No cap but T1 should disband and rebuild in Korea where their org is based in. They are a relatively large and respected org and they can attract back a lot of top Korean players playing in Japan with their money and reputation. There are so many Korean players playing in Japan who I think are individually more skilled than many of those playing in their home region, putting them in an all-Korean team with easier teamwork/coordination without language barriers could easily make new top teams.
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fracra [#2]just to meet drx in the finals, it's a great idea if kr has more slots for lans
well obviously the more teams there are, larger orgs, investment, etc. teams there will get better and the region will improve and thus warrant for more slots (instead of giving brazil basically 3 guaranteed spots in champions)
Vortexy [#3]well obviously the more teams there are, larger orgs, investment, etc. teams there will get better and the region will improve and thus warrant for more slots (instead of giving brazil basically 3 guaranteed spots in champions)
viewership is a big factor in determining the number of slots and valorant may just stay unpopular in the region regardless of how much good players there are. I get where you're coming from but I think t1 is trying to expand org brand to other regions so they would just stay paying tier 3 pros in NA 10x the salary of KR to compete in nerdstreetgamers
fracra [#4]viewership is a big factor in determining the number of slots and valorant may just stay unpopular in the region regardless of how much good players there are. I get where you're coming from but I think t1 is trying to expand org brand to other regions so they would just stay paying tier 3 pros in NA 10x the salary of KR to compete in nerdstreetgamers
I get what you're saying but isn't their like passion/reputation involved in this too? Also, if I were T1 management, idk if I would like paying off huge sums of money to uncompetitive teams trying to finance operations abroad. And it's not like T1 even get that many viewers as long as they keep losing to average teams in third party Tier 2-3 tourneys, they definitely get less viewers there than Korean VCT streams on the Kr and main Valorant channels combined. (also I don't know why people are downvoting you, you're speaking logically)
Vortexy [#5]I get what you're saying but isn't their like passion/reputation involved in this too? Also, if I were T1 management, idk if I would like paying off huge sums of money to uncompetitive teams trying to finance operations abroad. And it's not like T1 even get that many viewers as long as they keep losing to average teams in third party Tier 2-3 tourneys, they definitely get less viewers there than Korean VCT streams on the Kr and main Valorant channels combined. (also I don't know why people are downvoting you, you're speaking logically)
Passion isn’t going to pay your bills or get you new sponsors. Fact of the matter is valorant has very low viewership in korea si moving there is not worth it from a business perspective. Meanwhile they will stay in NA and burn money until franchising comes when they will most likely get a slot.
And yea people downvoting that guy are dumb as shit because he is 100% right.
Vortexy [#5]I get what you're saying but isn't their like passion/reputation involved in this too? Also, if I were T1 management, idk if I would like paying off huge sums of money to uncompetitive teams trying to finance operations abroad. And it's not like T1 even get that many viewers as long as they keep losing to average teams in third party Tier 2-3 tourneys, they definitely get less viewers there than Korean VCT streams on the Kr and main Valorant channels combined. (also I don't know why people are downvoting you, you're speaking logically)
you're missing my point, I think it's incredibly dumb for t1 to pay these pros huge salaries to just get destroyed in tier 3 tourneys. My point is that I see T1's view to expand in NA but the way they're executing it is awful. For your statement of "passion/reputation involved in this" I don't really understand it
Victorie [#6]Passion isn’t going to pay your bills or get you new sponsors. Fact of the matter is valorant has very low viewership in korea si moving there is not worth it from a business perspective. Meanwhile they will stay in NA and burn money until franchising comes when they will most likely get a slot.
And yea people downvoting that guy are dumb as shit because he is 100% right.
T1 is getting only a few hundred viewers at a time playing for these Tier 2-3 third party tournaments and losing in the first or second round. Playing in Korea VCT would easily net them 10-15k viewers easily if not more on the Korean and main English Valorant channels (plus whatever number watching from other Korean streaming platforms).
Vortexy [#8]T1 is getting only a few hundred viewers at a time playing for these Tier 2-3 third party tournaments and losing in the first or second round. Playing in Korea VCT would easily net them 10-15k viewers easily if not more on the Korean and main English Valorant channels (plus whatever number watching from other Korean streaming platforms).
Dude did you even try to read my whole reply? Their goal is a franchise alot. As long as they get that everything else wont matter.
fracra [#7]you're missing my point, I think it's incredibly dumb for t1 to pay these pros huge salaries to just get destroyed in tier 3 tourneys. My point is that I see T1's view to expand in NA but the way they're executing it is awful. For your statement of "passion/reputation involved in this" I don't really understand it
T1 is like the most respected org in Korea with their successes in League. They have a huge reputation in Korea and tens of millions of avid league fans around the world. By wasting loads of money sponsoring mediocre and uncompetitive teams garnering negligible viewership, it doesn't really live up to their standards and history of success in esports.
