i saw it was trendy to flame aspas so i did it just to get validation from the gringos guys on the site

can i join the secret vlr discord now??? 🥺

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Imagine the following scenario:

You’re an Aspas fan
You believe he’s the greatest player of all time, no debate
You realize you’re trapped in a time loop
Every time you refuse to accept he’s overrated, the day resets
Every time you rationalize it, you go back to the start
You see him being last alive almost every round as a duelist
You think: “he’s just playing smart”
The day resets
You see him waiting for the sentinel to go in first on site
You think: “insane composure, best in the world”
The day resets
You see him messing up the team comp by refusing to play meta agents
You think: “it’s his style, the best in the world doesn’t need meta”
The day resets
You see him ruining the team economy by forcing OP on attack for the 5th time in a row
You think: “if he’s buying it, it’s worth it”
The day resets
Loop
Loop
Loop
You’ve been in this for years
But one day… something changes
You watch another round
He’s last alive again
You take a deep breath
“…ok, this is kinda weird”
The day doesn’t reset
For the first time, you accept it
You move on with your life
You stop arguing on VLR
You accept he’s overrated
You finally find peace

caesar was great but augustus clears

hes still holding the ring box in his pocket instead of putting it on her finger lmaooo

i mean he kinda put that pressure on himself when he chose to propose like that. not like he did anything wrong it was just funny

bro proposed to his girlfriend and when she said yes instead of hugging his future wife he went and hugged the interviewer 😭

https://x.com/i/status/2033254212755132647

hes saying chronicle did really well considering vitality was playing with a sub because sayonara couldnt play

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the child is completely innocent and shouldn’t be blamed for the situation. we both agree that protecting the child is important.

where we disagree is about how the adult who was deceived can respond to trauma and whether the state should force them to maintain financial responsibility. i believe there are situations where emotional distancing or even temporary rejection is understandable, given the betrayal, and that there are fairer ways to handle the child’s support than automatically placing the burden on the deceived parent.

we clearly see this differently, but i appreciate the discussion. it was good talking with you.

i think there are completely understandable situations where the love a man felt for a child can turn into emotional distance or even rejection, given the full context of trauma, something i honestly think you’re underestimating.

that said, i’m not saying he should just ignore the child. i just think there are far fairer solutions the state could adopt, like requiring the biological father to pay, or even the state stepping in to cover the child.

of course, the easiest solution is to put the obligation on the deceived man, but that doesn’t make it the right or fair solution.

i understand that the child did nothing wrong, and no one is saying they should be treated poorly. that’s not the point.

the point is that when someone is deceived for years about something as central as paternity, the emotional impact is inevitably huge. love and attachment can easily turn into confusion, anger, or even rejection, it’s a trauma response, not a moral failure.

in this specific case, do you really think the best solution is to force the deceived man to pay for the child? do you honestly think that’s the fairest solution?

you’re kind of forcing your own moral framework onto everyone else.

who are they

that’s exactly where we disagree. saying “it shouldn’t matter” ignores how human bonds actually work. relationships don’t exist in a vacuum, they’re built on trust. when that foundation is destroyed, the impact doesn’t disappear just because it shouldn’t matter.

Emotional distance or even rejection after a betrayal this severe isn’t sociopathy, it’s a trauma response.

you’re framing “not feeling the same bond” as a moral failure, when in many cases it’s a defense mechanism.

choosing to care for a child is one thing. demanding that someone maintain the exact same emotional bond after discovering the entire relationship was built on a lie is something very different.

i agree that everything here is complicated and that there’s no “good” ending. but i think you’re starting from some flawed assumptions.

saying “he would’ve paid anyway” only makes sense if he had chosen that with the truth on the table. here, the bond was built on fraud. continuing voluntarily is very different from being legally forced after the lie is exposed.

putting the child’s future above the man’s mental health as if it’s an unavoidable trade-off creates a false dilemma. it shouldn’t be one or the other. the biological father exists, and the person who cheated and lied also bears direct responsibility.

