Unpopular opinions and hot takes preferred
I'll go out and say
Mazino(pre playoffs but that's not unpopular anymore IG)
Rb
Laz
I'm willing to elaborate if people are interested but that's my personal overrated list.
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Where do u rank him among sentinel players? I feel like the consensus is he's top 3-4 and I really don't see an argument any other way. I do think he skips by criticism for being not great on KJ too much but apart from that, and especially after playoffs, there's no way in my mind he's not top 4.
thatpower [#8]nats
cned
cloud
they get too much credit imo
edit - adding stax to this list. he has fns aim now
Cned on navi yeah but him and zeek were carrying ascend in champions
gamr [#10]Tacolilla. He was never good, not even in 2022. Look at his chamber stats at Copenhagen or champs. mediocre at best, i dont really even know where he got his reputation as a top chamber. he was severely outclassed by yay, cryo, ardiis, derke, Less, etc.
Who tf overrates Taco
gamr [#10]Tacolilla. He was never good, not even in 2022. Look at his chamber stats at Copenhagen or champs. mediocre at best, i dont really even know where he got his reputation as a top chamber. he was severely outclassed by yay, cryo, ardiis, derke, Less, etc.
everyone thinks tacolilla is shit , he aint overrated anymore
yawnster [#9]Cned on navi yeah but him and zeek were carrying ascend in champions
yeah but that was a while ago. i don't think he's the best awper or anything anymore
Mortadelo [#11]Who tf overrates Taco
no one does anymore, but i was mostly referring to how he was rated coming into the 2023 season.
Delusional_SA_fan [#12]everyone thinks tacolilla is shit , he aint overrated anymore
yeah not anymore, now he is known as shit rightfully. but he was still shit even in 2022.
thatpower [#13]yeah but that was a while ago. i don't think he's the best awper or anything anymore
True, best opper now is probs aspas
ffwagashi [#16]Dephh - he's just a good IGL but common, ppl think he's a GOD
bro who tf is rating him highly💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
ANGEL
90% of the rounds he dies first as an initiator/sentinel but still his team wins the round because of the caliber of his teammates.
Recently shao playing controllers probably because of angel's bad habit of dying first. ardis, shao, zypan, cned, suygetsu these guys always to win the round but in these situations it's always the IGL's big brain calling is mentioned.
RealDeal [#23]botster. he is not a good igl and his team carry him every single time people need to stop dickriding
why isnt he a good igl?
GooberBoy [#7]Where do u rank him among sentinel players? I feel like the consensus is he's top 3-4 and I really don't see an argument any other way. I do think he skips by criticism for being not great on KJ too much but apart from that, and especially after playoffs, there's no way in my mind he's not top 4.
yes but hes often called "best sentinel in the world" by lulquit fans
uwukitten [#26]whole prx roster other than something
I'd argue d4v4i is one of the most underrated players ITW atm
eeeeeeeee [#29]Dgzin slightly
Cauanzin slightly
Whole NRG except finesse slightly
Boaster
Whole FUT except mrfalin
Scream
Nivera
Suygetsu slightly
Whole heretics
Maybe twisten idk i wanna see more from him
Whole PRX
ignoring the others, in what world is heretics overrated?
acels [#2]nats very overrated
Saying nats is overrated when he performs super good is such a bad take, he is over preforming imo
RealDeal [#23]botster. he is not a good igl and his team carry him every single time people need to stop dickriding
lmao! seems like a personal problem.
unknown_trash [#30]Why rb may I ask? I know he underperformed for a lot of last year but now he's on fire.
I will say that asuna is a bit overrated. He may have been the most consistent on 100T but they still didn't make playoffs so...
I say Rb because we do this every time with him. The Rb circle starts in open quals when DRX shits on teams and looks amazing, he looks good but the level of competition is bad. Then they get to LAN and his group stage is good as they get easily through bad teams. Once playoffs get around, however, he's statistically one of the worst players at every single playoff and frags at the level of an IGL. The problem is that he does that for 2 games, they get bounced, and people forget. Then group stages come around, he looks good for 10 games, and everyone calls him a top 3 flex ITW. It's just a boring cycle and I hate that he gets called top 3 ITW as a flex when he is consistently the worst playoff performer of all time.