Victorie [#9]Dude did you even try to read my whole reply? Their goal is a franchise alot. As long as they get that everything else wont matter.
Did you even try to read mine regarding viewership? T1 isn't going to get any franchising or money in the bank with the team they have in NA currently.
Vortexy [#10]T1 is like the most respected org in Korea with their successes in League. They have a huge reputation in Korea and tens of millions of avid league fans around the world. By wasting loads of money sponsoring mediocre and uncompetitive teams garnering negligible viewership, it doesn't really live up to their standards and history of success in esports.
I think t1 has different management in NA as well as in SEA hosting a dota team. T1 will still be legendary and respected in league and korea, especially in the moba scene. The audiences of each esport is different and I'm sure t1 is trying to make their image in valorant good, it's just not working for them. Just like how I viewed rogue as a low tier org from their csgo roster, but they probably look good in league considering their results.
fracra [#13]I think t1 has different management in NA as well as in SEA hosting a dota team. T1 will still be legendary and respected in league and korea, especially in the moba scene. The audiences of each esport is different and I'm sure t1 is trying to make their image in valorant good, it's just not working for them. Just like how I viewed rogue as a low tier org from their csgo roster, but they probably look good in league considering their results.
Rogue has not even come close to being successful in league? Hasn't even won their regional European championship even ONCE and got absolutely crapped on by Damwon Kia at both Worlds getting eliminated in groups.
League history aside, T1 is still T1. The name and reputation of the org is still their, regardless of who's managing it and where the team is located.
Vortexy [#14]Rogue has not even come close to being successful in league? Hasn't even won their regional European championship even ONCE and got absolutely crapped on by Damwon Kia at both Worlds getting eliminated in groups.
League history aside, T1 is still T1. The name and reputation of the org is still their, regardless of who's managing it and where the team is located.
idk man I saw that they reached the finals in LEC and I thought they were pretty well respected in the region. For the second sentence, fair enough but most of the time people mention t1 they're just gonna be like "oh it's the insane league faker team" instead of "wow trash org playing in tier 3 NA valorant". Also it's not like sponsors are going to be less attracted to them due to their trash valorant team, really they only have room to grow and be respected in other esports. Most fans of esports teams are only supporting one of the teams in the org, like most navi fans.
fracra [#15]idk man I saw that they reached the finals in LEC and I thought they were pretty well respected in the region. For the second sentence, fair enough but most of the time people mention t1 they're just gonna be like "oh it's the insane league faker team" instead of "wow trash org playing in tier 3 NA valorant". Also it's not like sponsors are going to be less attracted to them due to their trash valorant team, really they only have room to grow and be respected in other esports. Most fans of esports teams are only supporting one of the teams in the org, like most navi fans.
LEC is dogwater compared to Chinese and Korean teams, winning it isn't even anything special, yet Rogue haven't even won it once. A random group of Korean solo queuers could win the league with a little bit of practice.
"it's not like sponsors are going to be less attracted to them due to their trash valorant team"
uhh, news flash, they will 100% be less attracted to sponsor a team/org who is pumping huge money into a team which loses in tier 2-3 tourneys with only triple digit viewership
"they only have room to grow"
so does literally every other team, and so far, almost every other team seems to be growing faster than them
"most fans... are only supporting one of the teams in the org"
Another reason why T1 roster sucks and they should disband to Korea. They have no big name in their roster. Steel? Almost a forgotten name by now. Sorry if you like him but it's the truth.
Vortexy [#16]LEC is dogwater compared to Chinese and Korean teams, winning it isn't even anything special, yet Rogue haven't even won it once. A random group of Korean solo queuers could win the league with a little bit of practice.
"it's not like sponsors are going to be less attracted to them due to their trash valorant team"
uhh, news flash, they will 100% be less attracted to sponsor a team/org who is pumping huge money into a team which loses in tier 2-3 tourneys with only triple digit viewership"they only have room to grow"
so does literally every other team, and so far, almost every other team seems to be growing faster than them"most fans... are only supporting one of the teams in the org"
Another reason why T1 roster sucks and they should disband to Korea. They have no big name in their roster. Steel? Almost a forgotten name by now. Sorry if you like him but it's the truth.
ik you're pretty bias in growing the val scene in KR but esport orgs are looking to spread their brand in the international scene. I never said I agree in fielding that team, but instead i see t1's objective. i'm not a fan of steel, if anything i sorta dislike him. The right way to put it is that most sponsors of t1 are mainly targetting their huge fanbase in league and any other esport team in a plus. I'm sure t1 see's the vision of the potential fanbase they could receive in na, such as the guard and trent's hype train from becoming an unknown tier2 team to representing NA in a lan. I am not against you nor am i against t1 relocating to korea, if anything i think it's good for the region, it's just that the org has other interests.
