In which region does Russia come, cuz I strongly believe that if a team is formed only with Russian players, then they are going to dominate that region like Gambit did.
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PP12123213123 [#4]Riot brought politics into their game. they won’t let Russian orgs compete in Tier 1 anymore
i dont think riot brought politics into the game, it was russia who decided to invade ukraine
goatman123 [#6]i dont think riot brought politics into the game, it was russia who decided to invade ukraine
Just ban the russian oligarchs, not the entire country and all the kids who have nothing to do with the war
PP12123213123 [#7]Just ban the russian oligarchs, not the entire country and all the kids who have nothing to do with the war
Russians are still allowed to play in T2, just the organizations aren't allowed to play. There's no Eastern European T2 league anyway so where would they play, MENA?
goatman123 [#6]i dont think riot brought politics into the game, it was russia who decided to invade ukraine
I'm not going to support or contradict your thought, just do some research on why the war even started and why it's even going on now.
It will broaden your view on this.
vlkwgn [#8]Russians are still allowed to play in T2, just the organizations aren't allowed to play. There's no Eastern European T2 league anyway so where would they play, MENA?
2 seconds to google that there is an Eastern European league lol.
Unincognito [#10]2 seconds to google that there is an Eastern European league lol.
which is combined with the northern league and most of the teams are from UK Poland and Northern Europe they don't have a dedicated league
messikeznitfakerphelps [#11]Remake VCT China and make it china russia
Yeah lets give them everything?
vlkwgn [#12]which is combined with the northern league and most of the teams are from UK Poland and Northern Europe they don't have a dedicated league
Okay? They can still play in it why do they need a separate one. There’s 9 Russians already, 1 team has 3 Russians in it.
Unincognito [#14]Okay? They can still play in it why do they need a separate one. There’s 9 Russians already, 1 team has 3 Russians in it.
they can play in any league. a dedicated t2-t3 scene would help develop the talent in the region more than grouping two different regions into one but idk
not worth it for russian orgs to join it anyway though if their banned from joining vct so i get what youre trying to say. there's more than russia in eastern europe though so i still think its worth it for the region
vlkwgn [#15]they can play in any league. a dedicated t2-t3 scene would help develop the talent in the region more than grouping two different regions into one but idk
not worth it for russian orgs to join it anyway though if their banned from joining vct so i get what youre trying to say. there's more than russia in eastern europe though so i still think its worth it for the region
I mean, yes there is more Eastern Europe. But they are already in the East league. And technically it is still kinda separate because the qualifiers are divided into North and East and then they combine.
I think the only reason it got combined is because of issues with the organisers.
vlkwgn [#15]they can play in any league. a dedicated t2-t3 scene would help develop the talent in the region more than grouping two different regions into one but idk
not worth it for russian orgs to join it anyway though if their banned from joining vct so i get what youre trying to say. there's more than russia in eastern europe though so i still think its worth it for the region
Point is you could still have a full Russian team, even in Tier 1. They just wouldn’t be under a Russian org which i don't think would be a big deal for the players.
Sneax1401 [#9]I'm not going to support or contradict your thought, just do some research on why the war even started and why it's even going on now.
It will broaden your view on this.
i know the NATO talking points ur gonna send here so dont
Unincognito [#17]Point is you could still have a full Russian team, even in Tier 1. They just wouldn’t be under a Russian org which i don't think would be a big deal for the players.
I understand now. I'm not really tapped in with Eastern Europpe t3 scene anyway so it's probably fine just more kids would probably want to play CS2
PP12123213123 [#7]Just ban the russian oligarchs, not the entire country and all the kids who have nothing to do with the war
the thing is, other countries dont want to give the revenue to the russian government via taxes/+
thats why players play under "not representing" or ukraine title/flag, those from russia. allowing the organisations, would indirectly help the government make/buy more weapons through taxes. its the right move to remove but its </3
goatman123 [#18]i know the NATO talking points ur gonna send here so dont
From your way of responding, I assume you're not a guy who is interested in geopolitics, so I suggest you refrain from giving political opinions, as I never asked for one.
Sneax1401 [#9]I'm not going to support or contradict your thought, just do some research on why the war even started and why it's even going on now.
It will broaden your view on this.
None of the “Why” is valid lol
Unincognito [#10]2 seconds to google that there is an Eastern European league lol.
Russian are counted as important in EUE league :X
You have Russian team only because they are some loopholes in the import rule, they did it in MENA, they even did it in Spain league with KPI, and they do it in EUE, but that limit a lot the way to compose rosters
Source : Page 34 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t5iYDByaF6shCOA16ACnrdjo9SVYsLVJ/view
Unincognito [#22]None of the “Why” is valid lol
Was Ukraine in peace before Russia invade Ukraine ?
Anguibok [#23]Russian are counted as important in EUE league :X
You have Russian team only because they are some loopholes in the import rule, they did it in MENA, they even did it in Spain league with KPI, and they do it in EUE, but that limit a lot the way to compose rosters
Source : Page 34 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1t5iYDByaF6shCOA16ACnrdjo9SVYsLVJ/view
Where does it say they are counted as import? It literally says the “EMEA Competitive Region” includes Russia
Unincognito [#25]Where does it say they are counted as import? It literally says the “EMEA Competitive Region” includes Russia
"Challengers league territory"
Challengers East : Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
Cyprus, Czechia, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania,
Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine
No Russia
Anguibok [#28]"Challengers league territory"
Challengers East : Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia,
Cyprus, Czechia, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania,
Montenegro, North Macedonia, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia,
Georgia, Moldova, UkraineNo Russia
Because they can play in any region. The fact they are mentioned EMEA competitive Region disputes this. And no mention of them being counted as import.