Mortadelo [#32]Mazino is still Lev's second best player imo, just in the wrong role
I've personally been more impressed by NZR throughout the season but the argument is there. In general LEV's roster is a bit dysfunctional atm.
uwukitten [#33]ignoring the others, in what world is heretics overrated?
I know people think they are dogshit, but trust me, they are even worse than that.
GooberBoy [#39]I've personally been more impressed by NZR throughout the season but the argument is there. In general LEV's roster is a bit dysfunctional atm.
Mazino used to be a better initiator than Nzr is now tho
kapalrevolution [#24]ANGEL
90% of the rounds he dies first as an initiator/sentinel but still his team wins the round because of the caliber of his teammates.
Recently shao playing controllers probably because of angel's bad habit of dying first. ardis, shao, zypan, cned, suygetsu these guys always to win the round but in these situations it's always the IGL's big brain calling is mentioned.
ANGE1 is awesome
AstroGalaxy [#40]The people in this thread saying nats are brain dead, bc there’s no shot they watched the playoffs of EMEA and are saying this.
One person who is overrated imo is maybe cned, feels like he had a drop off imo
being good and overrated are not mutually exclusive
acels [#47]being good and overrated are not mutually exclusive
Did you watch emea games bc if u did ure not very smart
Mortadelo [#42]Mazino used to be a better initiator than Nzr is now tho
I disagree I personally think NZR has had the better Sova and Skye for a while but I think Mazino is better in a flex role where he was playing fade and kayo and viper. I think he definitely gets hurt by Kingg being such a good flex player but I still just don't rate him that high.
yawnster [#6]Sinatraa would NOT be the "best na player if he didn't get banned" like his fanboys like to say 24/7
agree but he was the best player when he did play IMO
yawnster [#6]Sinatraa would NOT be the "best na player if he didn't get banned" like his fanboys like to say 24/7
can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall
lez [#46]Would you elaborate on Laz? He carried Japan before Chamber came out, then he carried during the Chamber meta. And now he took up IGL-ing when no one else on the team wanted to do it. His stats definitely tanked this season but thats more cause he started IGL-ing
I just think he got really overrated from the S1 run. He definitely didn't carry as Sugarz3ro was by far their best player, and though he was a good chamber the only people that played chamber back then were all better than him. Since then he's kind of had this icon status because of the Japanese popularity(I see it similar to early mixwell where he was just extremely popular but hasn't backed it up much) but hasn't actually been good since that stage. In s2 when they didn't qual he got chamber diffed by 2 different NTH players, and since 2023 started he's just been good not great. I personally just see him as an average player but because of his popularity and one tournament where he stole the spotlight from a more deserving teammate I feel like people still think of him as some top tier player.
3cmtotal [#50]agree but he was the best player when he did play IMO
Best player in his region, maybe
kapalrevolution [#35]lmao! seems like a personal problem.
People hate him bc he is the goat/ he bangs Yinsu daily.
im jelous of him tbf
Meteor - has been very underwhelming, especially due to the hype surrounding him pre-franchising / start of league play
Sacy - I get that hes a world champion but currently he is nowhere near being considered one of the best sova players which is what a lot of people are suggesting.
Jakee - Just feels like a cog in a well oiled system during league play, one of the most unremarkable players to be called the best smokes in NA. Top 5 would be a stretch as well
nematoma [#51]can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall
wtf does this mean, who is the best player "overall" accding to you?
AstroGalaxy [#40]The people in this thread saying nats are brain dead, bc there’s no shot they watched the playoffs of EMEA and are saying this.
One person who is overrated imo is maybe cned, feels like he had a drop off imo
overrated af
Tenz. The guy cannot stop whining - and I know he is considered a nice guy but he complains way too much.
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during the chamber meta - god forbid anyone tunes into his stream he is just 24/7 talking about how broken the agent is..
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now it is about how shit the double controller meta is - how everyone is just killing him through smokes and how phantom needs a nerf.. like bro the meta is same for everyone how is it that some teams/players are still able to perform through the metas?? He was playing CSGO and says "atleast in CS i know someone has killed me through skill" - just go play CS professionaly and we see what u win there.
xD1LL4N [#53]Best player in his region, maybe
When he played, his region and team were the best in the world BY FAR
AstroGalaxy [#34]Saying nats is overrated when he performs super good is such a bad take, he is over preforming imo
cope, he's underperforming, nAts in good form drops 300 acs on viper every game.