fracra [#17]ik you're pretty bias in growing the val scene in KR but esport orgs are looking to spread their brand in the international scene. I never said I agree in fielding that team, but instead i see t1's objective. i'm not a fan of steel, if anything i sorta dislike him. The right way to put it is that most sponsors of t1 are mainly targetting their huge fanbase in league and any other esport team in a plus. I'm sure t1 see's the vision of the potential fanbase they could receive in na, such as the guard and trent's hype train from becoming an unknown tier2 team to representing NA in a lan. I am not against you nor am i against t1 relocating to korea, if anything i think it's good for the region, it's just that the org has other interests.
obviously I'm bias :) I'm half Korean
The org's interests are winning and making money. To do that it would be logical to relocate to Korea. They'll be far more likely to succeed there and will have more viewers since they have almost none rn (both will contribute greatly to more sponsorship deals) and will be saving money in terms of paying players less and not having to function overseas. At this point, I think it's almost impossible that T1 build a roster that will go to an international LAN one day.
Every concern you're mentioning of would be fixed/greatly improved if they moved to Korea.
Vortexy [#18]obviously I'm bias :) I'm half Korean
The org's interests are winning and making money. To do that it would be logical to relocate to Korea. They'll be far more likely to succeed there and will have more viewers since they have almost none rn (both will contribute greatly to more sponsorship deals) and will be saving money in terms of paying players less and not having to function overseas. At this point, I think it's almost impossible that T1 build a roster that will go to an international LAN one day.
Every concern you're mentioning of would be fixed/greatly improved if they moved to Korea.
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say, winning and making money is obviously the end objective, the POTENTIAL viewers and fanbase in NA will be greater than what can be achieved in korea. I know you don't like to hear it but, drx a crazy team full of stars and a team that could potentially win masters, isn't getting a huge loyal following like an NA team, the guard or optic is. Sure in the short term fielding a team in korea would earn them a decent following from koreans, but the fanbase isn't as big as it is in league. I agree that this roster and the moves the management is making aren't going to reach tier 1 val, which is a problem of it's own. With an org as big as t1, i doubt they would wanna try to grow the kr valorant scene (whether you like it or not an org has it's own personal interests) until it gets 2+ slots, and riot being incompetent may not even give it due to the lower viewership compared to other regions.
fracra [#19]I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say, winning and making money is obviously the end objective, the POTENTIAL viewers and fanbase in NA will be greater than what can be achieved in korea. I know you don't like to hear it but, drx a crazy team full of stars and a team that could potentially win masters, isn't getting a huge loyal following like an NA team, the guard or optic is. Sure in the short term fielding a team in korea would earn them a decent following from koreans, but the fanbase isn't as big as it is in league. I agree that this roster and the moves the management is making aren't going to reach tier 1 val, which is a problem of it's own. With an org as big as t1, i doubt they would wanna try to grow the kr valorant scene (whether you like it or not an org has it's own personal interests) until it gets 2+ slots, and riot being incompetent may not even give it due to the lower viewership compared to other regions.
They will get 2 spots if Drx performs well and/or more orgs like T1 invest.
The flaw in your argument here is the word "potential".
AS OF NOW, moving to Korea will give them more viewers than the few hundred they have right now, more fans, more sponsorship because of the aforementioned reasons, and they are tenfold more likely to qualify to international events which is where the big views are and where sponsors want their name to be seen, not small third party tier 3 tourneys.
The problem in your reasoning is that you're basing everything off POTENTIALs that I in no way see happening. I hope I'm wrong but I seriously doubt T1 will build an NA team that can go to LAN in the near or even distant future.
Vortexy [#21]They will get 2 spots if Drx performs well and/or more orgs like T1 invest.
The flaw in your argument here is the word "potential".