Unincognito [#14]Okay? They can still play in it why do they need a separate one. There’s 9 Russians already, 1 team has 3 Russians in it.
they are considered as imports in that league and u most likely wont be able to build a full Russian roster unless u abuse ltr rules just like kpi did
Unincognito [#29]Because they can play in any region. The fact they are mentioned EMEA competitive Region disputes this. And no mention of them being counted as import.
If your country isnt on the list then you're considered an import bro... They're mentioned in emea competetive region but it applies only to tier 1
In tier 2 Russians dont have any league they could play in without being considered an import which makes it difficult to build full cis rosters
Kirya [#32]If your country isnt on the list then you're considered an import bro... They're mentioned in emea competetive region but it applies only to tier 1
In tier 2 Russians dont have any league they could play in without being considered an import which makes it difficult to build full cis rosters
Okay where does it say it only applies to tier 1. And in this case how is there teams with 3 “imports” on a team?
Unincognito [#33]Okay where does it say it only applies to tier 1. And in this case how is there teams with 3 “imports” on a team?
each tier 2 league has list of countries that can play in
players from other countries are considered as imports
Russia isnt listed in any tier 2 league
tier 1 and tier 2 leagues have different rulebooks
You can have 3 imports if some of Russians players are LTR's
Kirya [#34]each tier 2 league has list of countries that can play in
players from other countries are considered as imports
Russia isnt listed in any tier 2 league
tier 1 and tier 2 leagues have different rulebooksYou can have 3 imports if some of Russians players are LTR's
This must be the case with MIR then. Kinda CIS team but no :)
messikeznitfakerphelps [#11]Remake VCT China and make it china russia
call that the sino-soviet split
Unincognito [#36]This must be the case with MIR then. Kinda CIS team but no :)
they probably have 2 imports and 1 of the Russian players is LTR
Kirya [#34]each tier 2 league has list of countries that can play in
players from other countries are considered as imports
Russia isnt listed in any tier 2 league
tier 1 and tier 2 leagues have different rulebooksYou can have 3 imports if some of Russians players are LTR's
But my original point still stands, you can play in East and I don’t really see the reason to create a CIS region. Just add Russia to East and jobs a good’un.
number_1_wackie_fan [#38]we need a CIS league with Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan (and all the other stan's)-States from the Caucasus-Ukraine-Moldova and possibly Mongolia.
I agree, actually lots of people from that region have been complaining how Riot doesn't put any good server within that Central Asia region that is basically killing the scene like there are people that are willing to play but the ping is so bad. I assume same thing with Mongolia and people in Russia so having a server there and then some kind of challenger league or at least Premier league could be very beneficial
Kirya [#39]they probably have 2 imports and 1 of the Russian players is LTR
Pretty sure this is the case with SNS as well. Vitie and D3ffo LTR
Unincognito [#40]But my original point still stands, you can play in East and I don’t really see the reason to create a CIS region. Just add Russia to East and jobs a good’un.
Adding Russia to the east could work idk why they havent done it
Kirya [#43]Adding Russia to the east could work idk why they havent done it
Ye, and if they keep North\East it means us Brits get to play against ya 😈
vlkwgn [#8]Russians are still allowed to play in T2, just the organizations aren't allowed to play. There's no Eastern European T2 league anyway so where would they play, MENA?
Russian organizations are allowed to enter VALORANT it is just certain sponsors are prohibited like Lukoil
Russian players are allowed to play tier 2 they just aren't considered a resident in any region atm as Challengers CIS is considered as paused not cancelled completely
Unincognito [#29]Because they can play in any region. The fact they are mentioned EMEA competitive Region disputes this. And no mention of them being counted as import.
To clarify:
A Russian player can play in any region in EMEA while counting as an EMEA player (this is what is defined by the "EMEA Competitive Region"), but they will be counted as an "import" (non LTR) in said region. This is because they arent in any leagues territory ("Challengers League Territories").
Basically theres 2 separate systems.
Imports from another VCT region, in the traditional sense (not in "EMEA Competitive Region").
And players who arent LTR ("Locally trained Representative"). You need 3 LTR players.
LTR players need to be residents (so from the "Challenger League Territory") or need to have been on a roster of the respective region for the majority of the previous season.
Trivially easy to count as LTR, but it is an extra barrier for young and unknown players from Russia.
Cant comment on if this ends up making a difference though.
Unincognito [#29]Because they can play in any region. The fact they are mentioned EMEA competitive Region disputes this. And no mention of them being counted as import.
No, thats not how that work, you can't go with 5 full TR or RU player in France, you need 3 french LTR.
What would the the point of that list if they are no impact ?
BoDork [#45]Russian organizations are allowed to enter VALORANT it is just certain sponsors are prohibited like Lukoil
Russian players are allowed to play tier 2 they just aren't considered a resident in any region atm as Challengers CIS is considered as paused not cancelled completely
Is there any restriction on where the Russian org (without said sponsors) can sign a challengers team? So could they sign SNS for example?
Unincognito [#48]Is there any restriction on where the Russian org (without said sponsors) can sign a challengers team? So could they sign SNS for example?
Orgs have never been geographically locked to only being allowed to sign a roster in X region
Idk where that rumor came from but orgs are free to sign a roster in whatever region they want (pending Organizer and Riot approval ofcourse)
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