Denggysaurus [#59]Who even overrates Rb?? Bro is just decent, not special, not ass
I have gotten downvoted for saying he's not a top 5 flex ITW and have had multiple people put him in the top 3 convo he's disgustingly overrated.
ortuh [#27]why isnt he a good igl?
I don't think he's terrible but other IGLs are better. Listen to his comms videos on YouTube. I feel like he doesn't have confidence in his calls which is a crucial part of being an IGL.
babysasuke [#60]When he played, his region and team were the best in the world BY FAR
it’s safe to say he would be towards the top 3 NA players
xD1LL4N [#54]People hate him bc he is the goat/ he bangs Yinsu daily.
im jelous of him tbf
nah what 💀
blazennn [#65]it’s safe to say he would be towards the top 3 NA players
Crashies is best na player of all time
RealDeal [#23]botster. he is not a good igl and his team carry him every single time people need to stop dickriding
Boaster is a good leader, not a good igl, If you know what I mean
gamr [#10]Tacolilla. He was never good, not even in 2022. Look at his chamber stats at Copenhagen or champs. mediocre at best, i dont really even know where he got his reputation as a top chamber. he was severely outclassed by yay, cryo, ardiis, derke, Less, etc.
He played really good on group stage of but choked hard on playoffs
GooberBoy [#49]I disagree I personally think NZR has had the better Sova and Skye for a while but I think Mazino is better in a flex role where he was playing fade and kayo and viper. I think he definitely gets hurt by Kingg being such a good flex player but I still just don't rate him that high.
I think the main problem is the double controller meta, kingg is already playing viper almost every map so it would not change much Marino becoming the flex
gamr [#72]Boaster is a good leader, not a good igl, If you know what I mean
yes this is what i mean. hes only good for team morale
xD1LL4N [#54]People hate him bc he is the goat/ he bangs Yinsu daily.
im jelous of him tbf
brother yinsu is mid. maybe if his gf was g2 glance or kaquka then youd have an argument
GooberBoy [#63]I have gotten downvoted for saying he's not a top 5 flex ITW and have had multiple people put him in the top 3 convo he's disgustingly overrated.
Yeah I wouldn't go as far saying he's a top 5 flex but I could see an argument for him for top 10 flex ITW
Epicgamer69 [#64]I don't think he's terrible but other IGLs are better. Listen to his comms videos on YouTube. I feel like he doesn't have confidence in his calls which is a crucial part of being an IGL.
but having the correct calls matters more than being confident with your voice?
anyways thanks for at least offering an opinion on why he isnt a good IGL, its more than what 90% of people who flame him for can do. People just hate him because hes camp and has a very out there personality. IMO over the years hes taken players who shouldnt be near tier 1 to every single LAN and looked good regionally each time, now that he has a team with arms and legs they look like one of the best in the world
RealDeal [#76]brother yinsu is mid. maybe if his gf was g2 glance or kaquka then youd have an argument
Kaquka yeah maybe but Glance is mid.
Hot asains are something else
since_beta [#56]wtf does this mean, who is the best player "overall" accding to you?
in the world i would say aspas derke
ortuh [#78]but having the correct calls matters more than being confident with your voice?
anyways thanks for at least offering an opinion on why he isnt a good IGL, its more than what 90% of people who flame him for can do. People just hate him because hes camp and has a very out there personality. IMO over the years hes taken players who shouldnt be near tier 1 to every single LAN and looked good regionally each time, now that he has a team with arms and legs they look like one of the best in the world
I personally think having confidence just as important as having the correct call. You could just replace an unconfident IGL with a vocal player. It is the IGLs job to ultimately come up with the decisions on what to do regardless of whether or not it ends up working. Obviously IGLs are allowed to ask for ideas but they should be the one making the final decision.
Epicgamer69 [#81]I personally think having confidence just as important as having the correct call. You could just replace an unconfident IGL with a vocal player. It is the IGLs job to ultimately come up with the decisions on what to do regardless of whether or not it ends up working. Obviously IGLs are allowed to ask for ideas but they should be the one making the final decision.
