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Shadrach

What can riot do about viper?

Remove fuel? And make like harbor?

Wall cooldown instead of fuel? 2 smoke orbs?

I think the fuel become so effective, we can do nothing to change it for it to become too broken or too useless

I think viper becoming a problem, new agent wont solve it by the way its advertise, it just enable player like tenz and monyet more i think rather than solve this viper issue

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cartixuzi

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force her off the sentinel position, she hasn't been an actual controller for how long now. something about her wall needs to be nerfed.

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Exactly, she serves too well as a pseudo sentinel that she is barely used as a controller in pro play anymore. Ranked is very different cuz everyone is simple and most people dont know how oppressive she can be.
She needs to be redefined into an actual controller cuz her pick-rate is on par with pre-nerf chamber and that shit is nuts.
One thought i had would've been to reduce the initial decay and the decay time while your in her smokes and slow it down significantly and also make her orb not be able to be picked up. Crazy to say but i still don't think that would be enough of a nerf.

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there needs to be a nerf and it has to be big is all im saying, you can't even buff other sentinels or controllers because on both sides everyone is already doing fine bc viper has the best of both worlds. Literally the only agent you can consider replacing her entirely is Astra but even then she can't anchor a site half as well as Viper can. Maybe the new agent can replace her in some way.

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is Viper really an issue

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81% pick rate in Americas kick off
64% pick rate in China kick off
72% pick rate in EMEA kick off
77% pick rate in Pacific kick off
75% pick rate in Madrid

yes

#7

AutismCanBeCured

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I wish my teammates were as willing to play viper, I don't even have that shit on breeze

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no viper on breeze is criminal

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no viper on breeze is wild

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realvizierr

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#8, its not overpowered and I dont think it needs a nerf

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retsaot

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yes but also like #8 said her kit is way too versatile she is a controller who can also be a bit of a sentinel, has lineups for post plant and can have presence from anywhere on the map.

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Viper isn't OP, it's just too versatile. You can play her on almost any map and get value as she can smoke off site, lurk, kind of be a sentinel, and also play lineuos. None of this is OP, it's just you can get all of this on just one agent.

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its like skye, she had every 3 different things built into one agent lmaoooooooooo ( Info Flashes, Flashes, Healing, Drone )

the only true nerf to viper will ultimately kill the agent atp.

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exactly...

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0fcuZ

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Remember the good old days when viper ult orb cost less and her pit can stay longer and way faster to recharge lmao

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Seoc

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Remember in 2021 when out of nowhere they buffed her to give instant -50 hp when barely touching the wall or the orb, that shi was wild

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0fcuZ

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I used to main her when I started playing valo too... Now I feel smart asf 😂

#13

MikeMac

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Maybe cut the wall length in half. And cant pick up the orb. Change her to a senti. (Just for names sake)

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CoCloudy

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Make it so that you have to be in range to active viper util
like how kj doesnt have global utilty its ranged
do the same for viper
to stop sentinel playstyle

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The problem is not the range of activation i think it's more like the range of the wall..

In 2 site map her wall can cover 60% of the map, especially choke point.. practically with his orb can cover the whole fucking map..

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The only thing that makes viper this good is how small the maps are. There should be more maps where the map itself is large but the sites are small unlike breeze where both are big.

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LouBag

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Nerf the damage her wall does by 50%

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ThunderBird

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just remove the decay from the wall and orb. also remove invulnerable from molly and make it like normal molly

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Emphorizer

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Nah even better just delete the character.

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mallis

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that what she was in 2021 and people said she was the worst agent in game.

everyone just ran through her wall and ran through molly and she can't even play line-up post plant because damage is just not enough.

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Don't touch my viper. You guys need to find something else to complain about. LETS FUCKING TALK ABOUT RAZE FOR A MINUTE. Nerf that nuisance already. No other duelist is on the same level as her, no matter how much of a high level they are played.

Edit: People complaining about agent pick rates as if Raze and Omen aren't played almost everywhere too.

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Shadrach

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Ah an iron i see ok...

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Wronghand

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They should suspect test a multitude of different options, dome of my ideas are (all would just be the solo nerf to her):

1) Not being to have Orb and Wall up at the same time
2) Making Snakebite's use 25 fuel when shot
3) Increasing the fuel usage rate while viper is moving (forces her to be a lot less proactive)