poor tex + im a bit mad at lev

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https://x.com/texerino/status/1706083162789453948?s=20

i mean he is getting flamed because he got signed for franchising but cant really blame him, whoever took the decision to switch to english and pick him even tho he isnt a sentinel or speaks spanish has to give us answers instead of him, lev ceo already said he was going to reply questions later but idk, he contradicted himself since he said he was going to look up on latam/br and was going to make a latam team (rrq moment if you ask me), and also when people asked him about onur´s release he said onur was looking to make a international roster and they disagreed with him but now they didnt pick up anyone from latam even tho there was F/A latam options on tier 2 and even tho onur isnt on the team anymore

https://www.vlr.gg/player/33566/ganter/?timespan=all
https://www.vlr.gg/player/7616/feniz/?timespan=all

he could´ve signed delz1k for controller and swap mazino to sentinel also, or vaiz for controller, or even bnj idk my point remains at the end of the day and this is bad not for lev or kru fans, but for latam fans who support the latam tier 2 scene and want it to grow tbh, not because of the roster because they will do good imo, but what if they dont? also we dont know how good kingg will be igling in english at all idk im not satisfied with this decision because i think they could´ve thought about it more.

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i mean tex 100% deserves franchise and maybe the ceo thought tex deserves it more than all latam players after watching t2 last year

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hey tex

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hello

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wrong

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hes not getting flamed?? i only see people crying because the team wont be a "latam team" when they literally have 4 latino players or people saying they will have communication problems for some reason..

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there is may reasons, lev speaks english and can comm on english but outside of the server there is going to be problems sometimes and thats where they need to communicate properly or shit can become toxic af, kingg will remain as the igl and even tho he is fluent in english he has never igled in english, look how it went for redgar on his first year even tho he is a better igl than kingg

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What crack are you smoking? Redgar hasn’t been a good igl since Gambit, and even then his attack side calling was notoriously suspect. He is a really nice dude tho, and I hope he picks it up again on giants.

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no one is crying, is just not worth to switch to English because ONE player, and this ONE player is not even a star player.

Spanish and Portuguese is really similar they would have 0 issues especially when LEV players played on BR server all their lives, they can easily understand it.
But forcing entire team to speak English because one player is just not worth at all, IGLing in English is completely different world.

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This team is going to go wrong, it doesn't make sense to change the language because of 1 player

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They were already changing to English for Aspas, Aspas doesn't speak Spanish

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Even so portunhol would be much better than English

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so switching languages for one player is ok when its aspas but switching languages for TWO players isnt ok?

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Spanish/Portuguese for English is much more difficult than "Portunhol", and Leviantan players speak Portuguese, Portuguese and Spanish are similar and Latam players mostly play on the Brazilian servers...

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English is much more difficult than "Portunhol

yeah and mazino and kingg also speak english. what r u on? idk bout nzr but mazino and kingg are both conversational with their english and have done interviews/videos entirely in english before. you are creating an issue where there is none lol.

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ok that's your opinion, for me it was the dumbest choice I've seen so far in Valorant, a team that has KING and ASPAS...

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i see br has rotted your brain. we are making 0 players learn a new language but u want them to make now make players learn a new language ok :) very brain much good.

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fuck english wtf, they need a good team, not this lol

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so if your issue is with the acutal roster then why disguise that disdain for the players under "duuuuuh new language bad" what an idiot.

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"I see br has rotted your brain". And people wonder why ppl say europeans are xenophobes

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welp when hes got a dogmatic attachment to one language which objectively less players on the team speak and wants to change to that language for no good reason it is natural to assume its out of nationalism rather than any actual practical reason. hence why i criticize his country.

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brother, spanish and portuguese are similar they would have 0 issues.
It's completely different to IGL in another language, its not worth to make 4 players speak english cuz one washed player.

Pretty sure aspas can understand spanish cuz he lived with saadhak, frod, etc. It's more about getting your ear used to some words.
nzr can english, mazino can english, but it doesn't mean shit. their native language would be always better for smooth calls.

