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tired of the aspas disrespect

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#1
michaelisupset

aspas was the best entry player in 2022 and 2023. the only reason he wasn’t a direct entry this year was because his team clearly didn’t want him to be. you think it was his decision to op on attack and not the igl, the secondary caller, or the coach?

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SuperRoss
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aspas was also by far the best duelist this year

#3
michaelisupset
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yep. his consistency this year was insane

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meanie
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biggest zekken dick rider on platchat trying his hardest to push this anti aspas agenda birthed by the most retarded users on vlr.gg should be punishable. the man wants aspas OFF duelist LMAOOOO

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vrope
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why did he say aspas off duelist

#12
meanie
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he thinks aspas isn’t good enough for duelist unironically

#15
vrope
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he has been a top duelist for years though

#34
Hynix
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who said this btw?

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paivaop
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newbren (newbie + bren)

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Tadpole3
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Nope they said Aspas could move to Sentinels they didn't say he's not good enough for duelist. Meanie is a known illiterate

#44
Hynix
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damn he is retarded

#14
kanyefan4238173
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because aspas doesnt entry like the duelists who won smth this year
zekken, t3xture, kangkang

#18
vrope
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but he did just watch the game and you will see. he was entrying till the last few rounds vs edg and had been all year

#19
catNmouse
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aspas being on sentinel is still a stupid take though, put him on a different team next year and he will go back to being a hard entry

#21
Hyssopus1
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https://imgur.com/a/mXDzgAp

Keznit baits more than him by your logic.

#22
kanyefan4238173
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I called Keznit a baiter too bro

It’s probably because their team dynamics are similar

#5
kanyefan4238173
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he was a baiter in 2023 too. saadhak entried more than him

#6
michaelisupset
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just not true at all

#7
kanyefan4238173
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yes it is, at lock in saadhak took more first duels

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michaelisupset
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look at every champs match and tokyo match. aspas was consistently getting more first engagements than anybody in the server

#27
c4rrotstix
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"look at tokyo match"
opinion immediately invalid

#28
c4rrotstix
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in Champs 2023 on Attack side fk-fd per match:
DRX
W - Lotus: Aspas 1-1 Saadhak 4-0
L - Split: Aspas 1-3 Saadhak 1-1
L - Ascent: Aspas 4-3 Saadhak 1-2 (HOWEVER cauanzin had 3-1 fk/fd)

TL
W - Ascent: Aspas 0-1 Saadhak 0-1
W - Split: Aspas 4-2 Saadhak 0-2

Navi
L - Pearl: Aspas 2-4 Saadhak 2-3
W - Ascent: Aspas 1-2 Saadhak 2-1
W - Bind: Aspas 3-0 Saadhak 1-2

Fnatic
W - Ascent: Aspas 1-2 Saadhak 0-2 (Less was 2-3)
W - Lotus: Aspas 1-0 Saadhak 2-2

PRX
L - Lotus: Aspas 2-3 Saadhak 2-3
W - Split: Aspas 3-2 Saadhak 0-0 (cauanzin 2-2)
L - Pearl: Aspas 3-3 Saadhak 2-0

EDG
L - Bind: Aspas 1-1 Saadhak 1-3
W - Ascent: Aspas 2-1 Saadhak 1-0
W - Haven: Aspas 2-1 Saadhak 2-2

FNC
W - Split: Aspas 2-1 Sadhaak 2-2
L - Ascent: Aspas 2-0 Sadhaak 1-2 (Cauanzin went 4-1)
W - Haven: Aspas 3-1 Sadhaak 0-1

EG
L - Ascent: Aspas 2-4 Sadhaak 3-1
L - Lotus: Aspas 1-0 Sadhaak 0-0 (Less was 2-0, Caua was 0-2)
W - Pearl: Aspas 1-2 Sadhaak 2-1 (Caua was 2-1)
W - Split: Aspas 1-1 Sadhaak 2-0 (Less was 1-4)
L - Bind: Aspas 0-3 Sadhaak 1-1

Final total:
Aspas - 61-41
Sadhaak - 32-30

if we remove the PRX game:
Aspas: 53-33
Sadhaak: 28 - 27

If we put in the hms per match:
Aspas - 53-33
Sadhaak+extra - 44-47

I'm not gonna go through all of Zekken's games, but the madrid finals had:
L - Breeze: zekken 3-3, ENTIRE REST OF SEN 1-2
W - Bind: zekken 3-2, ENTIRE REST OF SEN 5-3
L - Ascent: zekken 2-4, ENTIRE REST OF SEN 2-1
W - Split: zekken 1-2, ENTIRE REST OF SEN 6-2
W - Icebox: zekken 2-1, ENTIRE REST OF SEN 4-0

#33
BulkyLettuce
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it is true, keep defending a trash baiter. You suck it good

#36
michaelisupset
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you mad cause he clears everybody on prx?

#38
catNmouse
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i don’t mean to be that guy but they are undefeated vs aspas

#39
BulkyLettuce
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what? PRX has never lost to aspas even once and aspas has never beat PRX. Stop projecting

#45
uwukitten
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trophy check?

#49
BulkyLettuce
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prx - two regional trophies

th - 0 trophies

#50
uwukitten
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"regional trophies" 😹😹😹good one

#51
BulkyLettuce
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where is heretics regional trophies? 😹😹😹

be the best in your region first then talk to me 😭😭😭

#53
uwukitten
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cope is free 🥱heretics same international final appearances in one year as PRX in 4, embarrassing really

#8
shzuo
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The narrative of Aspas baiter is the most crazy gaslight I've ever seen on esports. People are blind.

