LOUD was not one of the worst teams in the America

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LOUD had a better year than NRG, EG and C9, they are the sixth best team in the Americas.

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Loud had a good Madrid, then became one of the worst teams

cloudberry

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LOUD also made playoffs in Split 1 before losing to 100 Thieves, who won the whole Split and qualified as first seed

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cameran

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then in that case KC shouldnt be flamed for not making shanghai and champs cuz they lost to fnc and fut so W on them at least

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not5kin

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nah losing to fut is an L

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cameran

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nah fut were really good in stage 1 and they also made a decent placement in shanghai, lost to FNC as well who won the stage

then stage 2 also lost vs fnc

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cloudberry

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KC shouldn't be flamed for anything other than not being able to midround, because otherwise they performed exceptionally well this season and would've made Champions if Vitality didn't exist

kalayav_n

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LOUD as an ORG are dogshit, LOUD players apart from qck are top 5 nbest players in their roles; LOUD coach? very dogshit

GambleNats

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idk about top 5 in the role
less? yeah, cauinzin? no, tuyz? no, pancada? no, sadhaak? since he is a great igl, yah

catNmouse

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nah cauanzin is very good even if he did shit this year. he’s better than eeiu imo

debatably top 5 despite not winning any international trophy

novato1

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caunzin has a lot of firepower, tuyz and pancada are the best smokers, saadhak is no longer there :( but we have saadZAP

GambleNats

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list of better controllers (no viper):
Chichoo
Smoggy
TenZ
Wo0t
Mako
KiNgg, Valyn, Boo
Mindfreak
Karon

List of better intiators:
Forsaken
Trexx
Chronicle
Riens
Nobody
beyn
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trent
sacy

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forsaken is NOT better than cauanzin 😭

i think he’s better than beyn and trent

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GambleNats

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utility wise, sure caua is better but I mean forsaken was putting up ridiculous numbers on inti

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cauanzin also did that when his team was playing like shit this year + did it against fnatic twice in champs. none of their prx players know how to play sova properly and cauanzin also knows how to play every initiator well except for gekko, that just gives him an edge over most initiators

ok maybe cauanzin is not top 5 BUT you can’t lie he’s close to that

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yeah he def comes close. a breakthrough tournament or two and I could even see him being in contention of the best

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? lol

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novato1

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I meant that Tuyz and Pancada are the best smokers in Brasil...

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GambleNats

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oh in brasil? for sure, I thought they were talking about top 5 overall

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smoggy, woot, mako, kingg, valyn and mindfreak are NOT better controllers than pancada LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

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catNmouse

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nah respect smoggy tho, he picked up smokes this year and already knows how to use his util well etc also has the same amount of trophies as pancada

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Pancada 2024? S0m clears.

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GambleNats

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theres no way you believe that. pancada has had 1 single tournament where he looked like the best controller and either just good to mid in the rest of his career.

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novato1

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he didn't look like it, he was the best player... he was completely wasted in the sentinels, his biggest mistake was leaving Loud, if he hadn't left, he would be in his best shape

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GambleNats

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his master reyk looked good at best, his copenhagen was at a similar level, his champs was toptier, his previous year was mid and his 2024 state is extremely mid

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novato1

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He came back as the best on the Loud team even though he had spent a long time without playing... it's obvious that he wouldn't return to his best form right away.

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GambleNats

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he has only showed that form in 1 event... in his entire career

continue thread →

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ValAnalist

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kekw list. Tenz top 3 controllers lmao. Agent pool doesn't matter to your list, right?

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GambleNats

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brother he was frying in champs, and this is coming from a person who heavily argued that tenz wasnt allat

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ValAnalist

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But not because his skills as controller. His good aim, make him a great player.

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GambleNats

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unless their utility is awful, I dont consider agent utility that much. otherwise a player like s1mon would be highly rated, tenz is a controller player at the end of the day and that role allows him to frag out. see him play duelist in 2023?

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loloscum

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Your comment is idiotic, you cannot make a list of best controllers based on aim..

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GambleNats

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if you are performing on your role, that should be included, your kills have an incredible impact.

is your list having s1mon as the best intiator in the world?
im really intrigued, is boaster a top controller? surely he is right because utility > performance

so boaster > mako, karon, tenz, pancada, smoggy, etc

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novato1

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and even in terms of aim, pANcada crushes Tenz

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GambleNats

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pancada has put up numbers in a single event T-T

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GambleNats

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oh btw the list isnt in order, I just put people better than "x"

but even have said that tenz would be like 4th behind karon only

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sergueiessenine

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nobody com (LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) trent beyn sacy arent better initiators than cauanzin

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GambleNats

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nobody has been an incredible igl, your just a com hater,

trent, beyn sacy and cauanzin are all people I argue are at a similar level and Idrm who you put above who

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and let it be clear that although qck isn't top 5, he's still good and he was not the one to blame when loud crumbled and came up with pancada

and yes, loud are lucky as HELL. their management is shit, their CEO is childish, their fanbase is horrendous (sometimes criminal). FURIA deserved to be successful way more than LOUD

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kalayav_n

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of course, its all on louds coaches, loud as an org fired fRoD(one of the best coaches itw) and decided to hire some brazilian coaches who dont give a fuck and see the job as a "casual 9-5"

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cristiadu

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honestly yeah, I agree

novato1

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Loud in stage 1 was doing really well compared to stage 2, if they had had patience they could have performed better...