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brother, spanish and portuguese are similar they would have 0 issues

tex is on the goddamn team my man u good?

different to IGL in another language

wait but i thought u said they should switch languages 🤔

Pretty sure aspas can understand spanish cuz he lived with saadhak, frod

speculation

nzr can english, mazino can english, but it doesn't mean shit. their native language would be always better for smooth calls.

tex is on the team my man.

you are creating the issue instead of having the team speak a language that ALL 5 PLAYERS ALREADY KNOW u wanna force a different language because "its better" thats just idiotic.

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You're kind of stupid, it's not possible hahaha

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damn u get shown why your wrong and resort to insults to try and save face. unsurprising tbh

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nozwer also speaks english

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lol what? You want 2 players to learn a new language instead of them using the language all 5 already know?

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Portuguese and Spanish are very similar and there are several Latam players who play on the BR server, communicating in "Portunhol" is much better than communicating in English, that's obvious lol

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Genuinely what are you talking about, what are the downsides to English? They are all fluent in English. They arent all fluent in Portuguese, like there is a lot more to being teammates than just comming in-game

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ok that's your opinion, for me it was the dumbest choice I've seen so far in Valorant, a team that has KING and ASPAS...
I'm absolutely sure that in the next transfer window Tex will be kicked and they will add a player from Latam/BR

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But switching to English had nothing to do with Tex, they were already switching to English with Aspas, anyway I agree that Tex is a bad pickup but more because he isnt a good player

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????? Most LEV players speak Portuguese which is very similar to Spanish, they would never speak English on this team lol
And if any of them don't know Portuguese well, just use Portuguese or speak in Spanish, even though they would be able to understand, communicating in English will be much more complicated

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idk why you are pretending to know more about the players personally than the org and players do, like if they chose to speak English surely its because they are all confident in their English and confident it will be fine, I mean they have all been living in LA for the past year so like im sure they are great at English

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Lmao yeah with 4 latam players and 1 brazillian they would speak english of course 😹

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It's completely different to IGL in English bro... even if you are fluent you need some few months to "get used" to it, its just not worth to make that much chaos just because one player... and this player is washed, not even a star.

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No offense but the T2 Latam sentinel pool is not good enough.
I understand wanting teams to help their respective regions but the talent in the agent role is not worthy of VCT.

Lev already helps the region with an academy team, which is more than what other VCT teams do.

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^ when you can't name a single latam player off the top of your head

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feniz maybe or theory not to the level of tex but still can develop them

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Feniz had a very underperforming year. 1.01 rating in an easier league.

9z often played non-kj comps for most of their maps.
Mizu commonly played chamber and deigara would play the cypher (except on fracture).

Theory is also a name that gets mentioned however he did not seem to be good enough mechanically especially at ascension.
fusions did not play many conventional comps at ascension either.

Sentinel is just the weakest role in LATAM at this point.
Role swapping a younger player would be the best idea. (this is what onur did)
Mta would've been nice but he's going to kru.

I seriously think there are a crop of talented LATAM players coming but they are too young.
(Rco, wety, Lev academy (especially neon))

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as someone who watches T2 latam i agree

talent is there but not developed at all. it's probably better to sign Tex and change to english (which they probably would have done anyways bc Aspas + coaching staff) rather than take a huge risk on a random Tier 2 player who may or may not be up to Tier 1 standards. Even then, it's obvious to me that this Lev roster was made to win some major titles so even if this bet on a Tier 2 player works it might still be harder to get to a championship winning level.

So yeah overall, I don't think language is as big of a deal as people make it out to be, and on top of that Tex is a cracked player so it's just a matter of time and most importantly chemistry between these guys.

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Does he leave tgrd line up? Or he leave bcs didnt picked up by g2?