#47
machape
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Its crazy how aspas went from goat contender to baiter after a bad performance

#11
Ultia
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The meta has changed since the days of slow defaults with concrete information; teams are opting for more bursty, fast-paced play that benefits hard entry duelists.

Aspas isn’t suited to the current meta compared to players like Zekken, T3xture, KangKang, and Jawgemo. Do you think Aspas is the type of player to just send it for his teammates like icy would? Nah.

#13
michaelisupset
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aspas started his career with these flashy entries. thinking he can’t do it now is either pure stupidity or baiting

#25
Ultia
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People fall off and everyone else continues to improve. Yay did it — Aspas wouldn’t be the first, and he definitely won’t be the last. I could name at least 7 other world class players that entry better for their teams than he does.

KK | T3xture | Buzz | Derke | Miniboo | Zekken | Jawgemo

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catNmouse
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Do you think Aspas is the type of player to just send it for his teammates like icy would?

Considering he won champs doing this, I’d say so

#24
Ultia
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He wasn’t even the third most impactful player on his team for that run and Saadhak shouldered a ton of the first engagements alongside another player depending on the map. Here’s the spread for 2022:

  • Aspas: 29.6%
  • Saadhak: 25.8%
  • Less: 20.3%
  • Pancada: 12.3
  • Sacy: 12%

Let’s contrast that to other duelist first engagements for their respective teams in 2024. These stats are pull from champs except for T3xture’s because GenG bombed out.

  • icy: 23.9%
  • Aspas: 25.4%
  • Derke: 31.6%
  • Miniboo: 31.8%
  • Zekken: 38.5%
  • T3xture at Shanghai: 38.9%
  • KangKang: 42.3%
  • Buzz: 42.4%

Aspas was closer to Icy than any of his other contemporaries this year and his peak in 2022 still had less hard entries than is required to be successful in this meta.

Edit: I forgot to mention this but Tex literally took more first engagements than Aspas did at Champs with him straight up on hard entry a number of attack rounds.

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molayking2
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And you think he's baiting? Lev obviously want to keep aspas alive for as long as possible to get as much value as possible. Teams literally play to not fight into aspas, the longer a round plays out the easier it will be for aspas to find duels

#29
Ultia
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I don’t get that reasoning. If Aspas is so favored in duels, why wouldn’t you want him to consistently take initial contact given the odds conversion of a 5v4 in pro play? Your duelist has the least amount of utility throughout the course of a round and it’s why they’re often the first to die while controllers and initiators with rechargeable utility tend to be closer/clutchers.

Aspas isn’t special. Yet he plays like he doesn’t trust his teammates to properly set him up or trade him. Those “Statspas” allegations seriously have weight too when you watch him in clutch scenarios where he will never half a defuse and always prioritizes his life. He’s individually consistent sure, but he’s no team player.

#30
molayking2
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First of all, on attack aspas plays off the utility and has a very methodical approach, he doesn't just dash in after a pop flash and hope it works out. Even tacolilla could just create space but you are just wasting aspas's mechanics by just putting him in a bad situation where he can't get a fair fight. On defense, other than the op, aspas doesn't take initial contact because teams will literally just go to the other site once they find him, it would be easier for aspas to find opportunities if the team is hitting his site and not just playing retake simulator.

Neilzinho said it himself, aspas is a very hard player to kill and trade which makes it annoying to play against him. The longer aspas is alive and the more he can play off his teammates and util, the more value he gets. Aspas on LOUD was one of the best entry players in the world, LEV obviously just want him to play this way because they think it works. Also sure, aspas plays clutches terribly but most duelists/players with insane mechanics play clutches terribly as well. Just because he doesn't commit to try and win a 1v2 doesn't mean he's baiting.

#37
Ultia
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He doesn’t take enough risks. That’s all it comes down too.

He’s so “smart” about his fights that he won’t take bad ones when his team needs him to. I’m not criticizing whether he prefers to play fast rotate on defense or how much utility he needs before taking a fight. It’s just undeniable that he won’t take bad odds even when it’s sometimes what’s necessary.

#41
molayking2
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If he needed to take these “risks” so often then lev wouldn’t be winning games. The only time he would need to take these risky fights in maybe in a 2v4 or 3v5 situation.

#46
Ultia
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Let’s just agree to disagree. Have a good one man.

#16
ionlyHave1Zuni
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take so good i started sobbing

#17
ValAnalist
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I spread knowledge daily and there are people who still prefer to find out via plat chat. 🤷‍♂️
That's why they're stupid

#23
HIGHASGFCCK
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It's funny because if he were American these casters wouldn't have any doubts that he's the best, idk its just funny how this guys think ngl

#31
cristiadu
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Bren helped the narrative of aspas being "a stats player", which I don't know why he commented that out of the best player on Lev as if that makes his fault they lost, lol.

#32
SAMPV6
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People just chew up and spew out the same narrative without using a single brain cell

#40
Bigpoopy
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i agree. most people dont really understand that teams plan out a structure together on how to play out rounds. they're projecting their dissatisfaction of their ranked teammates.

#43
Demon1_The_GOAT
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Aspas is all around the best player in the world. Every team would want him as their duelist if he was affordable.

#48
yossyoss
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But aspas 2024 just alright

#52
KennyJones
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''aspas was the best entry player in 2022 and 2023.'' Stfu https://imgur.com/BtJnWrr

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