AS OF NOW, moving to Korea will give them more viewers than the few hundred they have right now, more fans, more sponsorship because of the aforementioned reasons, and they are tenfold more likely to qualify to international events which is where the big views are and where sponsors want their name to be seen, not small third party tier 3 tourneys.The problem in your reasoning is that you're basing everything off POTENTIALs that I in no way see happening. I hope I'm wrong but I seriously doubt T1 will build an NA team that can go to LAN in the near or even distant future.
aren't you also basing things off potential as well? who knows if t1 management fucks up in valorant and picks up washed players or unproved players. If they're this incompetent in picking up good players in NA I don't see them picking up good players in KR as well. I think you're basing their fanbase and viewership in these third party tourneys, and the reason they don't get views is because they don't matter at all. I would assume the same for korean teams playing in their own tourneys, maybe even less. Hell it's also not even a guarantee drx will reach a good placing in playoffs, and even if t1 invests riot might not give a damn and not give kr 2 slots, (unless all regions like latam, br, jp gets 2 like in berlin) by now it's pretty obvious riot is very unfavorable in giving fair slots for lans thus it's not a guarantee kr will get 2 slots. What could be said instead is as of now t1 should be picking up good and proven pros, which would blow the fanbase in kr out of the water. Like I said i'm not against t1 moving to kr and i think it would be great, but t1's business decisions in staying in NA are clear.
Yugure [#26]I don't know why T1 left KR in Valorant. Their NA rosters smells like shit (with due respect)
ouch but true
fracra [#23]aren't you also basing things off potential as well? who knows if t1 management fucks up in valorant and picks up washed players or unproved players. If they're this incompetent in picking up good players in NA I don't see them picking up good players in KR as well. I think you're basing their fanbase and viewership in these third party tourneys, and the reason they don't get views is because they don't matter at all. I would assume the same for korean teams playing in their own tourneys, maybe even less. Hell it's also not even a guarantee drx will reach a good placing in playoffs, and even if t1 invests riot might not give a damn and not give kr 2 slots, (unless all regions like latam, br, jp gets 2 like in berlin) by now it's pretty obvious riot is very unfavorable in giving fair slots for lans thus it's not a guarantee kr will get 2 slots. What could be said instead is as of now t1 should be picking up good and proven pros, which would blow the fanbase in kr out of the water. Like I said i'm not against t1 moving to kr and i think it would be great, but t1's business decisions in staying in NA are clear.
fraca - "the reason they don't get views is because they don't matter at all"
also fraca - "viewership is a big factor" and "the POTENTIAL viewers and fanbase in NA will be greater than what can be achieved in korea"
k....? Ignoring the fact that you literally said viewership matters, you've been milking this 'more potential viewers and fans in NA than Korea' logic, but now you're saying the amount of views and therefore fanbase is irrelevant?
No I'm not going off potential. Literally every game of VCT Korea gets more views than T1 participating in tier three third party tourneys. The numbers alone practically prove that T1 would get more views if they participate in KR VCT. I can literally name a bunch of top tier players like Munchkin and many more who you could easily form a top tier team out of with their money and reputation which would AT LEAST be able to participate in VCT. Even if they don't win, you've already got more viewership than T1's current viewership rate.
T1 is not even going to be able to participate in tournaments where they can get more viewers. These small tier three third party tourneys are the best they can participate in. They couldn't get out of open qualifier 1, they lost even more miserably in open qualifier 2, they couldn't even qualify for the group stage and it wasn't even a close miss either. They had to perform well in the group stage they failed at making to THEN move on to the main event.
They are so far away from reaching the level where the views actually are.
Vortexy [#28]fraca - "the reason they don't get views is because they don't matter at all"
also fraca - "viewership is a big factor" and "the POTENTIAL viewers and fanbase in NA will be greater than what can be achieved in korea"k....? Ignoring the fact that you literally said viewership matters, you've been milking this 'more potential viewers and fans in NA than Korea' logic, but now you're saying the amount of views and therefore fanbase is irrelevant?
No I'm not going off potential. Literally every game of VCT Korea gets more views than T1 participating in tier three third party tourneys. The numbers alone practically prove that T1 would get more views if they participate in KR VCT. I can literally name a bunch of top tier players like Munchkin and many more who you could easily form a top tier team out of with their money and reputation which would AT LEAST be able to participate in VCT. Even if they don't win, you've already got more viewership than T1's current viewership rate.
T1 is not even going to be able to participate in tournaments where they can get more viewers. These small tier three third party tourneys are the best they can participate in. They couldn't get out of open qualifier 1, they lost even more miserably in open qualifier 2, they couldn't even qualify for the group stage and it wasn't even a close miss either. They had to perform well in the group stage they failed at making to THEN move on to the main event.
