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(Ignoring the fact that every single region has a different format in EMEA this year)
Because they not other regions?
They (and NE) have a much larger team count since they house multiple regions - as such you have different priority when it comes to the format
Bo2 allows you to get the maximum amounts of maps in per day, making it very suitable for Spain
To clarify:
A Russian player can play in any region in EMEA while counting as an EMEA player (this is what is defined by the "EMEA Competitive Region"), but they will be counted as an "import" (non LTR) in said region. This is because they arent in any leagues territory ("Challengers League Territories").
Basically theres 2 separate systems.
Imports from another VCT region, in the traditional sense (not in "EMEA Competitive Region").
And players who arent LTR ("Locally trained Representative"). You need 3 LTR players.
LTR players need to be residents (so from the "Challenger League Territory") or need to have been on a roster of the respective region for the majority of the previous season.
Trivially easy to count as LTR, but it is an extra barrier for young and unknown players from Russia.
Cant comment on if this ends up making a difference though.
Id ask what KC form is first.
Because I dont think hes playing significantly worse than he did on KC, its just that hes surrounded by players that are plain better than him currently.
It highlights his mistakes.
On KC we hand-waved his bad util and (at times) crazy decision making.
It was fine because KC was a team where individual firepower shone. And he did frag. A lot. Combine this with set plays where his util would look really good and you, if you picked to correct rounds, had a borderline perfect player.
He still has all these positive qualities and they regularly show. The expectations just need to be lowered a tad - he is a young player, currently swapping roles every 3 days. With time I dont doubt that he'll grow to match what you thought he was on KC.
If this is automatic (and applicable to all games in the future) that'd be a huge QOL change
you can edit in the first 5 minutes without it being marked as edited - given that the reply (and gamergirl looking up a source) was in less than 5 minutes its not unlikely it was actually edited to clarify what they meant
It might be unusual to you to see people "dogging on the orgs" since you don't consciously notice how much we already criticize orgs for (from a fans perspective) bad decisions. But thats exactly what I was explaining.
We have the ability to represent our interests here and as such it shouldn't be surprising that people do.
Understanding why they do it doesn't mean you have to stop complaining about it. You'll find with most major issues that its quite easy to understand why a party would do it. Doesn't make stuff less of an issue.
And regarding sustainability... well thats not what this is about in the slightest. No org is going to be more sustainable due to accepting a volatile and temporary stimulus, designed for them to get more rosters (so increase spending).
More money always good for sure, but you cant plan ahead with this kind of money. There is no guarantee youll get this money in 5 years time.
(For context this partnership money isnt payed for playing in the EWC. This is money partnered teams get regardless of what games they take part and how they preform in them.)
This is temporary money designed to build the EWC as a staple of esports.
But that argument is exactly why we need to be complaining.
We have one of the few industries which has to directly engage with us. They dont produce any good except for our engagement. Without fans there is no product.
It is our responsibility to add a cost to these kinds of decisions. We do it all the time, whether people notice or not. And no, it wont matter. Good public perception just doesnt translate into money anywhere near well enough to offset the insane money they get for the EWC. We can at least pretend esports is still about passion, rather than mindless investment, though.
The opposite approach is to not care about the orgs at all. Thats fine too. The majority of fans dont.
I belief its a bad approach to completely remove yourself from talking about issues, just blaming the world for being evil, however it is how you have to live the majority of your life anyways.
Thats probably not a crazy revelation to you but 4 spots to northeast and 2 to turkey makes little sense.
We are being VERY reactionary here.
You are currently judging a region which started their teambuilding way later than the others (due to factors outside of the teams control) for not doing well in the first of 3 internationals.
Punishing a newly formed region for having a slow start is nonsensical.
Didnt really fit anywhere in the form so imma just drop it here:
The schedule as a whole needs to be drawn out more (and I have no clue how youd do it so gl). We've seen plently of complaints about various formats (bo1s, bo2s and dach playing like 3 games) which I assume are caused by time crunch.
