol. The issue is Flor would 100% join a T2 team if she felt like she had the best chances of success in T2, but she doesn't. Like I said, players don't want to play with her because she is trans and it shouldn't be like that. GC helps break that wall down.

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GC is a great way to give stage to players like Flor but I just don't find myself comfortable with trans players who know they are good enough for T2 to polish themselves, even if it has to be teaming up with other trans players and same for women, It just don't feel right when the competition becomes so lopsided. E-sports can only grow if every part of it improves so I think there should be more tournaments that are inclusive rather than putting it as "MARGINALISED" part of the VCT.

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I understand what you are trying to say, but the problem is that being Trans isn't an advantage. there has been no evidence in GC. We have had many games where a team without a trans person won. FlyQuest went out in 2 so why aren't we saying it's unfair to put trans people up against biological women? Read #15!! \/\/\/

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Uncleben

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And yet sarahfrags, noia, Suzu, Mimi, vania, Conir etc etc are way better than every trans player except for flor, so how is this proof of what ur saying?
Flor is just a an anomaly, she clears the majority of male radiants and is easily challengers level anyways, has nothing to do with being trans

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I know these players are talented and I didn't ignore how good they were in any part of the paragraph, I am just not okay with a man getting pass of Marginalized just for not identifying themselves as a man.
Player like Flor should have been bought out long ago if talent was the question.

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Uncleben

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Flor wants to play with this SR roster and make it to challengers with them, you have people like trick aim in challengers and fns and Lakia who can barely put 1kd up in ranked in franchise, if talent was the issue she would have been picked up Long ago

Plus Mel stated that certain players didn’t even want to trial her cause she was a woman, flor likely faces ever more backlash

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youre literally marginalizing flor as we speak

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HadEs_In

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marginalized
/ˈmɑːdʒɪnəlʌɪzd/
adjective
(of a person, group, or concept) treated as insignificant or peripheral.

???????
I literally praised Flor what are you on? I am just saying how does your transitioning play role on what your skill level is and trans people are far from being the marginalized if compared to what cis-women face in ranked everyday because of even speaking in the match.
Flor literally has a voice as deep as any man with adams apple.

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That definition of marginalised is so ass like damn can't believe meL got rejected by a few teams because she's a woman and they see her as insignificant like how does that make sense? By that definition Men would be less marginalised than women in valorant, men are just as significant as any other player, women are just very significant...ly hated.

Also "I literally praised Flor" is absolutely CRAZY, calling a trans person a man does more harm than basically any insult modern English has to offer like imagine calling a black person the hard r while saying they pretending to be black because they wanna be a minority and then being like "how am I marginalising him are you dumb?".

I'm gonna be a POS for the next paragraph and I'm warning you just because I'm not 100% the comment you made was in bad faith so mb just in case I'm bound to crashout after the 92nd hard transphobic comment of the day.

"trans people are far from being the marginalized if compared to what cis-women face in ranked everyday because of even speaking in the match." Just end my life big man what do you mean "in ranked" HOW IS MARGINALISED IN RANKED MATTER? Like yeah no women are in tier 1 valorant, because they get sexism in voice chat, just rip my eyes out so I can never read anything again PLEASE.
Like brother they get that shit IRL too every day of their life and its way worse.
And Imagine how trans people feel then they're own parents desert them in many cases just for them being them, and sounding like a man in valorant voice chat makes you less marginalised and therefore you are competing in GC because you want to farm lower skill players and not because YOU MEET YOUR ACTUAL TEAM IRL AND NOT IN GAME CHAT so if teams don't wanna play with a woman imagine with a trans woman how bad it is, like yeah I'd want to make it to tier one with SR the whole way too because they don't hate the very essence of who I am with a burning passion.
How terminally online must you be for how marginalised a gender is to be determined by their voice in valorant game chat😭😭

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Jezy

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Where’s the evidence never seen them beat top t3 or low t2 in a tournament setting

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That example is just perfect. Chefs kiss

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Hobbit

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People that say that women are biologically worse at videogames don't know Geguri

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well said

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W post, thank you for making it.

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MurphyOW

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Unceben did indeed put this shit to bed. Magnificent Work.

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big uncleben w

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Jezy

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Literally just proof we live in a society 🗿

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Jyhz

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w positive

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w unc

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GhostKing44

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i mean just look at the comments under fly vs zeta. people are still talking about how having transgender and nonbinary players are cheating and shitting on them even tho the literal match result is proving them wrong. like how tf are you gonna shit on them while looking at literal proof it doesnt mean shit.

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based asf

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uncle ben when i eventually get braindead enough to make a tier list of VLR users you are automatically S tier, thank you for being normal 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

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ShuGo

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it's still crazy how people argue about men vs women in video games of all things in their free time
just stfu and ignore they exist or enjoy them if you like them

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catNmouse

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they don’t actually care about gc they just want to make drama which sucks

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Nachtel

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it brings a tear to my eye to see someone who isn't braindead 🥲