They are so far away from reaching the level where the views actually are.
yes these tourneys are for practice and they don't really matter but I think you forgot about the NA VCT, that racks in way more viewership, and yes those open qualifiers get quite a bit, and also that tourney was happening while zeta and fnatic was happening so that could explain the 3 digit viewership (i think?). That first paragraph is so out of context and just makes me look dumb, i said "viewership is a big factor in determining the slots" which has nothing to do with the team viewership itself, and the second one, it's just true that the potential viewership in NA is greater. That is also if t1 makes it far, but that current roster isn't my point, I was clear that i've criticized t1 management and their picking of players and paying them a lot. And before you hit me with another "iF thEy mOvE to kOrEa tHeY wiLl gEt gUaRaNTees aNd mOrE viEwERs", t1 is obviously eyeing big and short term results are probably not what they're trying to achieve, and theres nothing wrong with expanding to NA, just contracting unproven players may not be the move. In which, sure moving to korea would be way better if they are just gonna shit the bed in every na vct. Like i said before each org has their own motives such as expanding, similar to gen.g, which idk why you're not criticizing, but if 2 household gaming orgs of korea are doing it then surely they have a similar logical goal right? Theres obviously both benefits and drawbacks in staying in NA and moving to KR and t1 just decides to stay in NA. This might be my last post debating with you cuz this is getting quite repetitive, so please don't type something triggering to me that will make me respond, and also i can't wait for the prx drx matchup :D
fracra [#29]yes these tourneys are for practice and they don't really matter but I think you forgot about the NA VCT, that racks in way more viewership, and yes those open qualifiers get quite a bit, and also that tourney was happening while zeta and fnatic was happening so that could explain the 3 digit viewership (i think?). That first paragraph is so out of context and just makes me look dumb, i said "viewership is a big factor in determining the slots" which has nothing to do with the team viewership itself, and the second one, it's just true that the potential viewership in NA is greater. That is also if t1 makes it far, but that current roster isn't my point, I was clear that i've criticized t1 management and their picking of players and paying them a lot. And before you hit me with another "iF thEy mOvE to kOrEa tHeY wiLl gEt gUaRaNTees aNd mOrE viEwERs", t1 is obviously eyeing big and short term results are probably not what they're trying to achieve, and theres nothing wrong with expanding to NA, just contracting unproven players may not be the move. In which, sure moving to korea would be way better if they are just gonna shit the bed in every na vct. Like i said before each org has their own motives such as expanding, similar to gen.g, which idk why you're not criticizing, but if 2 household gaming orgs of korea are doing it then surely they have a similar logical goal right? Theres obviously both benefits and drawbacks in staying in NA and moving to KR and t1 just decides to stay in NA. This might be my last post debating with you cuz this is getting quite repetitive, so please don't type something triggering to me that will make me respond, and also i can't wait for the prx drx matchup :D
"you forgot about the NA VCT, that racks in way more viewership"
Holy crap you're banging your head against a wall. I'm repeatedly telling you that T1 does not even have the skill to qualify to VCT or major events where the real views are. They lose to tier 3 teams in 3rd party tournaments with barely any viewers. They are nowhere close to qualifying to an event with actual views.
"zeta and fnatic was happening so that could explain the 3 digit viewership"
No the viewership was practically the same. As you said yourself earlier I think, many viewers follow individual players which my explain the stagnant viewership rates there, even if there is another major even going on.
"contracting unproven players may not be the move"
There are many free agents and unsigned talents that have proven themselves at international events and abroad. I can name some if you want me to.
On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA. Besides maybe steel, none of them have success in Valorant.
gl to prx
fracra [#2]just to meet drx in the finals, it's a great idea if kr has more slots for lans
better than na where they can't even get past open qualifiers
ayanzx [#31]na t1 > tgrd imo
Bro LUL see this https://www.vlr.gg/78863/nearest-airport-vs-t1-nerd-street-summer-championship-2022-open-1-playoffs-ro16
fracra [#2]just to meet drx in the finals, it's a great idea if kr has more slots for lans
as if they could qualify to lan through NA challanger.
Vortexy [#30]"you forgot about the NA VCT, that racks in way more viewership"
Holy crap you're banging your head against a wall. I'm repeatedly telling you that T1 does not even have the skill to qualify to VCT or major events where the real views are. They lose to tier 3 teams in 3rd party tournaments with barely any viewers. They are nowhere close to qualifying to an event with actual views.
"zeta and fnatic was happening so that could explain the 3 digit viewership"
No the viewership was practically the same. As you said yourself earlier I think, many viewers follow individual players which my explain the stagnant viewership rates there, even if there is another major even going on.
"contracting unproven players may not be the move"
There are many free agents and unsigned talents that have proven themselves at international events and abroad. I can name some if you want me to.
On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA. Besides maybe steel, none of them have success in Valorant.gl to prx
hhhhh here we go again
Let me make my main point clear since you are just constantly ignoring it, T1 is expanding in NA to gain exposure internationally and attract international sponsors and fanbase. These potentials is what led to t1 and gen.g to do this, and i'm sure they're goal is to reach na vct, which i make my point VERY clear is that i don't agree in the players t1 are contracting, which results in t1 playing these 3rd party tourneys and failing to reach vct, with their money and mangement they could easily contract some pro that have proven themself to have potential.
