Artificial intelligence

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saebr

Anyone else thinking about how fairly fucked we are with the upbringing of A.I. and the advancements in many fields? Maybe I am overthinking it but it really is progressing at an alarming rate. It was initially simple things, like chat bots, but now it can replicate art well and produce new pieces. It's also taking careers in the workforce simple things like production line workers or advanced things like software engineers (though a little less advanced in those fields)

It feels like it's taking everything from us. Why is AI taking our hobbies as well? What is the point of trying to replace everybody?

And the developers of these AI seemingly have no restraint, and if they do, it's only to the degree that they'll let you access these programs for a price.

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IZAYA_ORIHARA

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AI also has good sides like cancer detection etc.

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saebr

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How can i read further on this? Im not sure what you mean by cancer detection 🤔

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IZAYA_ORIHARA

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https://www.aamc.org/news/it-cancer-artificial-intelligence-helps-doctors-get-clearer-picture#:~:text=While%20AI%20is%20not%20commonly,plans%20when%20cancer%20is%20found.

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Tadpole3

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Well it makes images clearer not necessarily "detect cancer"

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Nachtel

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he said cancer detection, which could also mean "helps in detecting cancer", not necessarily "being the thing that detects cancer"

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I'm glad you mentioned this. I work at a company that builds CT machines and clear imagery is incredibly important. There's a tradeoff when it comes to getting scanned: either you keep the radiation dose low and have a noisy image, or you up the dose and make the image clearer. Of course, too much radiation is bad for you, so we want the dosage to be low. But a noisy image can make a doctor completely miss something, which is bad if not even worse.

During training I was given two images of the same organ that had different noise levels. The clearer one showed some stuff that would indicate a tumor, and the noisy one did not. Image quality can literally determine whether you will find cancer in your system or if it will stay hidden until it's too late.

The benefit of AI here is that it's allowing us to improve the image quality through training the AI while not having to increase the dosage. The AI can read the noisy image and basically fill in the gaps to make the resolution better.

It's super interesting stuff.

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saebr

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This is very interesting, and if AI can help advancements in health then that's a really positive outcome. But knowing AI sometimes it can schizo things, I'm sure it's a well trained AI to be used in a professional environment but I doubt it works 100% of the time, right? As someone with no medical experience at all, I must ask how would they double check that the signs are actually there if the technology they use to check is already AI? Thank you for sharing smiley face

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bearmans

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yeah my job field also affected by AI...
well, shit happened and i'm just a little guy.

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saebr

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Sorry to hear that bear mans 😔. I haven't settled on a career path yet but everything looks a little less appealing when it'll probably completely unviable in 10 maybe even 5 years. What's your job field btw?

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bearmans

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art and such. i did thought of changing my career but then art is all i can do.

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saebr

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At least it can double as a hobby still lol. Hope u found something that works for now, losing your job isnt no joke 🤬🤬🤬Though, i think that mindset is a bit unhealthy. I think it'd still be a good idea to try other things even without the ai apocalypse. Make the most of the world and try everything kind of philosophy y know 😊 Most important part is just sticking to it 🫡

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art legit wont get fully replaced by ai

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Boketto

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honestly it depends I think certain fields such as graphic design that companies need often and don't care about the actual authenticity of the art and are willing to use ai for cheaper will get replaced but I think a lot of other fields such as producing music or logos or cover art for a new book things that require more thought and generally have more meaning behind each part won't be completely replaced and only people that do it for money and not for the sake of making good music etc. will use AI

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Nachtel

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commercial art will imo. an entire industry of work outsourced to professional cartoonists or artists will definitely go to AI,

why have some bozo make your logo when you can just ask AI to make one

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rtg9000

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supply for human artists will probably far outweigh demand though imo

so either you're gonna get paid like shit (even worse than rn) or you're gonna have to be super duper lucky to get work

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saebr

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I meant to reply but i made another post instead sorry accidentally bump 😭😭

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Boketto

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This is normal its just the cycle of modern civilization. A new automation comes around replaces many jobs. Generally jobs that don't require much learning or experience. Many people lose their jobs and only the people who makes the automation or peoples jobs that require much more learning of experience don't get affected.

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saebr

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Though, previously the majority of the automations made it easier for the fields they were intended for and not completed replace the person behind it. In fact, previous automations often created more jobs at the same time.

But the only jobs AI will create are "prompt engineers" 😔
This is so sad

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Boketto

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Yeah it is sad but eventually everyone will get used to it and new generation of kids will have a few less job they could work

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Yuh_aye

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No it won't, for two big reasons

The fundamental fallacy is assuming there is a fixed amount of work to do. There is quite literally an infinite amount of things you could do with your time. If one thing saves you time somewhere, it opens up opportunity to do something else. If you were stuck alone on an island you'd spent a majority of your time trying to find a way to get safe drinking water. If you were handed a magic cup that fully purifies all water that goes into it, you now would spend your time on other things, such as finding food. If I gave you a magic box that you can always pull food out of, now you can spend that time on building a raft, or a shelter, etc. The possibilities are infinite. The same principle applies when you scale it up to a society level. Google "Switchboard Operator". They weren't necessary anymore, so they found other things to do.
Even though they can do pretty cool things, we aren't even close to a real artificial intelligence. They don't 'think'. It's all probabilistic and statistical models with better marketing.
https://probml.github.io/pml-book/book1.html
https://probml.github.io/pml-book/book2.html

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tserc

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TW: This is my opinion only.

Well, it was humans who developed AI, so technically, in terms of experience and our knowledge of how life actually works, us humans still have the advantage.

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i11matic

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Ai is only bad in this capitalistic system where 0.1% percent of the population have 99% of wealth.

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Boketto

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Real

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bees

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It's also bad in engagement-optimized social media

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i11matic

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Guess what system encourages this type of media to happened?

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bees

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Oh I know, I just mean that sort of thing would stick around even if we changed our socioeconomic systems because it's such an addiction at this point. Maybe not with the right regulation tho idk

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Yeah this, AI is only a problem in the job market if we live in a system that requires people to have a job to be able to live. The more AI takes over jobs unchecked, the worse the job market will be because AI will never make close to enough jobs with how many it takes away, unlike previous automation (which still was bad for the job market because companies only care about efficiency, ie money). I just hope we realize this before it gets too bad

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It's frankly just ridiculous that we're at the point of entire job markets being performed by AI, and yet we still don't have basic necessities of life guaranteed for everyone.

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saebr

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Yep. Greedy companies looking for ways to make more money while we will be left looking for what ways we even can make money. Absolutely ridiculous

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josef_ow

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The thing is, actual AI is still in its infancy. What we see right now (chatbots and stuff) is GenAI, which is still extremely limited. GenAI will never fully replace human intervention, as it is not aware of what it actually generates. Basically AI right now is not actually smart, its just good at faking being smart by spitting out what smart people say on the internet. So it will still need human intervention in most domains.

This is a take from Yann LeCun btw (who is basically the AI goat) if you want to know more about this.

That said it is scary what GenAI can still do in domains like art, which is frankly fucking sad imo cuz it just removes soul and emotions from the most beautiful stuff humans do (paintings, music, etc)

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Nachtel

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It can't overtake its own knowledge by itself, but it can definitely replace so many jobs with the knowledge we've already fed it.

It's still a looming threat

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ash_knuckles

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yann leCUNNY (I've been sitting on this joke for 3 yrs sorry)

also we have gen+non-gen (multimodal?) models now, but companies are in a mad dash to scale so it's all just patchwork. give it 5 years basically, we'll either have artificial general intelligence in 5 years, or back to the drawing board

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Not the first time when technology evolution took jobs