And now the international itself was plagued by it, with the group stage being very short and "random" as such (1 loss can mean elimination). With a bit extra time a swiss (or even just tad larger groups) would have been possible and mitigated a lot of the seeding concerns others have voiced.
the tweet? yea no clue if anything happened there (assumed it was a meme)
people (non pros) were complaining about pati being toxic in ranked back during his 2020-2022 days, but afaik that never went anywhere
ye, aint the first time
and given that hes not very pr safe wont be the last time either
I think theyre low ngl
They have 2 bans (Lotus and Pearl) and I dont think they have an insta win map
So "guaranteed" 1-0 and then 2 competitive maps
Im fine to excuse today as just being a bad day and Sen just doing well in scrappy situations, but even then its an uphill battle vs G2
Mitch and Tom are busy casting real games (Marvel Rivals)
Format means they gotta change now
After split 1 is too late since you already missed out on 2 internationals + 1 groups and probably dont have enough points to make it into playoffs -> champs
He was 2 way player with TL back when he was in t2, yes
But those kinds of contract end when the t2 team ascends (cant have 2 t1 teams be partnered for obvious reasons)
His contract with Apeks also expired since then and he swapped teams, so its triple over.
In a very roundabout way I think that the UK should be up there.
They are the embodiment of "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.”
To give an example: I adore indian food. I love cooking with spices and own way way way too many (im at 3 drawers now x.x). However I also enjoy the more simple concepts of german food, where you focus on the ingredients themselves and dont distract from them with the spices.
The UK has both. They are double useful for us in Europe since they already adapted a lot of the foreign recipes to work with more local ingredients.
Ye HE = hall effect
And nah not bad for typing, just... mediocre.
During typing the big HE advantages (Rapid trigger and Snap) arent relevant.
So its just a plain linear switch (unremarkable for the price, but nothing bad either).
If you like linear switches then theres a very good chance youll enjoy them.
If you like clicky/tactile switches youre unfortunately out of luck.
So it comes down to preference. Id always recommend looking if one of your local tech stores has keyboards on display that you can test first, but if youve had linear switches before then its basically the same, just even more linear.
Very unfortunate that DACH does single elim here x.x
But very nice showing from CGN; getting back into form
Cant have a finals without CGN
rounds were rolled back so stuff like rating doesnt work - just disregard it
Jas farms*
EMEA is just so hard to call before we see the first international
All regions stepped up this year on paper, so the list of "favorites" is like 10 teams long
The vlr match pages are/were great^^
Stream tags (so that the twitch search does something) and Stream together (sadly capped to 5 other people iirc + requires manual setup) for official co-streams could help for navigation on twitch (without needing to rely on people checking vlr... cause I know I kept forgetting x.x)
Grats to EP on making it to EMEA
I was expecting MZP to tear through lowers, but this is a tad easy no?!
Nice showing by both map 2
Yea basically xD
Everyones got their asterisks as to why the format sucks
The big problem I think is just how little time there is between splits now
But cant really complain since its only that tightly packed in order to allow for our t2 to get "internationals"
Yus it is (sorta) common. Ive just never seen it in league play where the amount of teams are far more controlled (Speeding things up for a qual makes perfect sense). It worked so cant complain.
And yea I gotta agree with the pyramid. I like the "lifeline" it provides (you cant get relegated in one split if you made it to uppers). Its just... harder to understand than the group/single swiss stages.
Makes it harder to create hype/storylines around the lower games.
My thing is only addressing group stage (since every region has their own relegation)
But mb, idk how I forgot about 4th also playing the bo5 for playoffs when I originally had an entire paragraph about how I liked that relegation was decoupled from the 2 groups x.x
ill fix it, so thx for the correction
Depends on what parts you watched
Upper -> Playoff is fine
The mix of bo1 and bo3 is unusual, but it worked out well imo.
But theres also lower, lcq and open qual
Its a lot of systems, each being shown on different broadcasts (main stream showing parts of the "stage", various costreamers popping in and out each week depending on their schedules)
It felt like work to watch everything (excluding when there were 2+ games at the same time)
Im just not sure you can ever fix the point distribution
If a team gets relegated and a new team comes into the league they start at 0 points
That means they are basically guaranteed to get relegated again next split unless they make it to like top 4 in playoffs
Thats really rough for a t3 team
That point system is... interesting.
Im not even sure if I like it in an ideal world where orgs stay the same over years, and rosters are consistent.
On the other hand the system other regions have is too far the other way, where it is SO easy to get relegated.
For example in Dach if you lose 2 bo3s and then the "relegation bo5" youre gone. You dont have time to fix your team if things go wrong (see PXU after beating BBL in the offseason)
So i do wonder where the correct middle ground is with such short splits (for Spain the normal relegation system would work since they got to play so many maps imo)
However I do have to defend the format. Spains format is the best in all the emea t2 regions. Everyone got to play 18 maps in groups, with main broadcast showing 6 per day (missing 4). Thats miles better than anyone else.