"On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA." ???? yes this is literally the point i am trying to make. Yes, you can mention a lot of FAs and unsigned talent but if you see how incompetent t1 is in picking players, don't you question how they might just ignore those talents and pick up unproven players? Just basing it logically.
T1 is actively seeking fanbase and sponsorships from around the world, instead of only being limited in Korea. In a business point of view, this makes sense for sponsors in many different sectors to hop on t1 due to the diversity of where the teams of t1 hold influence in around the world.
"As you said yourself earlier I think, many viewers follow individual players which my explain the stagnant viewership rates there" I never said this? and if a literal vct masters event is happening during that time people would most definitely watch the masters event instead of the 3rd party event which doesn't mean shit, even regardless of your favorite player wardell or curry is playing in it.
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I have continually clowned t1 and it's management for their NA val team, absolutely questionable additions and even stranger activities, signing a jett player just for them to play smokes???? like what???
I have nothing against t1 going back to korea, i would instead support it as it grows the region and talent pool. It's t1 as a business choosing otherwise and building international fanbases, such as them having the SEA dota 2 team, or gen.g having an na cs team back in 2020.
Ultimate6989 [#37]Bro honestly kr is dominated by drx
They would never get an international chance imo
NA isn't really working
Not enough good fas in Emea, oce, kr, or JP
Maybe SEA, but t1 has never ventured there beforeThis org just isn't fucking meant for valorant bro
T1 has an SEA Dota team no?
Also Nuturn beat DRX to qual for Masters, and in Berlin KR had two slots, don't forget APAC LCQ too. I think there are more chances for T1 if they moved to KR than stayed in NA.
Ultimate6989 [#37]Bro honestly kr is dominated by drx
They would never get an international chance imo
NA isn't really working
Not enough good fas in Emea, oce, kr, or JP
Maybe SEA, but t1 has never ventured there beforeThis org just isn't fucking meant for valorant bro
T1 has a dota team in SEA and they are honestly one of the top dogs here, so they have ventured in SEA before.
archetype [#38]T1 has an SEA Dota team no?
Also Nuturn beat DRX to qual for Masters, and in Berlin KR had two slots, don't forget APAC LCQ too. I think there are more chances for T1 if they moved to KR than stayed in NA.
Oh shit forgot dota lmaoooo
Yes but I mean honestly it will be on2slaers in number 2
I guess APAC lcq maybe, but they will go against teams like damwon and cr
Def agree with more chances in kr compared to NA, but still would be bad
Ultimate6989 [#40]Oh shit forgot dota lmaoooo
Yes but I mean honestly it will be on2slaers in number 2
I guess APAC lcq maybe, but they will go against teams like damwon and cr
Def agree with more chances in kr compared to NA, but still would be bad
You never know, OnSla2ers got 2-0'd by WGS.
in APAC LCQ CR is not a problem. Damwon maybe, but in the end T1 had a tier 1 Korean team before that went toe to toe with VS. Some of those players were on HolyMolly that made a seriously nice lower bracket run in Stage 1 2022.
archetype [#42]You never know, OnSla2ers got 2-0'd by WGS.
in APAC LCQ CR is not a problem. Damwon maybe, but in the end T1 had a tier 1 Korean team before that went toe to toe with VS. Some of those players were on HolyMolly that made a seriously nice lower bracket run in Stage 1 2022.
Yes agreed there, I think u underestimate cr a little just imo
And onsla2ers are still quite a new team that is already #2 in kr, so they have as high a ceiling as drx or nearly that imo
I love t1 as an org, and their league team slaps, but rn they're having a tough time in VLR
Ultimate6989 [#43]Yes agreed there, I think u underestimate cr a little just imo
And onsla2ers are still quite a new team that is already #2 in kr, so they have as high a ceiling as drx or nearly that imo
I love t1 as an org, and their league team slaps, but rn they're having a tough time in VLR
well, after watching CR games they look like a ranked team tbh.
ONS is also the only other team that's backed by a big org in Korea right? Besides Damwon and DRX. So we'll see.
fracra [#36]hhhhh here we go again
Let me make my main point clear since you are just constantly ignoring it, T1 is expanding in NA to gain exposure internationally and attract international sponsors and fanbase. These potentials is what led to t1 and gen.g to do this, and i'm sure they're goal is to reach na vct, which i make my point VERY clear is that i don't agree in the players t1 are contracting, which results in t1 playing these 3rd party tourneys and failing to reach vct, with their money and mangement they could easily contract some pro that have proven themself to have potential."On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA." ???? yes this is literally the point i am trying to make. Yes, you can mention a lot of FAs and unsigned talent but if you see how incompetent t1 is in picking players, don't you question how they might just ignore those talents and pick up unproven players? Just basing it logically.
