Unpopular opinions and hot takes preferred
I'll go out and say
Mazino(pre playoffs but that's not unpopular anymore IG)
Rb
Laz
I'm willing to elaborate if people are interested but that's my personal overrated list.
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Where do u rank him among sentinel players? I feel like the consensus is he's top 3-4 and I really don't see an argument any other way. I do think he skips by criticism for being not great on KJ too much but apart from that, and especially after playoffs, there's no way in my mind he's not top 4.
Don't be jealous, I legit almosy shitted my pants when it happened. Seems like nobody was knocking but it were voices in my head or something.
Saying nats is overrated when he performs super good is such a bad take, he is over preforming imo
cope, he's underperforming, nAts in good form drops 300 acs on viper every game.
Sinatraa would NOT be the "best na player if he didn't get banned" like his fanboys like to say 24/7
You're delusional. SEN was only good in the beginning, when most teams were still figuring out their rosters. SEN only hit its max potential after TenZ switched over. Then Envy completed their roster (+ Marved + yay) and took over
https://www.vlr.gg/7094/100-thieves-vs-sentinels-first-strike-north-america-sf
https://www.vlr.gg/4879/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-first-strike-north-america-nsg-closed-1-sf
can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall
so you think duelists are the best player overall and not just their role. "can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall"
crashies sova>>>>aspas sova by your logic.
is NA logic so bad that you misinterpret what someone has said to suit your argument or are you just the dumb one ?
nats
cned
cloud
they get too much credit imo
edit - adding stax to this list. he has fns aim now
Tacolilla. He was never good, not even in 2022. Look at his chamber stats at Copenhagen or champs. mediocre at best, i dont really even know where he got his reputation as a top chamber. he was severely outclassed by yay, cryo, ardiis, derke, Less, etc.
no one does anymore, but i was mostly referring to how he was rated coming into the 2023 season.
yeah not anymore, now he is known as shit rightfully. but he was still shit even in 2022.
his plays were flashy af on chamber tbh, i can see why he was goated last year
botster. he is not a good igl and his team carry him every single time people need to stop dickriding
I don't think he's terrible but other IGLs are better. Listen to his comms videos on YouTube. I feel like he doesn't have confidence in his calls which is a crucial part of being an IGL.
but having the correct calls matters more than being confident with your voice?
anyways thanks for at least offering an opinion on why he isnt a good IGL, its more than what 90% of people who flame him for can do. People just hate him because hes camp and has a very out there personality. IMO over the years hes taken players who shouldnt be near tier 1 to every single LAN and looked good regionally each time, now that he has a team with arms and legs they look like one of the best in the world
I personally think having confidence just as important as having the correct call. You could just replace an unconfident IGL with a vocal player. It is the IGLs job to ultimately come up with the decisions on what to do regardless of whether or not it ends up working. Obviously IGLs are allowed to ask for ideas but they should be the one making the final decision.
I agree that sounding confident is certainly important as you need your players to trust your call and go in, but this point is kinda redundant when your players already clearly have trust in you as the IGL (all the fnatic players have said how much they trust him and his calls). I agree that its important generally, but in boasters case it doesnt really matter.
People hate him bc he is the goat/ he bangs Yinsu daily.
im jelous of him tbf
brother yinsu is mid. maybe if his gf was g2 glance or kaquka then youd have an argument
glance is the most beautiful woman ive ever seen in my life. dont call her mid again or there will be reprucussions
i find girls from my hjomeland to be the most beautiful. i dont think british guy can say the same hahaha need a bottle o waaha
Russia does have some natural beauties.
Im well traveled so i admire a whole range of beautiful woman. Why just settle on a certain country ?
He’s also a clutch god he has by far the highest percentage of successful clutches across all 3 regions 45% I think and he’s been in 29 clutches he’s got the same amount as clutches or more successful than a lot of players who have been in double the amount of clutch situations as he has been in
ANGEL
90% of the rounds he dies first as an initiator/sentinel but still his team wins the round because of the caliber of his teammates.
Recently shao playing controllers probably because of angel's bad habit of dying first. ardis, shao, zypan, cned, suygetsu these guys always to win the round but in these situations it's always the IGL's big brain calling is mentioned.
bro i disagree hardly, their current international loses made people forgot how good they are individually tbh, even d4v4i and mindfreak are stepping up rn
I mean jingg,something,forsaken are always good but now even davai is back and mindfreak back to copenhagen form....this is the best prx has looked in a while...if they dont win this time, i feel like they never will
Dgzin slightly
Cauanzin slightly
Whole NRG except finesse slightly
Boaster
Whole FUT except mrfalin
Scream
Nivera
Suygetsu slightly
Whole heretics
Maybe twisten idk i wanna see more from him
Whole PRX
Why rb may I ask? I know he underperformed for a lot of last year but now he's on fire.