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Bro ngl NA clears LATAM so hard. It makes sense why they would want more NA players because tier 2 LATAM is terrible

NA is straight up the better region

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platchat ahh opinion

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How is it a bad opinion

I watched LATAM at ascension and was surprised at how bad they were

NA is truly better

virtyy is on a top tier 2 LATAM team but is tier 3 in NA for example

Every tier 2 LATAM team would probably lose to teams like TSM, FaZe etc

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How the fuck does that justify bringing in Tex?? They could have signed Leaf or Moose or Aproto or literally anyone else that actually plays Senti and isnt mid af

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Not once did I bring up tex’s name

I was just making the argument that NA is better than LATAM

Also tex > moose, aproto

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why are you even commenting on this thread then

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Because the thread is not about tex SPECIFICALLY

It is about the idea of NA players moving to LATAM teams and LATAM teams speaking English

I am just explaining why it is beneficial for LATAM teams to pick up NA players

You clearly don’t understand what op’s post is about

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There's no way you're actually treating teams performance to players performance as the same thing... I mean, c'mon dude, what???

You can say whatever you want about LATAM's teams doing badly in ascencion, but you can't be seriously saying that just because those teams did bad their players are bad... Sports do not work like that. I mean, can you say Cristian Ronaldo is a bad football player cause he never won a world cup with Portugal? Hell no.

Would you say Daveeys, may he rest in peace, who came from E-Xolos Lazer, a team that not only never went to an intercontinental event, but also were STOMPED by KRÜ in the second half of 2022 (btw, that's the time KRÜ was in really bad shape), was in any way, shape o form a bad player? or a T3 in NA player? (also, just to throw it out there, KRÜ's sights werent on him at first, they wanted Feniz because he was a natural sentinel player, the role Daveeys ended up filling).

Well, just as Daveeys was an amazing player, theres plenty of other talent in LATAM. Why then they don't play well internationally?

Can't scrim franchised teams as often (never, in the case of LAS).
Lack of strategical depth can also be a reason.
Lack of discipline can also be another reason.

Whichever it is, it's certainly not the quality of the players. Look at Darker from Fusion, look at Rubkkoide or at Mizu from 9z and come back.

TL;DR: You're delulu, LATAM players ARE good, their teams may not be.

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massive w, owned that NA kid

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I remember darker and Rubkkoide getting owned by NA at Ascension

Just accept the fact that NA has better players

It would be more beneficial for LATAM to go for NA players and even the LEV ceo knows it

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You're actually a dunce.

cNed got owned all year long by EMEA's teams and he cannot, by any chance, be considered an inferior player to idk, Fitinh0.

Player performance is heavily affected by a lot of factors, one of the most significant ones being the influence the coaching staff has on them. Take Klaus's year for an example. Dude was straight ass cheeks all 2022 and a good part of 2023. Come LCQ and he was a fucking beast. With the right mindset and the correct use of the players capabilities, a lot of teams that you, in your very uga buga firepower/teamstrats are everything/there's no way for a player to improve/teams must win or disband way of thinking, can't see winning anything would perform really well, and, in the contrary, that's why there's a saying as old as CSGO: "Superteams do not work".

Again, take KRÜ's journey as an example: under Leazo they were doing really REALLY bad, even on scrims and even with Keznit on the roster, then Atom came and the team slowly but surely rose to be one of the best teams in Americas, clearing a very good NA team in C9. All of KRÜ's players elevated their gameplay in every area of the game and pulled a "miracle" run, which wasn't by any means miraculous, they, players and coaching staff, worked their fucking asses off to get their shit together, and they did.

I think the decision to go for tex has to do with 1. the system/style of play the new coach wants to implement, seeing in tex a player who fits well in it and 2. tex can deliver results from the get go, he regularly srimmed franchised teams and his strategic depth/fundamentals don't need as much polishing, which is important in LEV's current state of things because they made BIG investments and the backlash/drop in morale could be fatal, both of those factors heavily tip the scales against signing someone you would need to mold into a "good/fitting" player.

