don't know what you mean

dgzin and Less on the same team? bro they are NOT lasting a month 😭😭

narrate has to leave kc because of saadhak? I don't know how the import works, is there a limit on how many players you import from other regions?

IMO they should do a buff to her flash.
I think they should give her the ability to recharge her flash but only the second charge of it. When you use your first flash, you won't get it to recharge until you use the second one. And only the second one would recharge.
This would keep her in check to not get constant information as easy as it was in 2023 but without crippling her on retakes or late-round scenarios as the current Skye is.
Me and my team play some Skye only comps and 9/10 late round scenarios or retakes, she has no util and has to just swing and get the contact so we can trade her. In those scenarios we literally use her as a Yoru clone lmao

Have you played against Less or aspas?

Is saadhak retired? For some reason I always thought wherever Saadhak went, Less was going to be with him but I don't really know

Aspas - Duelist
Less - Sentinel/Viper
Valyn/kiNgg - Controller IGL
Ethan - Flex
Leo - Initiator

and for some reason they all speak spanish

FNS
yay
Victor
crashies
Marved

was he their best player?

with that logic c0m would be the best player on the old eg roster, but clearly he wasn't

I don't know where I'd place 2023 but I remember being Loud fan but not really that much, and after seeing them crumble on Tokyo and being kinda mid the first matches of Champs, I thought the team was just done. You could see how poeple were spreading rumours about their relationship and everything, and everyone was thinking about how thew went from the second best team in the world, to losing matches they easily would win any other day. I remember having school at the time Loud vs Fnatic were playing, so I just didn't even watched the match thinking about how Loud would just get mopped by Fnatic. When I came back home and saw the results I literally got goosebumps, it may sound corny but the way Loud went from doubted to feared again, the way they got back into form just in time for the Playoffs and how they were playing insanely good those last matches just made me the biggest fanboy. I was rooting for them on every match, and the rematch against Fnatic on the lower bracket was fire af

The orb pickup wasn't the killer, it was the smoke duration. You can no longer put the orb to cross to rubble, and then put the wall up to fight A main. The wall just doesn't last that long. That's why teams who moved away from Viper are playing Cypher, he can cage the rubble cross and then fight A main with double initiators. If you play Viper you have to play Killjoy, and the orb on rubble it's still meta, it just isn't as effective since once you crossed you have like 7 or 6 seconds to fight with the wall, and now that setup it's just played as a pressure tool and not that effective to early A main fights

And Haven doesn't have that problem, the attacking and defending setups are insanely strong with Viper, you may lack initiation but you can still play it around with proactivity. The attacking wall it's still amazing at denying the defending Breach and Jett's Operator, and the defense utility it's super versatile, it just gives you insane value. There's a reason Haven has been one of the few maps they looked decen, as well as their Lotus

Less is, in fact, a good Viper, understanding timings is pretty key on knowing when to apply pressure with her setups. When they played Viper as primary controller it was tuyZ who played her, but when they played her as anchor or lurker it was Less who played her, and that's because he knows how to use her kit. When anchoring he knows when to play his life or when to give up. When to bait utility with her smokes or when to just take the smokes down and take a confident duel. When attacking he knows when to apply pressure with her setups, he knows how to retain the map control while applying pressure without overextending or dying, and when he overextends he does it confidently. Zekken pointed out that he always has a feeling that whenever he's not ready Less is gonna swing his corner, and SEN and Loud are probably scrim partners

Maybe you don't wanna call him the best Viper but Less is top 3 Vipers in the world, you're right he was a world champion playing KJ and Cypher, but in that same meta he played Viper and Chamber so that doesn't say anything about his agentpool or skills with certain agents (And I know he's an excellent Sentinel, I pointed it out in my first comment)

Viper is still a meta agent, maybe not in every map like before but on Icebox, Bind and Lotus she's still very very strong. And on Haven she's still very strong aswell, specially for Loud since thye thrive with double controller, specially Viper and Harbor

They have role issues, out of their 5 players, 4 of them were at some point Viper players... And, you have the literal best Viper in the world (Less) and out of nowhere he's not playing Viper in anymore? I don't know why they've done that change, maybe Less doesn't want to play Viper or maybe pANcada doesn't want to learn Harbor, so that forces tuyZ into play Harbor and pANcada's only option there would be Viper since he's not gonna play a Sentinel or Initiator, forcing Less into Killjoy/Cypher. Don't get me wrong, Less is an outstanding Sentinel, but out of all of his agents I think we can all agree his Viper is what stands out the most. He was a onetrick during Kickoff, Madrid and Stage 1, why all of the sudden would you put him on another role when it's clear he's super confident in that role. He singlehandledly won their game against G2 and carried them on a lot of series

yeah, and also the viper nerf isn't really that bad, you can still play with pressure setups and lurks on attack and play anchor on defense, the only thing different is that she has 2 mollys. I don't know why don't they put Less on full time Viper, on Haven it would be perfect aswell. It looks like they don't want pancada to learn Harbor, and that forces tuyz to go Harbor and Less on Sentinel since Pancada's only option would be Viper or Neon. I do think the swamp comp it's still the strongest on Haven, but if you don't have your players playing their best role on that comp it's stupid to run it since everyone won't be at peak. They should go to the default swamp comp on Haven and play it something like
Saadhak: Killjoy
Less: Viper
tuyZ: Jett
cauanzin: Skye
pANcada: Harbor
I know Less played Killjoy on this comp last year, but so he did on Lotus and he moved to Viper. Viper just fits him perfectly