Kajaak was thruthful at the time cojo said it
Fnatic did not pay the buyout (which was the rumor at the time) and were still waiting for the contract to run out.
They had no guarantee whatsoever that he was joining; he was signed to an org they had not made any deal with.
There were multiple teams who still wanted to sign him at the time of the statement.
until we get some other leaks about it, imma assume it is bait
but also, this tweet would be gold if they get kicked and cant play for the entire year
that'd feed the vlr drama for months
nope
theres basically 2 systems that allow t1 teams to have a team in t2
Partner team (independent org) -> they ascend and partnership is ended
Academy -> they cant go to ascension and the runner up takes their slot
Wouldnt be the first time
He lost his contract with NiP because he stood up for Yacine (and then proceeded to make a team leagues better than anything NiP was ever able to... even after they stole Sayf from them)
Yacine and Draken then returned the favor, getting themselves benched when Guild decided to kick Bonkar.
But nah actual reason, that hes getting benched from the coach slot, is because hes swapping with Fns and is their new igl
Enjoy the analysis here
And perfect summary for map 5 ngl
well teams like g2 are now doing what he asked them to do in the tweet, so I would assume hes fine with the current version
"Not only that, LEV didnt have to use a single utility piece to win this round which saves shitton of cash, and didnt have to rebuy any shields.
If you wanted to troll this round, G2, at least do it properly and jump off after your opponents planted, so you would waste more time and make them use util."
Thats easy af
Bonk, Ucam, Case, Giants, Team Cheese
Only stopped by the fact that I couldnt remember who else was in spain back in 2022 and if they had actually beaten rebels
phew, saved our reputation by diffing aspas
we back
They had their chance for the gentle treatment https://www.vlr.gg/429386/team-heretics-vs-gentle-mates-champions-tour-2025-emea-kickoff-ubqf
Big brother is here to take revenge now
He went from a team focused on developing talent where he was the star player to a team where hes a glue player
So like ya cant be expecting the same numbers as back that being said... apparently yes, cause these last 2 games have been rough
TL.A impressive af (overcame the sliggy curse too)
Beat both of the favorites (?) now, so well earned spot
Lowers is gonna be brutal now though, oml
Well that was dominant
SM is the truth apparently
Rough to do this after the offseason
Bro just got the lose-lose job joining after the 2023 season and its unfortunate how much the roster struggled to rediscover themselves post meta shift under him.
Hope he lands on his feet and that fnatic can find the right person to get em back to the top
(crashies coaching arc incoming)
well yea, generally speaking you dont want him to call too much stuff in these clips
A lot of the calls we hear from them have to do with their util/timing swings with another player (so non igl stuff)
While theyre generally cut out (since the clips start right in the action), you can hear a couple (iirc 2?) positioning calls from Sayf, where hes trying to read the opposing team
So I think its just the way they edited it and Sayf not overcalling with such a vocal roster (but ofc we dont know)
well obviously hes useful for calling
he learned under the goat godkar
ye am talking more high level; game was unreal at low ranks (helped by not knowing anything about it yet tbf)
And when comparing games its the best nowerdays for sure, hence I compared heights
paladins is a dead game without mm, ow is the definition of stale and TF2 is older than some users on this site
but... unless youre playing wolverine the only truly broken characters atm are the supports (and ig moonknight in the correct comp due to his ult being bugged - accidental savior of the meta right there)
and idk about you but I find the support loop extremely underwhelming compared to other titles - just spam you 0cd heals, dont die and youre doing your job (Ive been in Luna jail for like 30 games now xD)
So at least for me the "broken = fun" has been heavily overshadowed by boring characters being the broken ones atm
Meh
Playing the shit out of it atm, but the game is underwhelming at best
Balance is way off, map design (gameplay wise) is boring and the game has fundamental design issues rn that lead it to horrible metas like ow (tripple support atm).
When comparing the peaks of the "recent" 4 big hero shooters (OW, TF2, Paladins and now Marvel) it is by far the worst. They still have a lot of time to figure out where they wanna take the game though, so its fine.
Rn its a fun game because its still fresh.
If you want to play a Hero shooter than its the best we have atm, and im 99% sure youll enjoy your time initially.
Faster and more consistent schedule
EMEA has a very tight schedule this year since all regions need to finish before our internationals (https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2025/EMEA/Stage_1)
Spain got the best format out of all the emea t2 regions by far (though they dont broadcast everything on main... not sure how I feel about it, but at least theres more than 2 games for the best teams)
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