OpTic players all officially washed?

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I think this may be the last year anyone seriously considers any of the OpTic players to be current competitors. Victor, crashies and Marved's time is tier 1 is more or less finished, we know this is FNS' last year competing and yay is at his lowest point ever. If it doesn't work out for him on EG then this may be his last year competing as well.

All of OpTic may be out of tier 1 in 2026

Actual tragic times icl

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kanyefan4238173

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Crashies > zellsis tbh

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SuperRoss

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no?

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dort

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why is the truth being downvoted?

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kanyefan4238173

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You should be familiar with that by now

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TM06Nick

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Because 1 of those players has more social clout than the other

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Kiko

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because zellshits has brainwashed the valorant fanbase

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valkin

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zellsis is probably a better caller though from what pro players say

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kanyefan4238173

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Yeah and he might be more flexible but people underrate how flexible crashies is

I still think crashies is better, but zellsis can provide a little more outside of gameplay

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valkin

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based honestly people look bad on crashies cus of last year but he was p good

and people overrate the fuck out of zellsis' impact outside of gameplay imo when i look at sen while they are losing i dont see the same vibes merchant that we saw in the beginning of the season

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finnwithtwons

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facts, as dogshit as he did last year crashies was actually able to put up elite performances post-optic and looked like the best initiator in americas at times in 2023

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nobody___100

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9 downvotes for this is crazy icl
crashies is better than zellshits in every aspect except faking hype and marketing a video game skin

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kanyefan4238173

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sen city moves in silence...

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nobody___100

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to all the sen fans i hope your big mac is cold and fossilized and your bank shuts your credit card down for gifting too many subs in tenz chat

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teilwal

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people will look back next year and realize you were spittin

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kanyefan4238173

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-15 is actually crazy

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K4ziuHa

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Player Vs Merchant
Pure skill wise yes,
If we are talking about overall team value then zellsis is a bit higher (obviously it depends on the team dynamics he helped Sen alot but probably wouldn't do much for a team like fnatic23/24)

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calImegod

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Prx is next buddy

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j0ngg

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meanie

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saddest part is how badly EG managed to overshadow the ENVY/OPTIC era within just 5 months. OPTIC guys gonna retire knowing an NA team managed to accomplish what they couldn’t.

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if fns doesn’t do anything this season then can we really say that any of the old optic roster are really the NA goats anymore

edit: and yay, forgot he is going to eg

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I mean marved is probably still top 5 NA smokes of all time
(not in order)
tenz marved demon1 s0m jawgemo valyn are like the only people that can contend for top 5 and tbh I think hes guaranteed top 3 anyway

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Marved, Valyn, s0m are all pure smokes players, Demon1, TenZ, and Jawg are duelists who can flex to smokes so I'd argue those have an asterix over them.

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Hyopic

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yea I usually say top 2 is marved and s0m but people say demon1 (although I would argue that purely as a smokes player he is not nearly as good)

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MerkFreeks

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Demon1 as a smokes player objectively is better than TenZ and Jawg, those 2 are simply Omen flex fills, I'd much rather list players like Bang, Supamen, potentially Zander, v1c, Skuba, gMd in the conversation for good NA controllers over duelist flex guys that put up numbers.

Like sure theres a huge gap from the likes of Marved and Valyn (objectively the best 2 NA smokes all time) followed by the likes of consistently really good like s0m, Bang, Supamen.

Reason behind some of the tier 2 names/upcoming tier 1 is because those guys have been playing smokes most of if not all of their career and have been arguably some of the best in the roles for that time. Are they better players overall than TenZ Jawg and Demon1, no but as a pure controller player yes due to role versatility

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Hyopic

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if you say demon1 is better because of his flexibility, jawgemo has played omen astra and harbor for that same EG team and to be honest I doubt he would be unable to play brimstone
For tenz, it does apply more

imo
Marved
Valyn
S0m
Bang
demon1

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MerkFreeks

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Yeah thats fair, I just dont remember seeing Jawg play astra or harbor so thats my bad. But yeah that list is fair.

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finnwithtwons

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this is true for tenz, not jawg, who also played astra and harbor
also i'll throw in that what defines a pure controller player should probably go beyond simply checking the box of being able to play all six controller agents - there is very much a playstyle aspect to being a pure smokes main, and this playstyle aspect is what arguably inhibits someone like tenz from being asked to play brim and viper and astra
tying that to jawg specifically, i think jawg pretty evidently has the skillset to adjust how he plays different agents to meet the expectations of his role, instead of the alternative where the agent capability has to come to meet the player's style
tbh i would say jawg is also less impressive on controller to where i wouldn't define him as a top tier smokes player the way i would s0m or valyn, but he is able to adjust his playstyle to be a smokes main

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K4ziuHa

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Tenz is not a duelist he's a flex that's very comfy on omen.

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fns and y0y look ready to retire to me

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BOI WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT MARVED WINTER ARC AURA AND NORADRENAILINE + BALKAN RAGE MANGO MANGO MANGO

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kanyefan4238173

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ROFL xD

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femboyenjoyer

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does this look like a joke to you

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Kuyra

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Yes.

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nobody___100

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brazilian kirya wtf

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Pyr0t

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probably a hot take but victor's neon and raze are still world class, he just didn't abuse the new broken slides as well as someone like kangkang did

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charleser

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Call me crazy but I think Victor deserves another shot in tier 1, like did he even have that bad of a year? Crashies was the one whose individual performance tanked.

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yellow_donkey

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you have a bit of a point tbh. victor did have his moments but with the talents coming into the scene, it might be hard for him to find a tier 1 team rn.

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finnwithtwons

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tons of players that objectively are good enough to have a spot will be out of a team, there arent enough franchised teams to fit everyone
just kind of how talent cycling goes, good to give fresher names a shot

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NotAPaycheckStealer

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Korea banned adderall... my goat yay will be back

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AfterGlow22

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yay's lowest point ever was when he played for DSG, this could be his redemption arc for all we know, we'll just have to wait and see

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LowGun

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I mean Bleed was not any better tho

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AfterGlow22

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At least yay actually won a game and was in tier 1 lol

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Aayan

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I think marved has still got it (maybe Victor too)
(maybe I'm just coping)

yay's getting his chance on EG so I'm happy
I think FNS has said 2025 will be his last year competing (as you mentioned now that I read it)