IMO tuyZ should play duelist and pANcada should learn how to play Harbor so they can go back to their strong comps with Less on Viper and Saadhak on Killjoy

I know they just won and pancada dropped 27 but IMO not having Less playing Viper is dumb, I know he's a sentinel but my man is the best Viper in the world, why would he not play Viper as secondary controller when this role suits him perfectly, it's not like on Breeze where he would be the primary controller, he'd be the secondary controller here

i love how you talk about it as if your country wasn't the most braindead racist place in the entire world, before vlr you probably didn't even know south america wasn't just a big ass mexico. we are not racist, we just hate eachother and eachothers countries, at the end of the day we're all brown here and we don't make race a huge deal like you guys

because they start off the game with a "era a po weon" after they get ran down on their site, and then proceed to not talk for the entire game, or just say stupid shit like "me mata corriendo weon" after getting ferrari-peeked because they were on the most obvious on-angle possible. that's how the fuck I know

this shit happens so much to me that i've developed xenophobia against chileans, it's always the chileans who throw and don't comm/shit comm

Elden Ring

dev1ce would be the goat with his consistency and wouldn't fall off after 1 year like most best players do (aka every best player except aspas)

no way you put aspas best Raze and not best Jett. Aspas' Jett is insane, he uses every single piece of her to almost perfection, very good movement and positioning which makes him very agile and the way he uses her smokes and updraft to get away, holding the dash to the very last moment makes him the best, the uses every single drop of value out of her kit and even her passive. His Raze is good but there are players like Jawgemo, Victor and Jinggg who are better than him. Think about it this way, if you were to play Split and you were to run Jett and Raze, where'd you put aspas? Not putting him on Jett would be throwing imo

As I said, don't you think teams already know that? I know how good Chamber can be when he can tank every util you throw at him and teleport easily, but still isn't as versatile as Jett. Jett is way more mobile and reliable, she can smoke herself and isn't that easy to overwhelm. The reason the waterfall TP works on Lotus is because there's a big ass wall that is also thin enough to let you place your tp behind it and play in front, making it hard to get overwhelmed since the enemy has to go all the way around the wall, howhever not every map has a place like that.
But what does that all have to do with Viper nerfs, that's where what you say doesn't make sense. Chamber's capabilities are not going to increase with Viper nerfs, if anything he was the best at getting past the attacking Viper setup with his teleport, if Viper somehow doesn't get picked (which I doubt) teams will still pick KJ and Cypher, and go double initiator every map. Teams know how to util dump a Chamber and the Viper nerfs are not going to change that

I didn't contradict myself, "It's just too versatile, it can be played aggressively...or you can play it insanely passive..." it clearly states it can be played both ways, and not how you said it needed an aggresivve comp around it. You are right with how good it is to take early fights with Chamber, when you win those engagements you can set up your Chamber on a aggressive sightline where he can get early info of enemies rotating, but don't you think teams know this already? The reason Jett and Killjoy work better than Chamber is because Jett already fufills that role you talk about, and Killjoy can fill the gaps with her passive hold. Also, do you think Chamber, an agent who excells with the Operator and aggressive sightlines would do good in a meta where teams run either 2 controllers or 2 initiators? In one hand you always have Viper who has insanely good reclear value, you can put your wall up on attack and slice the map to clear it easier with your initiator, making it easy to find a Chamber who would have got past your set up. And in the other hand, you have two initiators with also insane reclear value where they can just throw a Kay/o knife, Skye dog, Gekko flash, Sova drone and Chamber would be forced to teleport away. Harbor excells with reactiveness, that's why he's good in aggressive retakes or takes, but that doesn't mean his passive playstyle isn't good and definetly doesn't need an aggresive team

Killjoy has passive information aswell, her alarmbot is literally invisible until you hit it, and her tourret just watches a lane and spots players in line of sight. I don't know where did you get your logic but it seems like you just said a bunch of things like it made sense. Chamber trip is not that different from Kj's tourret or Cypher wires, and Viper Harbor worked insanely good because it's just too versatile, it can be played agressively, for example using Harbor cascades to flood into the site while defending, or you can play it insanely passive where you slice the map in ways where you give the enemy control over areas that are beneficial for them, but you playing behind the wall makes it very uncomfortable for them to do anything. A very obvious example is how Loud cut off themselves on Icebox on B, while defending. They put the Harbor wall as if it was a Viper attacking wall, giving you the plant and control of the front site, but they are all waiting behind it to spam and retake while you enjoy the small space they just gave to you. They did the exact same on Haven, walling themselves off on C giving you the plant, and the same with the Viper orb on A, giving you the free entry from long. And probably other maps, but I didn't watch all their games

