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Minimum match theory

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DFM & BBL remain as the only 2 inaugural partnership teams to play the minimum amount of matches across 2 years of the VCT.
Both teams have only played 23 matches, 11 matches in 2023 and 12 in 2024.

In comparison GEN.G in 2024 have already played 32 matches.

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ButterflyEffect23
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The schedule is too packed. if Riot adds 12 more matches, players would probably die of overexhaustion

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Siigma777
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they need to add more but spread it out better. After champs it's gonna be another like 6 month long off season

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Anguibok
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Thats why go to 16 teams was necessary, 4 games more for everyone, not a full split more, more game for bad teams, no weird format in kickoff, more ascended team to give more carrots, keep shortplayoff (4 team in winner, 4 team in looser), you can even add an LCQ that is play during the stage 2 playoffs (that count as a triple looser bracket) and we are good

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ButterflyEffect23
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nah just make LOCK/IN a permanent tournament with a lower bracket and Swiss stage

#13
Anguibok
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How to replace kickoff by locking would improve the number of minimal game ? In both KO and LI it's 2 games min (Assuming you make a swiss or a looser bracket in LI)

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ButterflyEffect23
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is it impossible to fit LOCK/IN type of tournament in the current schedule which has 6 month off-season, without removing Kick/Off?

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Anguibok
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The problem is that kickoff and lockin is the same goal : Opening event

4 international event, would be too mush, redundant ans too expansive, both format got the same goal : qualify team with the lowest amount of games possible to have the first final as mush as possible as the start of the season. Doing a lock in with a looser bracket may be too long and too expansive, thats why kickoff is an excellent compromise, it pays less team a ticket for an international event

To give you an idea you can make a swiss round with 64 teams and eliminating every team that have 2 looses, after 7 rounds, you would have 7 teams still qualified (One with no loose in semi-final, and 6 with 1 loose in quarter)
Another exemple of swiss round with 48 team, after 4 round and still qualify only team with 1 and 0 loose you would still have 15 teams

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ButterflyEffect23
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LOCK/IN being too expensive is a myth.

Every six months ESL holds ESL Pro League - a CS tournament, for 32 teams all across the world. With the lower bracket, proper group stage and A BIGGER PRIZEPOOL than LOCK/IN -
850k for EPL, 500k for LOCK/IN

a third party tournament operator can easily twice per year host a way better tournament with a much better level of production and a bigger prizepool, while having significantly less resources and money than Riot

so what's the excuse?

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x_knowitall39_x
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this is valorant

#25
ButterflyEffect23
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so?

Riot has infinitely more money and bigger resource base than ESL, is it harder to host a better tournament just because it's Valorant?

#26
x_knowitall39_x
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not true, do you even know who funds esl

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Anguibok
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Hmmm, in that case 48 teams might be doable, what format would you do exactly ? (With 64 teams it's pretty easy, with 24 it's also easy, but 48 may be a little bit too hard)

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It is the way the season is scheduled.
The median gap between games for BBL is 7 days.
If you do the average gap between games played in the same event, the gap is less than 6 days.
BBL have played 4 games with only a 2 day gap.

Most of the complaints are aimed at the density of scheduling.

#4
valkin
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players are dying of exhaustion because they don't get any breaks, sliggys format was amazing split 1 then masters then off season then continue

#6
ppmcpoopoo
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do you have the clip of where sliggy made his schedule?

#5
Mortadelo
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Less than a game a month should be criminal

#7
my-dad-ate-my-toes
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Imo schedule should be

Feb - early March Kickoff

Late March - early April Masters 1

Mid April - early June Split 1

Early July - early August Masters 2

Late August - late October Split 2

November Champions

#10
Verstepping33
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Overlaps with LOL schedule

#16
sp0rtsman
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who cars

#18
Verstepping33
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Riot, because they won't be able to capitalize on viewership and earn enough capital throughout the season.

#20
sp0rtsman
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well, then they need to play in winter

#21
Simp4S0m
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Who tf watches both

#15
cloudberry
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This is true. I don't get what the theory is, though

#22
capital_d_colon
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It was something that sideshow said on a video about the 2024 schedule, when calculating how many teams could potentially play the minimum amount of matches.

I dont know why i called this thread "minimum match theory" i think the term was just stuck in my head.

#19
laeDLaer
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Meanwhile cs teams play that much in a month

#28
TooCaution_Heartless
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who want to watch loser team

#31
cloudberry
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Me! Me! Me! I do!

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