ButterflyEffect23 [#2]The schedule is too packed. if Riot adds 12 more matches, players would probably die of overexhaustion
they need to add more but spread it out better. After champs it's gonna be another like 6 month long off season
valkin [#4]players are dying of exhaustion because they don't get any breaks, sliggys format was amazing split 1 then masters then off season then continue
do you have the clip of where sliggy made his schedule?
ButterflyEffect23 [#2]The schedule is too packed. if Riot adds 12 more matches, players would probably die of overexhaustion
Thats why go to 16 teams was necessary, 4 games more for everyone, not a full split more, more game for bad teams, no weird format in kickoff, more ascended team to give more carrots, keep shortplayoff (4 team in winner, 4 team in looser), you can even add an LCQ that is play during the stage 2 playoffs (that count as a triple looser bracket) and we are good
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#7]Imo schedule should be
Feb - early March Kickoff
Late March - early April Masters 1
Mid April - early June Split 1
Early July - early August Masters 2
Late August - late October Split 2
November Champions
Overlaps with LOL schedule
Anguibok [#9]Thats why go to 16 teams was necessary, 4 games more for everyone, not a full split more, more game for bad teams, no weird format in kickoff, more ascended team to give more carrots, keep shortplayoff (4 team in winner, 4 team in looser), you can even add an LCQ that is play during the stage 2 playoffs (that count as a triple looser bracket) and we are good
nah just make LOCK/IN a permanent tournament with a lower bracket and Swiss stage
ButterflyEffect23 [#2]The schedule is too packed. if Riot adds 12 more matches, players would probably die of overexhaustion
It is the way the season is scheduled.
The median gap between games for BBL is 7 days.
If you do the average gap between games played in the same event, the gap is less than 6 days.
BBL have played 4 games with only a 2 day gap.
Most of the complaints are aimed at the density of scheduling.
ButterflyEffect23 [#11]nah just make LOCK/IN a permanent tournament with a lower bracket and Swiss stage
How to replace kickoff by locking would improve the number of minimal game ? In both KO and LI it's 2 games min (Assuming you make a swiss or a looser bracket in LI)
Anguibok [#13]How to replace kickoff by locking would improve the number of minimal game ? In both KO and LI it's 2 games min (Assuming you make a swiss or a looser bracket in LI)
is it impossible to fit LOCK/IN type of tournament in the current schedule which has 6 month off-season, without removing Kick/Off?
ButterflyEffect23 [#14]is it impossible to fit LOCK/IN type of tournament in the current schedule which has 6 month off-season, without removing Kick/Off?
The problem is that kickoff and lockin is the same goal : Opening event
4 international event, would be too mush, redundant ans too expansive, both format got the same goal : qualify team with the lowest amount of games possible to have the first final as mush as possible as the start of the season. Doing a lock in with a looser bracket may be too long and too expansive, thats why kickoff is an excellent compromise, it pays less team a ticket for an international event
To give you an idea you can make a swiss round with 64 teams and eliminating every team that have 2 looses, after 7 rounds, you would have 7 teams still qualified (One with no loose in semi-final, and 6 with 1 loose in quarter)
Another exemple of swiss round with 48 team, after 4 round and still qualify only team with 1 and 0 loose you would still have 15 teams
sp0rtsman [#16]who cars
Riot, because they won't be able to capitalize on viewership and earn enough capital throughout the season.
Verstepping33 [#18]Riot, because they won't be able to capitalize on viewership and earn enough capital throughout the season.
well, then they need to play in winter
Verstepping33 [#18]Riot, because they won't be able to capitalize on viewership and earn enough capital throughout the season.
Who tf watches both
cloudberry [#15]This is true. I don't get what the theory is, though
It was something that sideshow said on a video about the 2024 schedule, when calculating how many teams could potentially play the minimum amount of matches.
I dont know why i called this thread "minimum match theory" i think the term was just stuck in my head.
Anguibok [#17]The problem is that kickoff and lockin is the same goal : Opening event
4 international event, would be too mush, redundant ans too expansive, both format got the same goal : qualify team with the lowest amount of games possible to have the first final as mush as possible as the start of the season. Doing a lock in with a looser bracket may be too long and too expansive, thats why kickoff is an excellent compromise, it pays less team a ticket for an international event
To give you an idea you can make a swiss round with 64 teams and eliminating every team that have 2 looses, after 7 rounds, you would have 7 teams still qualified (One with no loose in semi-final, and 6 with 1 loose in quarter)
Another exemple of swiss round with 48 team, after 4 round and still qualify only team with 1 and 0 loose you would still have 15 teams
LOCK/IN being too expensive is a myth.
Every six months ESL holds ESL Pro League - a CS tournament, for 32 teams all across the world. With the lower bracket, proper group stage and A BIGGER PRIZEPOOL than LOCK/IN -
850k for EPL, 500k for LOCK/IN
a third party tournament operator can easily twice per year host a way better tournament with a much better level of production and a bigger prizepool, while having significantly less resources and money than Riot
so what's the excuse?
ButterflyEffect23 [#23]LOCK/IN being too expensive is a myth.
Every six months ESL holds ESL Pro League - a CS tournament, for 32 teams all across the world. With the lower bracket, proper group stage and A BIGGER PRIZEPOOL than LOCK/IN -
850k for EPL, 500k for LOCK/INa third party tournament operator can easily twice per year host a way better tournament with a much better level of production and a bigger prizepool, while having significantly less resources and money than Riot
so what's the excuse?
this is valorant
x_knowitall39_x [#24]this is valorant
so?
Riot has infinitely more money and bigger resource base than ESL, is it harder to host a better tournament just because it's Valorant?
ButterflyEffect23 [#25]so?
Riot has infinitely more money and bigger resource base than ESL, is it harder to host a better tournament just because it's Valorant?
not true, do you even know who funds esl
x_knowitall39_x [#26]not true, do you even know who funds esl
are you high on drugs rn or what
why are you trying to tell me that Riot isn't richer than ESL
i know who funds ESL lmao
ButterflyEffect23 [#27]are you high on drugs rn or what
why are you trying to tell me that Riot isn't richer than ESL
i know who funds ESL lmao
you clearly dont if you think riot is richer
ButterflyEffect23 [#23]LOCK/IN being too expensive is a myth.
Every six months ESL holds ESL Pro League - a CS tournament, for 32 teams all across the world. With the lower bracket, proper group stage and A BIGGER PRIZEPOOL than LOCK/IN -
850k for EPL, 500k for LOCK/INa third party tournament operator can easily twice per year host a way better tournament with a much better level of production and a bigger prizepool, while having significantly less resources and money than Riot
so what's the excuse?
Hmmm, in that case 48 teams might be doable, what format would you do exactly ? (With 64 teams it's pretty easy, with 24 it's also easy, but 48 may be a little bit too hard)
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