TLDR: Viper nerf won't do anything to Chamber, and Harbor doesn't need a "aggresive comp" to work

bruh Demon1 just filled Astra because they wanted to play that weird ass Chamber comp, and for some reason he wasn't playing Chamber. He wasn't good on Astra, just decent enough as where he playing Astra wasn't throwing. You could see in multiple times how when he's in situations where Astra's util could make his life way easier, he doesn't even go in Astral form and just wants to out-aim as if he didn't have those tools in the first place. I can't blame him, his confidence and mechanics are insane, he had a lot of kills and was for the most part outright shitting on people, but saying that he was a good Astra is like saying yay or Cryo were good Sage just because they had high kills. The amount of outcome bias this forum has is insane

they'll learn that just because a player is highly experienced and has been playing since years doesn't mean he will be a good igl. That argument just breaks apart when you think about the fact that there are igls with no lan experience or igls that are very young

chileno fracasado aprende a hablar primero antes de dirigirle la palabra a alguien, que tienen que ver los otros br con lo que dijo less, siendo que fue keznit el primero en empezar a romper las bolas y querer hacerse el gracioso en esa partida porque el otro no hacia entry. Sos re pajero la concha bien puta de tu hermana, la gente como vos me da cáncer, en ningun momento defendí a ninguno y dije que los dos son igual de inmaduros y venis a defender al keznit, si queres la proxima atajale la chota con el orto

Basically Keznit got frustrated because Less wasn't entrying on Jett and because he was baiting. I don't really know if he was baiting, but they have 3 duelists, if he doesn't entry the other two can do it. After that someone in the chat asked Keznit if he had beef with Less and he replied "Nah, I don't care about that virgin stupid kid, he literally met his gf online". He didn't specifically said "stupid kid", he said "pendejo culiao" which is different but it has the same meaning. After that, Less muted him for no reason and keznit started being annoying in the voice chat, mocking Less and trying to annoy him specifically, which Less didn't even heard because he had him muted in the first place, it was his girlfriend (Omen) who told him keznit was doing stupid shit.

TLDR: Both are childish as fuck and did some stupid shit, but I hate how people from my region talks about Keznit like he was a saint and never did anything wrong, when he's exactly as childish as Less and the fans who support any of them

hermano, el less es un inmaduro y un pendejo bobo por mutearlo y decirle la del "gana un torneo" pero el keznit es un asqueroso diciendole a less que es un virgen y burlandose de que conocio a la novia por internet XD como si el fuera un cogedor siendo que tiene cara de turrito drogon y delincuente. Ninguno de los dos se salva, pero los chilenos hablan del keznit como si fuera un santo, cuando en esa partida se puso a romper las bolas porque less no entraba al site teniendo 3 entrys xd

What are you on wtf, he's played kj on 5 maps where his team stomped, of course his stats are going to be busted af. I don't deny he's good but you literally said that because he had a good map, every time a player has a good map this forum gets filled with "omg leaf best kj" "omg ethan best kayo" "omg mwzera best jett" smh

yeah but that was more of a flex pick of him, their main duelist in 2022 was Tacolilla, and because he was on Chamber kingg picked Raze but not like a traditional duelist like aspas or Derke. But I get your point

what's more insane is the fact that he's the best player in latam (not including brazil) and yet people don't even talk about him because he's not a duelist player. People talk all the time about keznit and people say he's the best player out here, but don't even realize that kingg has been consistently top performer on the events he attends. Keznit is very good, but the value kingg brings is on another level, he's the igl, flexible as fuck and has insane firepower

-qck +pancada
tuyz --> duelist
pancada --> smokes
(honestly I just said the first thing that came to mind, it may be braindead)

How come no one mentioned Bloody Stream? The best opening of all time no doubt

It's pretty weird since they love to play odd comps that end being the meta only to leave them. Remember how they played the OpTic Bind comp with the Chamber at the Americas League, that comp becomes the 'standard' (kind of) and then they go with a triple controller comp with Omen. They started the Harbor Viper meta last year, played it on Pearl at the start and the middle of the season, only to swap it on Champs and after not doing well with the new one, going back to Viper Harbor. Also on Split, I know they didn't create the Jett/Raze/Viper/Skye/Astra but they popularized it to almost every team on the Americas, to then change it. They definetly like to innovate and they do well doing it, but I don't understand why they don't play their own creations even when they become the standard. Also, this is a dumb take since when they innovate and they success we always call Loud the best, but when they don't it looks crazy to play Phoenix Breach and Viper on Ascent

he said their plan was to stay together, and once franchise was announced they knew right on the spot that no team could buy them 5 (5 counting Chet and not Marved) yay's buyout was literally as expensive as all the other guys combined, and that's why they separated

I legit was having the time of my life abusing Viper on Haven since literally no one was playing her there on rankeds and five stacks, and they removed it :( I hope they delete Breeze from the game and get Haven back

2022 Optic core would mop the floor with the current NRG

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Remember in 2021 when out of nowhere they buffed her to give instant -50 hp when barely touching the wall or the orb, that shi was wild

yay's 4k against the guard on icebox and marved's ace on fracture to keep optic into the game, that series was peak it made me an optic fan fr

bro cypher on ascent has always been good