Again, will put a TL;DR cause you seem really dumb: Player performance is affected by a lot of things, coaching staff matters a lot and LEV's decision might not be just because he's better than LATAM players, but by other factors.

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Remember this: MTA, KRÜ's new LATAM player will become one of the rookies of the year.

And he hasn't even put a foot in an international event in LATAM alone.

Then you'll remember your comments.

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I understand your point, but I just can’t believe in tier 2 LATAM because they are so bad

Sure some tier 2 LATAM players may look good, but it is only because they were playing terrible competition.

It just makes more sense to get a proven NA tier 2 player that has played against top teams rather than a tier 2 LATAM player who only plays the weakest competition

And also I’ve seen a few of the players you mentioned play, and imo there are so many NA players that clear them

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Then it's just a matter of you not knowing how team sports work.

GL being able to make something grow out of your own merits in your life outside val, kid.

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I already am very successful (for my age)

I am attending a prestigious uni and the plan is to go to med school after.

My life is good rn and I have achieved a lot off of my own merit.

And also why do you have to attack my personal life just because of my opinions over a game? Mate I think you will have trouble finding merit based success outside of VAL because clearly VAL means so much to you.

Why are you so butthurt over a video game?

What have you achieved in your life?

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ctm weon lo destrozaste... dejalo morir en paz

estoy 100% de acuerdo contigo, la movida de tex hace sentido dentro del sistema que leviatan quiere crear... pero a la vez, en latam tenemos mucho talento que simplemente necesita de estructura y un poco de entrenamiento para llegar a un nivel. muy buenos tus ejemplos, 10/10 thread.

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me da paja escribir en ingles asi q directamente respondo en español
no hay persona en el mundo que no le parezca cuestionable la elección de un jugador de tex y si vale el cambio de idioma. Yo pienso que Tex claramente no fue el unico jugador que probaron en lev, y que si fue la elección final, es por que saben que el equipo va a funcionar, Fer no va a trolear este año, ya dejó su confianza en onur y funciono como el culo, no va a cometer el mismo error.
y lo del tier 2 de latam, yo pienso que los equipos tier 1 no tienen nada por hacer con los de tier 2, el problema empieza desde la raíz, no desde el fruto.

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no veo manera en que hayan probado a tex viviendo en NA y haciendo tryouts desde las oficinas de lev en argentina honestamente asi que por demostracion dudo que haya sido

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Si viejo, toman a toda la gente de Lev como estúpidos, de seguro probaron un montón de players y Tex, incluso estando en off role, fue el que más les gusto, es tan simple como eso, pero no viejo se dan las tremendas pajas mentales.

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Como chucha lo van a probar si los cabros están en chile wn, lo ficharon directamente nomas

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Yo creo que al final eligieron a tex por lo de la visa. Creo recordar que la fecha límite para fichar a alguien de latam era como el 17 de septiembre más o menos porque o si no la tramitación de la visa para jugar en Estados Unidos iba a tardar mucho más, Fer dijo que una visa de casi cualquier país de Latinoamérica tarda más o menos 3 meses.

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eu, esta info es muy importante

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ewwwww tex is straight ass cheeks

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por ahí lo pidió goked, que se yo. No me disgusta tex, el tema del idioma van a tener tiempo para trabajar de sobra .

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nose pq lloran tanto por el tema del idioma, momento platam

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Totalmente entendible que la gente esté enojada despues de que hayan dicho de que el proyecto iba a ser latino, y terminan agregando a tex y cambiando de idioma.

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Dude said bring delz1k like better bring bottsi

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bro wanted to defrost that pussy

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Mazino and tex off role, everyone but Tex off language, Assistant coach on a "contender" team as HC, NZR igling in english, this team is gonna blow up

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this is not sentinels lil bro kekw

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No, Sentinels is way better.

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nt we were not discusing about Lev with C0M... this shit is different, with nzr it was going to work.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1782/superdome-2023-colombia

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I mean, with NZR there was Lil bit more faith, but no way you are showing me a tournamente with literally 4 team that did not qualify to play ins

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This decision makes literally no fucking sense. They are changing the language of the team because of ONE player that is not even a big upgrade.