framing the man’s reaction as “just running off” minimizes the psychological impact of discovering that years of your life were built on a lie.

no one is saying the child doesn’t matter. the question is why the system consistently chooses the easiest solution, keeping the current payer, instead of the fairest one, which would be holding the people who caused the situation accountable.

kick him

you’re seriously underestimating the impact of trauma here. love turning into anger or emotional shutdown after a betrayal like this it’s a very common human response.

discovering that the child you cared for for years isn’t biologically yours and that the person you trusted most lied to you the entire time can completely break someone’s sense of reality, identity, and trust. that kind of shock messes with people in deep ways.

empathy for the child matters, no one disputes that. but erasing empathy for the deceived person and pathologizing his reaction as “sociopathy” is just moral shortcutting. trauma doesn’t come with clean, socially acceptable emotions.

saying “there shouldn’t be a need to force it” ignores reality. if love and care were guaranteed outcomes after fraud, the law wouldn’t need to force anything in the first place.

the issue isn’t whether someone can keep loving or helping the child, it’s whether the state should force that outcome when the entire situation was built on deception.

that’s a huge oversimplification. no one is saying feelings can just be switched off. the point is that love cannot be imposed by law, especially when it was built on fraud.

feeling confusion, anger, or even distancing after discovering a betrayal like this doesn’t make someone a sociopath, it makes them human. sociopathy is a lack of empathy, not having a trauma response.

choosing to care for a child is one thing. being legally forced to carry the consequences of a lie that shattered your life is something very different.

imagine this situation. a guy raises a child for 3 years believing it’s his. then he finds out his partner cheated and decides to do a dna test, only to discover the child isn’t his.

do you really think it’s fair for him to be punished twice? first by the betrayal, then by being legally forced to carry the consequences of a lie he never chose.

honestly, that has to be one of the worst feelings someone can experience. protecting the child matters, but completely ignoring the fraud and the psychological damage to the deceived person feels deeply unjust.

i recently found out that in brazil if you live with a child for a few years and later discover you’re not the biological father the courts can still force you to pay child support.

even if the paternity was based on a lie the obligation stays in the name of the child’s best interest.

i find this absurd. is it like this in your country too?

i don’t think the right approach is to pretend the elephant in the room doesn’t exist. ignoring it doesn’t solve anything, especially when what happened was serious and affected a lot of people.

i’m not sure. i heard someone saying he was banned, and when i checked his profile he hadn’t posted in a few days, so i assumed it was true.

exactly. most of the people disagreeing with me are her friends, so they can’t really understand how serious what she did was. this is way more serious than what whzyglazer did, and he still got banned.

i don’t care and i’m not looking for apologies. i just think it would be bad if people started faking things this serious, and if there are no consequences for her, it will only encourage others to do the same. i think a 1–2 month ban would be reasonable.

if what’s being said about her faking it is true, and considering all the evidence available, the chances of it being real are very high. in that case, she deserves to be banned.

even if someone tries to downplay it by saying “there was no bad intention”, the impact is undeniable. people were deceived, emotionally affected, and pulled into a false narrative involving something extremely serious. letting this go without consequences sets a dangerous precedent, where anyone can fake a tragedy just to get attention.

it needs to be made clear that this kind of behavior is not tolerated. if there is no proportional punishment, the message sent is that lying about something this serious has no consequences.

for that reason, in my view, her ban is completely justified. i’ve seen people here get banned for far less.

for some reason there is this constant push to frame chronicle as “the greatest of all time”. always with the same lazy argument trophies. raw quantity no context no real analysis like trophies are an individual stat and not the result of being surrounded by insane teammates year after year.

chronicle is basically the perfect example of a narrative inflated player. he joins superteams plays the basics well doesnt throw and then has one or two good games. suddenly people act like he’s the center of the universe. he isnt never was and never needed to be because someone else was always carrying the weight.

if you remove chronicle from fnatic and replace him with any solid tier s flex the team would look almost the same. thats the part people pretend not to see. hes completely replaceable. a goat isnt replaceable. a goat changes the game. chronicle just fits into it.