I will say that asuna is a bit overrated. He may have been the most consistent on 100T but they still didn't make playoffs so...
I say Rb because we do this every time with him. The Rb circle starts in open quals when DRX shits on teams and looks amazing, he looks good but the level of competition is bad. Then they get to LAN and his group stage is good as they get easily through bad teams. Once playoffs get around, however, he's statistically one of the worst players at every single playoff and frags at the level of an IGL. The problem is that he does that for 2 games, they get bounced, and people forget. Then group stages come around, he looks good for 10 games, and everyone calls him a top 3 flex ITW. It's just a boring cycle and I hate that he gets called top 3 ITW as a flex when he is consistently the worst playoff performer of all time.
but but he was different at champions last year! he performed well the whole time! he doesnt bottom frag anymore, its normally stax now!
I've personally been more impressed by NZR throughout the season but the argument is there. In general LEV's roster is a bit dysfunctional atm.
I disagree I personally think NZR has had the better Sova and Skye for a while but I think Mazino is better in a flex role where he was playing fade and kayo and viper. I think he definitely gets hurt by Kingg being such a good flex player but I still just don't rate him that high.
I think the main problem is the double controller meta, kingg is already playing viper almost every map so it would not change much Marino becoming the flex
The people in this thread saying nats are brain dead, bc there’s no shot they watched the playoffs of EMEA and are saying this.
One person who is overrated imo is maybe cned, feels like he had a drop off imo
Would you elaborate on Laz? He carried Japan before Chamber came out, then he carried during the Chamber meta. And now he took up IGL-ing when no one else on the team wanted to do it. His stats definitely tanked this season but thats more cause he started IGL-ing
I just think he got really overrated from the S1 run. He definitely didn't carry as Sugarz3ro was by far their best player, and though he was a good chamber the only people that played chamber back then were all better than him. Since then he's kind of had this icon status because of the Japanese popularity(I see it similar to early mixwell where he was just extremely popular but hasn't backed it up much) but hasn't actually been good since that stage. In s2 when they didn't qual he got chamber diffed by 2 different NTH players, and since 2023 started he's just been good not great. I personally just see him as an average player but because of his popularity and one tournament where he stole the spotlight from a more deserving teammate I feel like people still think of him as some top tier player.
It's important that you don't just look on stats alone. If you watch Laz in the chamber meta you wouldn't be saying this. He rarely missed a shot even PRX can't brute force and run down the site Laz is guarding and i kid u not PRX was a beast in that time they're pretty much running everyone down but they can't do it against Laz. But now he changed roles and became IGL, instead of solely focusing on being a sentinel main, lurk & frag. His midrounding is lacking but he can still run set plays at the start of rounds and also even being an IGL he can still frag, even top fragging sometimes.
Meteor - has been very underwhelming, especially due to the hype surrounding him pre-franchising / start of league play
Sacy - I get that hes a world champion but currently he is nowhere near being considered one of the best sova players which is what a lot of people are suggesting.
Jakee - Just feels like a cog in a well oiled system during league play, one of the most unremarkable players to be called the best smokes in NA. Top 5 would be a stretch as well
Tenz. The guy cannot stop whining - and I know he is considered a nice guy but he complains way too much.
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during the chamber meta - god forbid anyone tunes into his stream he is just 24/7 talking about how broken the agent is..
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now it is about how shit the double controller meta is - how everyone is just killing him through smokes and how phantom needs a nerf.. like bro the meta is same for everyone how is it that some teams/players are still able to perform through the metas?? He was playing CSGO and says "atleast in CS i know someone has killed me through skill" - just go play CS professionaly and we see what u win there.
yeah well he has been absent since 2021 and everyone around him gets the blame.. streaming is a big part of his career and by the looks of it thats going to be the way forward - so yeah he is overrated in his career and his copium takes make it worse..
I have gotten downvoted for saying he's not a top 5 flex ITW and have had multiple people put him in the top 3 convo he's disgustingly overrated.
Yeah I wouldn't go as far saying he's a top 5 flex but I could see an argument for him for top 10 flex ITW
cNed (fell off), Boaster (never been good as igl), Ange1 (free ult orb/fraud igl), Asuna (not a superstar), Tenz (keloqz of NA)
Asuna maybe. There's so many people who still rate him as one of the best (likely because many fans) and some still say how 100T would win everything if Asuna was on Raze etc.
Dgzin- dude is either owning the server or doing absolutely nothing, never an in between
nah, his team is just bad
He entries site alone and dies all his teammates still in spawn ffs
Rb - good player but i've seen people putting this guy as top 3 or top 5 flex itw
Derrek - one fluke LCQ tourney and he fell off the face of the earth. Don't know why he's still in the roster
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