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Hades_Loves_Rb

o7 and allat but lets be fr Leo will NEVER be the goat

While I will say Leo was the best player during Lock//IN-he was never at any other point the best player itw, at Tokyo it was Alfajer, LA it was Demon1, Madrid it was Zekken, and Shanghai it was Texture/Meteor

Leo was a great player but his longevity is no where near the other top players, hell if yay retired after getting dropped from C9 his career would have been 10x better than Leos

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Allat 0/8

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tell me if Leo is the 'goat' how come he only had 2 intls wins with

the greatest coach in val history
top 2 duelist in val history
greatet flex in val history
greatest igl in val history
top 3 sentinel in val history

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alym_number_1_fan

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change your name to "hades_loves_yapping"

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CaxTonYT

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top 4 in lock in, top 2 in tokyo, top 2 in champs. Stats dont lie. Name any other initiator whos done that

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The engagement bait is unreal, but I'm all for a discussion. Leo's individual numbers are what make people call him the initiator GOAT. Sacy may have a Champs trophy as well as a Masters trophy, but Sacy has never been an outstanding fragger - his utility is great but that just makes him a good support role player. Leo had the capacity to put up numbers, provide support and survive to win his team the round. He is the exemplar way of playing to win.

Mini is an incredible coach, but no coach is invincible. They lost to LOUD in Champs and I would argue that LOUD were basically in FNATIC's head. They had all the pressure to go 3 for 3 in that year's trophies and solidify the dynasty. Chronicle was not playing particularly well against LOUD on both instances at Champs.

As for 2024, FNC lost to a rising KC and TH who defied expectations so there was no Madrid. FNC really didn't seem as dominant as 2023 and that was just part of the adaptation to a new coach. They eventually beat TH in Stage 1 and it was Leo who really pulled FNC over the line. That Breeze match was some of Leo's best since he just took over. He apparently took over the calls from Boaster and continued to fry. Leo at his peak performance was unreal and it's a shame that it couldn't be sustained due to health reasons.

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Sacy has never been an outstanding fragger

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1015/valorant-champions-2022
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/926/valorant-champions-tour-stage-1-masters-reykjav-k
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/353/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-reykjav-k

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greatest flex?sure buddy

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Potter
Trent
Ethan
Boostio/Valyn
Leaf

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I will physically assault you

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leo is the ini goat like sacy. one of the greatest of all time

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Sacy champs trophies: 1
Leo champs trophies: ?

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trophies alone doesn't define someone's legacy

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It’s interesting how it does for other players though

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i mean obv if u havent won anything not even regional then what can we say. u will be good but never amongst the greats

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No need to compare or be disrespectful bro,

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MindGoblin1

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sacy look like silver player compared to Leo gameplay ngl carried by prime Aspas and Less

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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Sacy was the 2nd best player on LOUD when he won champs L bait if you didnt watch Champs 22 just say that

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Divine_Thunder

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"prime" aspas was actually the worst performing on loud btw. even s00dh0k was above him 😭😭

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crazy how many people talk so big and have no clue what they are talking about. Sacy was the best player from LOUD that year-Less and Pancada turned up at champs but didnt perform in Reyk, Aspas performed at Reyk but didnt perform at Champs

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downvoted for the truth Sacy was louds 2nd best player at champs

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Sacy=great util, average aim
Leo=great util great aim

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Mickey Mouse champs 😭😭😭

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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bro says this with gmb flair holy 😭😭 was gonna respond but saw it was bait

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TheOnion

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What because gambit won in the medieval times? Same with Louds champ trophy

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CaxTonYT

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cook that fraud

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Just because 2 cis players were playing that year you got the champs trophy otherwise we know who would have dominated

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Theres a strong argument for him being the best at tokyo, the reason you cant actually call him goat is that covid stopped him.

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malims

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Valorant will never be same without him

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malims

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like god literally had to stop him because he was too powerful

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bro hasnt played in over a year let it go 😭✌️

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malims

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no.

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https://www.vlr.gg/545406/exposing-hades-loves-rb/#56

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we have had more valorant without him at the top level than with him and mfs be like “the game will never be the same again”
nah it’s actually insane how cult like Leo fans are

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The way leo played is literally the best we‘ve seen anyone play.

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Leo was not comming due to sickness, throwing up and still carried Fnatic to that stage win in 2024

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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ah yes emea in 2024 who was checks notes

The biggest chokers the game has ever seen
Fut who had ata and qraxs
KC with Magnum igling

yeah what a great region we have here! very competitive!

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He's talking abt the fucking grand finals dumbass when the heretics roster was on fire and were 2-0 and needed one map to win it

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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Now we valuing wins over TH in the grand final 😭😭 what has this site come too

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KClaw

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And this is the reason why ur shitty takes podcast shut down ,( the only sensible guy there was gamble)

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Fuck off with the yays point, yay abused a chamber and did eons of work definitely, leo did it on agents people didn't expect him to do it on, i am not calling that leo wqw the greatest valo player ever, nope but he was prolly like top 10 of all time in terms of everything.Also rb is washed

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https://www.vlr.gg/545406/exposing-hades-loves-rb/#56

dont engage with him

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Xool_233

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Oh, so he's just a ragebaiter

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Aayan

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I’ve seen enough

Let the world see the cypher cam clip

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part 2 of exposing hades coming up

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better than rb

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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if Rb had Mini/Chron/Alfa/Derke/Boaster igl around him hed have 8 intls trophies rn.

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Ragebaiters usually tend to be people with lower intelligence

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better than Rb

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i like yay but nah

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ofc, greatest of ALL TIME includes the future and Leo wont be playing again
but hes the greatest initiator till now

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no one thinks hes the actual GOAT but he will always be goated and remembered as a legend

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Just_some_loser

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i agree

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just goat, no doubts...

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Nobody asked for your validation when people will him remember in their memories also he won 2 trophies when the best player like mako couldn’t hasn’t even won a international trophy yet even leaf and also his ex teammate trexx is the only one left to follow the same path of being a excellent initiator

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Actually there can be one goat for an era
2021-chronicle, TenZ
2022-Aspas,yay
2023-Leo,derke
2024-texture,meteor
2025-?

Edit: I made a mistake 💀

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No nAts for 2021???? what are you smoking

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Made me laugh

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2/8

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Leo was good for longer than semen1, he also clears that practice sleeper all time

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they’ll cook you but you’re right

one great year and he was still not even the best on his team

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Bums will say this and call Asspiss or y0y their goat 💀

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idk but it’s definitely not leo lmaoooo

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0.50 rating player glazer lmaoooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Aspas must be rent free in your head for you to mention him without me even saying his name

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0.50 rating "goat" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Again, didn’t mention him

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sh1lll

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they hated jesus because he spoke the truth

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Look top rated player of every year, leo is top 5 for 2021-2024, but I see your point since the only year he consistently went to internationals was 2023.
He was 100% the best player on fnc tho, only at tokyo was alfajer slightly better.
Only fnc player who still had hands in early 2024 aswell, people seem to forget derke and chronicle went in an insane slump until shanghai

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shut the fuck up