I agree that sounding confident is certainly important as you need your players to trust your call and go in, but this point is kinda redundant when your players already clearly have trust in you as the IGL (all the fnatic players have said how much they trust him and his calls). I agree that its important generally, but in boasters case it doesnt really matter.
xD1LL4N [#79]Kaquka yeah maybe but Glance is mid.
Hot asains are something else
its always the ugly males talking
xD1LL4N [#79]Kaquka yeah maybe but Glance is mid.
Hot asains are something else
glance is the most beautiful woman ive ever seen in my life. dont call her mid again or there will be reprucussions
friedtofu [#83]its always the ugly males talking
its always people that are talking.
now go suck your mother
xD1LL4N [#79]Kaquka yeah maybe but Glance is mid.
Hot asains are something else
asian fetishization defo isnt weird at all (its not preference as the term "asian" literally covers such a huge range)
RealDeal [#84]glance is the most beautiful woman ive ever seen in my life. dont call her mid again or there will be reprucussions
She is a pretty girl but whatever floats your boat
ortuh [#86]asian fetishization defo isnt weird at all (its not preference as the term "asian" literally covers such a huge range)
I wouldn't like to single it down to any certain country .
xD1LL4N [#89]She is a pretty girl but whatever floats your boat
i find girls from my hjomeland to be the most beautiful. i dont think british guy can say the same hahaha need a bottle o waaha
RealDeal [#91]i find girls from my hjomeland to be the most beautiful. i dont think british guy can say the same hahaha need a bottle o waaha
Russia does have some natural beauties.
Im well traveled so i admire a whole range of beautiful woman. Why just settle on a certain country ?
thatpower [#88]nice flair lil bro
nats is more overrated than tenz
Nats owns ur fav team bro and he is not even at 50% of his capabilities lol
GreyDaze [#93]Nats owns ur fav team bro and he is not even at 50% of his capabilities lol
lost to team secret😭😭😭😭
xD1LL4N [#85]its always people that are talking.
now go suck your mother
dont care + youre ugly as fuck + youre balding
RealDeal [#75]yes this is what i mean. hes only good for team morale
He’s also a clutch god he has by far the highest percentage of successful clutches across all 3 regions 45% I think and he’s been in 29 clutches he’s got the same amount as clutches or more successful than a lot of players who have been in double the amount of clutch situations as he has been in
gamr [#10]Tacolilla. He was never good, not even in 2022. Look at his chamber stats at Copenhagen or champs. mediocre at best, i dont really even know where he got his reputation as a top chamber. he was severely outclassed by yay, cryo, ardiis, derke, Less, etc.
his plays were flashy af on chamber tbh, i can see why he was goated last year
uwukitten [#26]whole prx roster other than something
bro i disagree hardly, their current international loses made people forgot how good they are individually tbh, even d4v4i and mindfreak are stepping up rn
babysasuke [#60]When he played, his region and team were the best in the world BY FAR
You're delusional. SEN was only good in the beginning, when most teams were still figuring out their rosters. SEN only hit its max potential after TenZ switched over. Then Envy completed their roster (+ Marved + yay) and took over
https://www.vlr.gg/7094/100-thieves-vs-sentinels-first-strike-north-america-sf
https://www.vlr.gg/4879/sentinels-vs-100-thieves-first-strike-north-america-nsg-closed-1-sf
Okoretro [#107]Ok 17th floor resident
Don't be jealous, I legit almosy shitted my pants when it happened. Seems like nobody was knocking but it were voices in my head or something.
Itsover [#109]Don't be jealous, I legit almosy shitted my pants when it happened. Seems like nobody was knocking but it were voices in my head or something.