people always bring up gambit as the final argument which is funny considering how selective that logic is. the same people who downplay tenz because he peaked in the “plumber era” use that exact same era to boost chronicle. either the era matters or it doesnt. you cant swap standards depending on who you’re defending.

and there is one detail that completely kills this narrative. chronicle was almost never the best player on his own team. on fnatic leo alfajer and derke were always above him. on gambit the face was nats. cultural impact basically none. protagonism minimal. regional mvp never.

chronicle isnt bad. not even close. hes very good. elite even.

but turning a solid functional low profile player into “one of the greatest of all time” is easily one of the biggest narrative inflations the vct has ever produced.

short version. chronicle is extremely overrated. carried by superteams. boosted by narrative. and at the end of the day he doesnt do anything another high level flex couldnt do.

quiet efficient replaceable.

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ok

Não faz nenhum sentido. Tem alguma explicação lógica?

Edit: Parece que Hyssopus1 estava certo...

If you take it in a general context, people are extremely transphobic. For example, a comment on YouTube talking bad about trans women will always receive a lot of likes. This happens on any social network.

However, from what I'm seeing on vlr, these transphobic comments are being downvoted, and that's a surprise.

Why would this happen? Side effect of moderation?

Não pode homem trans? Wtf

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I already answered that. Oxy was in the same situation as Jawgemo, and outperformed. It doesn't make sense to think that Jawgemo is better than Oxy.

I agree, statistics don't summarize a player (although they are an important factor), so I think Jawgemo can be better than Cryo, even with Cryo having an average rating of 1.10 for the year. However, watch the C9 Stage 1 games, and watch the EG stage 1 games. There is no comparison between them.

Furthermore, even though Jawgemo was a little more impactful, it wasn't much better than Oxy in stage 2 and Kick Off.

It's exactly the opposite. Jawgemo was slightly better than Oxy in Kick Off and stage 2. However, Oxy's stage 1 was MUCH better than Jawgemo.

Kick Off: Jawgemo 0.94 Rating, Oxy 0.93
Stage 1: Jawgemo 0.93 Rating, Oxy 1.24
Stage 2: Jawgemo 1.03 Rating, Oxy 0.97

That's a very bad argument. LOUD 2023, at the time one of the 4 best teams in the world, hired Qck as a duelist. I agree that he is better than half of the duelists, but he is not better than the duelists I mentioned.

So do you think the late 2024 Jawgemo is better than the late 2024 Oxy? I agree. However, I'm not talking about a specific period of the year, but the whole year. Oxy's 2024 is better than Jawgemo's.

No, he didn't have similar stats. Jawgemo had around 0.95 stats. Oxy had 1.05, and Cryo had 1.10. I didn't do any math, these are just rough statistics.

Why do you think Jawgemo's 2024 was better than Oxy's?

C9 qualified for the playoffs only because of Oxy's absurd performances. He was the biggest factor in C9's rankings.

Watch the C9 x Leviatan game. If it were Jawgemo instead of Oxy, C9 would lose that game.

The C9 team was just as bad, and Oxy managed to perform better.

I didn't say he was bad, I think he's a good duelist. However, his 2024 was worse than all those reported, that is a FACT. People are saying it's better than Keznit, that's complete nonsense.

C9 was just as bad as EG, and if you think Jawgemo is better than Keznit, Aspas, and Zekken, you have a brain problem. Cryo is debatable. Maybe Jawgemo is even better.

You think this is bait shows how overrated he is.

He is not top 3 duelists in the Americas. Even Oxy had a better 2024.
Aspas
Zekken
Keznit
Oxy
Cryo

All performed better than Jawgemo in 2024. Cryo is debatable, but the other players had an undeniably better 2024.

What are you saying that based on? Because reality contradicts this statement. Keznit has been one of the best duelists for 4 years, that is, he is a better player than Jawgemo. Furthermore, his 2024 was better than Jawgemo's, with much higher stats.

At first I thought he didn't include SA, but he mentioned Kingg.

Jawgemo > Keznit? Wtf