T1 is actively seeking fanbase and sponsorships from around the world, instead of only being limited in Korea. In a business point of view, this makes sense for sponsors in many different sectors to hop on t1 due to the diversity of where the teams of t1 hold influence in around the world.
"As you said yourself earlier I think, many viewers follow individual players which my explain the stagnant viewership rates there" I never said this? and if a literal vct masters event is happening during that time people would most definitely watch the masters event instead of the 3rd party event which doesn't mean shit, even regardless of your favorite player wardell or curry is playing in it.
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I have continually clowned t1 and it's management for their NA val team, absolutely questionable additions and even stranger activities, signing a jett player just for them to play smokes???? like what???I have nothing against t1 going back to korea, i would instead support it as it grows the region and talent pool. It's t1 as a business choosing otherwise and building international fanbases, such as them having the SEA dota 2 team, or gen.g having an na cs team back in 2020.
""On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA." ???? yes this is literally the point i am trying to make."
You literally said "contracting unproven players may not be the move"... my brain is throbbing or I'm super confused
"T1 is actively seeking fanbase and sponsorships from around the world, instead of only being limited in Korea."
T1's all-Korean league team has sponsors like Nike, BMW, Logitech, Secret Lab, Red Bull, and Twitch. Your logic in that quote above doesn't make any sense since they are getting sponsorship deals with some of the biggest names for their league team, despite it being all Korean. They have proven that they don't need to expand into NA for sponsorship or monetary opportunities.
"many viewers follow individual players... I never said this"
mb I think I confused you with someone else, but my main point that T1 is still getting no viewers in, with or without other events going on, is still there.
Ultimate6989 [#45]T1 very pog
Org rich, vlr team straight bad rn
only logical conclusion
🇺🇸 --> ✈️ --> 🇰🇷
:)
Vortexy [#49]""On the contrary, T1 are contracting unproven players in NA." ???? yes this is literally the point i am trying to make."
You literally said "contracting unproven players may not be the move"... my brain is throbbing or I'm super confused
"T1 is actively seeking fanbase and sponsorships from around the world, instead of only being limited in Korea."
T1's all-Korean league team has sponsors like Nike, BMW, Logitech, Secret Lab, Red Bull, and Twitch. Your logic in that quote above doesn't make any sense since they are getting sponsorship deals with some of the biggest names for their league team, despite it being all Korean. They have proven that they don't need to expand into NA for sponsorship or monetary opportunities.
"many viewers follow individual players... I never said this"
mb I think I confused you with someone else, but my main point that T1 is still getting no viewers in, with or without other events going on, is still there.
"You literally said "contracting unproven players may not be the move"... my brain is throbbing or I'm super confused" yes this is exactly the point im making, contracting unproven players in NA is definitely not the move.
"Your logic in that quote above doesn't make any sense since they are getting sponsorship deals with some of the biggest names for their league team, despite it being all Korean." T1 is arguably the most famous league team ever, it's a no brainer they would get sponsors from big names, unless they replicate it in valorant they wouldn't have a big international fanbase in the game. Expanding to NA for more sponsors is definitely the move to attract way bigger sponsors especially from NA, the pool of diversity in geographic area is there.
"but my main point that T1 is still getting no viewers in" this is most definitely true, and mostly due to the incompetence of t1 management and their handling of valorant in general.
Vortexy [#50]only logical conclusion
🇺🇸 --> ✈️ --> 🇰🇷
:)
Hmmm
At this point
Yeah why the 🦆 not it can't possibly get any worse!
kumi [#48]okay but then...
https://www.vlr.gg/60391/the-guard-vs-zero-marksmen-black-frag-valorant-major-fullerton-qf
dont matter
Lmao posting December matches for counter
I liked their first team with Skadoodle and brax etc. It was Ska, who involved me in video games really. I remember watching Boston Major Final as a replay right after it was played (maybe a few days later), on YouTube and I didn't know shit about who was playing and who won. I remember how I said to myself: "Skadoodle is really good, I will be cheering for Cloud9."(I didn't know who won, that game.) And then I remember this clutch from Stewie on Inderno aswell and how happy I was when they won. Right after I begged my parents to buy me CS:GO (haha don't tell me I'm a little kid, I'm 16 now and at that moment I was 11.) and after 3-4 months being a good child I got it. It was best thing in my life. Then two years later I transited to Valorant, when I saw Skadoodle transiting aswell. I loved T1, but with the time they fell off :(. But thanks to Ska and Cloud9, now I'm Imm2 and already played for some semi-pro teams. (with some very little earnings :) ) and enjoy games in general very much :).