People saying they would already change the language cause of Aspas are so DUMB. Portuguese is similar to Spanish and there are a lot of manitos that play on BR server and speak “portunhol” (a mix of spanish and portuguese”.

There are literally a lot of BR/Latam teams that only have 1 player that speaks Spanish/Portuguese and language was never a problem, i.g Loud (Saadhak), Old FURIA (Nzr), Old KRU (Xand and Axeddy), Liquid Brazil (Bstrdd), KRU Blaze (Shyz) and a few more that don’t need to me mentioned.

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oh man how fucking good it feels that this is aging worse day after day

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All the hindsight Harry’s gonna be here now xD

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funniest shit is that I read some comments saying that the team won't get along too well due to the language

then you got aspas feeding everyone icecream and calling tex "texino my love" when he is in a good mood

everybody gets along extremely well and that makes me very happy

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not because of the roster because they will do good imo

???????????????

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but what if they dont? also we dont know how good kingg will be igling in english at all idk im not satisfied with this decision because i think they could´ve thought about it more.

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yeah winning superdome doesnt prove how good kingg´s igling is on enlgish, in any case he is better than expected but not on world champion level yet

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who said he has to be world champ level, he already proved himself that he can comm in English

and what you said it's a pretty retarded statement because changing from Spanish to English doesn't make your IGLing worse directly

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what do you mean it doesnt, redgar struggled on liquid because he swapped from russian to english, same case with adverso who started to igl on portuguese at 00nation and there could be more cases but im lazy to go team by team rn ngl. the same issue might happen on alot of apac team tbh i dont get why is it so hard to get that its normal to not trust entirely on a decision which the proper ceo of lev said was a risk.

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Sex with tex

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what is happening?

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Stop crying, tex 🐐

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i would have gone for pancc/bezn1 over tex, but even coach says kingg igl's better on english. English is the best language for fps style comunication. Also aspas speaks well english, so does mazino and kingg. Only one worried was for nzr. IMO tex is a great addition. On some of your takes, i think your right on the onur kick (but he deserved it tbh for his stubborness), and the ceo backfiring his own argument, but your take on the players you suggest are horrible. Mazino does no fit sentinel style, neither smokes but hes not bad at it, and delzik is still coming back. vaiZ is a great initiator/smokes, but not experienced enough, and has not been proven on international stage. Finally, having tex saves the paperwork on work visa, that is really hard to get (3 months) for a player from LAS that you dont know how he will react to NA lifestyle and competition on other country, without family.

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pancc is a pedo and would do HUGE damage to LEV reputation

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what about keznit in lev?

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Both keznit and furia players were in the wrong, it wasn't a black or white situation. Keznit is very fond of Mazino that's why he reacted like that.

Also Keznit is a good friend of khalil now if you want to put the excuse that he is racist.

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fps comunication hahaha tell that to the russians in CS, Loud LG/SK also won champions in their mother language. This lembo theory is so limited. Astralis (the goat team ) used to comm in Danish

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Are you dumb? stupid? or dumb?

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Listen, I’m sure lev has a vision with this roster. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn’t. All the team had done so far is win an off season event. Not saying I agree with switching to English, but given the whole team puts up with it I don’t see it as an issue. If one of the original core members didn’t want to be on an English roster, they would’ve left like Shyy did. Just let the season play out and stop creating melodrama.

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i didnt create shit, i said if it doesnt work out people (most likely latam fans to be more precise) will blame it on tex even tho the decision to go international wasnt his and he is just in the middle because he was a good option for the team after shyy decided to go to kru, btw shyy getting out of lev had nothing to do with tex, he joined as shyy´s replacement because of the coach´s decision and because of it being better for the ceo in terms of not spending money on a working visa which is more than 10k extra usd if they picked up another latam/brazil or europe player.