Kolkata asylum is calling they want one of their inmates back
RealDeal [#76]brother yinsu is mid. maybe if his gf was g2 glance or kaquka then youd have an argument
g2 mary is the best lookin imo, idk g2 are all pretty good lookin
kskm [#58]Tenz. The guy cannot stop whining - and I know he is considered a nice guy but he complains way too much.
during the chamber meta - god forbid anyone tunes into his stream he is just 24/7 talking about how broken the agent is..
now it is about how shit the double controller meta is - how everyone is just killing him through smokes and how phantom needs a nerf.. like bro the meta is same for everyone how is it that some teams/players are still able to perform through the metas?? He was playing CSGO and says "atleast in CS i know someone has killed me through skill" - just go play CS professionaly and we see what u win there.
yeah but your talking about his streaming not his career
ckzera [#113]yeah but your talking about his streaming not his career
yeah well he has been absent since 2021 and everyone around him gets the blame.. streaming is a big part of his career and by the looks of it thats going to be the way forward - so yeah he is overrated in his career and his copium takes make it worse..
thatpower [#8]nats
cned
cloud
they get too much credit imo
edit - adding stax to this list. he has fns aim now
downfragged for speaking truth.
pixh [#115]downfragged for speaking truth.
europeans love to overrate their players for some reason
nematoma [#80]in the world i would say aspas derke
so you think duelists are the best player overall and not just their role. "can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall"
crashies sova>>>>aspas sova by your logic.
ckzera [#112]g2 mary is the best lookin imo, idk g2 are all pretty good lookin
SHE IS SIXTEEN YEARS OLD
GooberBoy [#38]I say Rb because we do this every time with him. The Rb circle starts in open quals when DRX shits on teams and looks amazing, he looks good but the level of competition is bad. Then they get to LAN and his group stage is good as they get easily through bad teams. Once playoffs get around, however, he's statistically one of the worst players at every single playoff and frags at the level of an IGL. The problem is that he does that for 2 games, they get bounced, and people forget. Then group stages come around, he looks good for 10 games, and everyone calls him a top 3 flex ITW. It's just a boring cycle and I hate that he gets called top 3 ITW as a flex when he is consistently the worst playoff performer of all time.
but but he was different at champions last year! he performed well the whole time! he doesnt bottom frag anymore, its normally stax now!
GooberBoy [#52]I just think he got really overrated from the S1 run. He definitely didn't carry as Sugarz3ro was by far their best player, and though he was a good chamber the only people that played chamber back then were all better than him. Since then he's kind of had this icon status because of the Japanese popularity(I see it similar to early mixwell where he was just extremely popular but hasn't backed it up much) but hasn't actually been good since that stage. In s2 when they didn't qual he got chamber diffed by 2 different NTH players, and since 2023 started he's just been good not great. I personally just see him as an average player but because of his popularity and one tournament where he stole the spotlight from a more deserving teammate I feel like people still think of him as some top tier player.
It's important that you don't just look on stats alone. If you watch Laz in the chamber meta you wouldn't be saying this. He rarely missed a shot even PRX can't brute force and run down the site Laz is guarding and i kid u not PRX was a beast in that time they're pretty much running everyone down but they can't do it against Laz. But now he changed roles and became IGL, instead of solely focusing on being a sentinel main, lurk & frag. His midrounding is lacking but he can still run set plays at the start of rounds and also even being an IGL he can still frag, even top fragging sometimes.
since_beta [#117]so you think duelists are the best player overall and not just their role. "can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall"
crashies sova>>>>aspas sova by your logic.
leo sova>
SigmaMale [#120]Derrek - one fluke LCQ tourney and he fell off the face of the earth. Don't know why he's still in the roster
what about the other 4 in the same roster
yaiima0 [#104]Dgzin- dude is either owning the server or doing absolutely nothing, never an in between
nah, his team is just bad
He entries site alone and dies all his teammates still in spawn ffs
Miting [#44]ANGE1 is awesome
idk I like ange1 just because he's funny, even the way he plays valorant is funny somehow
33AJ [#20]cned- he is very overated he should receive same treatment like yay and Tenz
i second this
koromast [#103]bro i disagree hardly, their current international loses made people forgot how good they are individually tbh, even d4v4i and mindfreak are stepping up rn
I mean jingg,something,forsaken are always good but now even davai is back and mindfreak back to copenhagen form....this is the best prx has looked in a while...if they dont win this time, i feel like they never will
since_beta [#117]so you think duelists are the best player overall and not just their role. "can be debated ig he could be best player in his role but surely not the best player overall"
crashies sova>>>>aspas sova by your logic.
is NA logic so bad that you misinterpret what someone has said to suit your argument or are you just the dumb one ?
nematoma [#130]is NA logic so bad that you misinterpret what someone has said to suit your argument or are you just the dumb one ?
i am fake flagging lol
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