sp0rtsman [#54]I liked their first team with Skadoodle and brax etc. It was Ska, who involved me in video games really. I remember watching Boston Major Final as a replay right after it was played (maybe a few days later), on YouTube and I didn't know shit about who was playing and who won. I remember how I said to myself: "Skadoodle is really good, I will be cheering for Cloud9."(I didn't know who won, that game.) And then I remember this clutch from Stewie on Inderno aswell and how happy I was when they won. Right after I begged my parents to buy me CS:GO (haha don't tell me I'm a little kid, I'm 16 now and at that moment I was 11.) and after 3-4 months being a good child I got it. It was best thing in my life. Then two years later I transited to Valorant, when I saw Skadoodle transiting aswell. I loved T1, but with the time they fell off :(. But thanks to Ska and Cloud9, now I'm Imm2 and already played for some semi-pro teams. (with some very little earnings :) ) and enjoy games in general very much :).
Hey good luck man!!!
Don't let the trolls get to u
ValoRISE [#53]Lmao posting December matches for counter
yeah and look where they are now bro
its not a counter, its a pattern
fracra [#51]"You literally said "contracting unproven players may not be the move"... my brain is throbbing or I'm super confused" yes this is exactly the point im making, contracting unproven players in NA is definitely not the move.
"Your logic in that quote above doesn't make any sense since they are getting sponsorship deals with some of the biggest names for their league team, despite it being all Korean." T1 is arguably the most famous league team ever, it's a no brainer they would get sponsors from big names, unless they replicate it in valorant they wouldn't have a big international fanbase in the game. Expanding to NA for more sponsors is definitely the move to attract way bigger sponsors especially from NA, the pool of diversity in geographic area is there.
"but my main point that T1 is still getting no viewers in" this is most definitely true, and mostly due to the incompetence of t1 management and their handling of valorant in general.
"contracting unproven players in NA is definitely not the move"
nice at least we agree on that. Therefore... they should move to Korea to sign already internationally proven players many of whom are free agents, or just nab them from the Japanese scene :)
There's not that many options left in NA to build a good team from, unless a horde of CSGO players decide to switch over.
T1 has some of the largest companies in the world pumping loads of money into them and yes you are correct, T1 is one of the biggest names in esports so it is easier for them to acquire sponsorship deals. But again, Valorant teams in Korea's relatively tiny scene have big sponsors too as well, DRX has sponsors like Red Bull, Razer, and Porshe. DWK has sponsors like Kia, Adidas, and Logitech.
(also I'm pretty sure once a company sponsors an org, all the teams in that org will honor the sponsorship, not just their league team or any other specific team.)
sp0rtsman [#54]I liked their first team with Skadoodle and brax etc. It was Ska, who involved me in video games really. I remember watching Boston Major Final as a replay right after it was played (maybe a few days later), on YouTube and I didn't know shit about who was playing and who won. I remember how I said to myself: "Skadoodle is really good, I will be cheering for Cloud9."(I didn't know who won, that game.) And then I remember this clutch from Stewie on Inderno aswell and how happy I was when they won. Right after I begged my parents to buy me CS:GO (haha don't tell me I'm a little kid, I'm 16 now and at that moment I was 11.) and after 3-4 months being a good child I got it. It was best thing in my life. Then two years later I transited to Valorant, when I saw Skadoodle transiting aswell. I loved T1, but with the time they fell off :(. But thanks to Ska and Cloud9, now I'm Imm2 and already played for some semi-pro teams. (with some very little earnings :) ) and enjoy games in general very much :).
Ya Ska,Dazed,Brax,Azk,Tim are the reason why i supported T1
Enamul_Huq1990 [#59]Have you guys seen T1 getting rolled by Vs,Tnl,C9 in Korea? They won't stand a chance in Kr
they arent gonna sign the same korean t1 roster lmao. there are so many FAs lol
jimjam789 [#60]they arent gonna sign the same korean t1 roster lmao. there are so many FAs lol
There are not many most unsigned went to Japan
Enamul_Huq1990 [#61]There are not many most unsigned went to Japan
besides dwg, drx, ons, all players in kr are technically FAs. and a lot of korean players in jp arent signed long term. for example suggest, who is likely to return to kr
jimjam789 [#62]besides dwg, drx, ons, all players in kr are technically FAs. and a lot of korean players in jp arent signed long term. for example suggest, who is likely to return to kr
allow, munchkin
if T1 actually wants to get back up they should honestly do a rebuild cuz something is clearly not working and i dont know if its dd8s fault or the management cuz u cant be losing to unsigned teams when u are on an org. Remeber the roster with skadoodle and autimatic atleast they qualified for the closed qualifiers
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