"60% of Coaches are frauds"

Ardiis says he thinks '60% of coaches are frauds'
do you think he's chatting shit, or does he have a point?

he has a point, he's kind of a fraud too thought

true

takes one to know one

he just want all the smoke he can have with controversial takes to stay relevant

if u believe ardiis's statement u have some sorta mental illness

compared to regular sports coaches (football, basketball etc) probably yeah kinda right tbh. the coaching role just hasn't had much time to develop it's mostly just former players who aren't good enough anymore. We've had some excellent coaches and those teams probably would not have won without them (potter, mini, etc) but overall the coaching impact in valorant is probably a lot less than pep guardiola or someone of that level

I wouldn't say frauds just not as impactful as we're used to "coaches" being just because the role hasn't been developed enough yet overall. If esports are still going strong in 20+ years I imagine it will be similar

Gotta be lower

Kxtqqh [#2]

he has a point, he's kind of a fraud too thought

game recognizes game

could be as high as 80%

Ardiis isnt as good as zellsis at farming impressions so he just says whatever will get him the most hate at the moment

raavv [#7]

compared to regular sports coaches (football, basketball etc) probably yeah kinda right tbh. the coaching role just hasn't had much time to develop it's mostly just former players who aren't good enough anymore. We've had some excellent coaches and those teams probably would not have won without them (potter, mini, etc) but overall the coaching impact in valorant is probably a lot less than pep guardiola or someone of that level

I wouldn't say frauds just not as impactful as we're used to "coaches" being just because the role hasn't been developed enough yet overall. If esports are still going strong in 20+ years I imagine it will be similar

good take

unlucky in vcc btw

you cant expect silver players to understand the game

i know potter is an exception but how many of these coaches are actually potter understanding of the fken game

theyre frauds and their day to day is probably "today we will study A site fracture" and copy new comps from actual innovative teams

true to some degree yeah

100% agree, I think the mark of a good coach is someone who can be top of the game with a different roster and in a different meta. There are some coaches who get lots of praise for doing really well with 1 roster in 1 meta and then never do anything good again (cough bzka and chet cough)

Some examples of actual good coaches
Potter
Alecks (I know he gets lots of hate but when PRX look good its because of the set plays and pre strats-also its an achievement to get as high places as they do consistently)
Termi (I hate him for cutting my goat but cant deny every iteration of DRX has been a top team-also DRX/VS were known for their set plays)
Doombros
Mini

Coaches that could be good but need to see more consistency
Kaplan
Solo
Muggle
Fr0d
Zikz

Hades_Loves_Rb [#15]

100% agree, I think the mark of a good coach is someone who can be top of the game with a different roster and in a different meta. There are some coaches who get lots of praise for doing really well with 1 roster in 1 meta and then never do anything good again (cough bzka and chet cough)

Some examples of actual good coaches
Potter
Alecks (I know he gets lots of hate but when PRX look good its because of the set plays and pre strats-also its an achievement to get as high places as they do consistently)
Termi (I hate him for cutting my goat but cant deny every iteration of DRX has been a top team-also DRX/VS were known for their set plays)
Doombros
Mini

Coaches that could be good but need to see more consistency
Kaplan
Solo
Muggle
Fr0d
Zikz

solo with his 2024 can't be regarded as a good coach? I would say he can be added to that list now.

yellow_donkey [#16]

solo with his 2024 can't be regarded as a good coach? I would say he can be added to that list now.

that is 1 good year with 1 roster and 1 meta

if he is still top of the game this year he will be proven

H3ENnZ [#8]

Gotta be lower

yeah maybe lower, around 30%?
actually it sorta depends on what you consider 'fraudulent' since there's no objective measure

real shit

not just valorant. caedrel has said something about how in league the west copied the format of asian teams without knowing what made good coaches good. so even in league there are alot of people in the position of coach who don't deserve to be there

ArterieX [#6]

if u believe ardiis's statement u have some sorta mental illness

1k post you virgin get a wash

raavv [#7]

compared to regular sports coaches (football, basketball etc) probably yeah kinda right tbh. the coaching role just hasn't had much time to develop it's mostly just former players who aren't good enough anymore. We've had some excellent coaches and those teams probably would not have won without them (potter, mini, etc) but overall the coaching impact in valorant is probably a lot less than pep guardiola or someone of that level

I wouldn't say frauds just not as impactful as we're used to "coaches" being just because the role hasn't been developed enough yet overall. If esports are still going strong in 20+ years I imagine it will be similar

a football coach is basically a manager of 20-30 players, maybe even close to 50 if u count the B team, has a staff of 10+ people and football just has different dynamics, the most important piece in most esports and specially FPS will remain the IGL, there are are excepcional coaches like b1ad3 in CS but u cant perform miracles without an IGL u can trust in game, every b1ad3 needs his aleksib or boombl4 and players like s1mple/elec/perfecto calling too

yeah dasnerth clears every coach

ArterieX [#6]

if u believe ardiis's statement u have some sorta mental illness

https://www.twitch.tv/ardiis/clip/ZealousTrappedThymeKappaWealth-3eWb31t4llMdI-vs

HongEunchae [#13]

you cant expect silver players to understand the game

i know potter is an exception but how many of these coaches are actually potter understanding of the fken game

theyre frauds and their day to day is probably "today we will study A site fracture" and copy new comps from actual innovative teams

what has potter even done to be regarded as some genius? had a team with 5 top players in EG and has done fuckall since or before that good 6 month period with EG

Hades_Loves_Rb [#15]

100% agree, I think the mark of a good coach is someone who can be top of the game with a different roster and in a different meta. There are some coaches who get lots of praise for doing really well with 1 roster in 1 meta and then never do anything good again (cough bzka and chet cough)

Some examples of actual good coaches
Potter
Alecks (I know he gets lots of hate but when PRX look good its because of the set plays and pre strats-also its an achievement to get as high places as they do consistently)
Termi (I hate him for cutting my goat but cant deny every iteration of DRX has been a top team-also DRX/VS were known for their set plays)
Doombros
Mini

Coaches that could be good but need to see more consistency
Kaplan
Solo
Muggle
Fr0d
Zikz

d00mbros is on fraudwatch ngl, engh needs to be first on this list, made a team with magnum as igl and a bunch of bots win kickoff

conorccccc [#21]

1k post you virgin get a wash

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ok son

common knowledge, orgs need to stop putting trust in coaches and just trust IGLs/empower players when it comes to power dynamics in teams/building teams, hopefully coaches become less important once we have more established IGLs in EMEA

I think if a player is/was coached by someone like sliggy, their standards would increase; and he was once coached by sliggy. He just have an insane work ethic, and if that is ardiis's standard for a coach, then yeah, what he said would check out.

idkbro [#26]

d00mbros is on fraudwatch ngl, engh needs to be first on this list, made a team with magnum as igl and a bunch of bots win kickoff

for d00mbros I put him here because he was top of the game (and when I say top of the game I mean going to and doing decent at intls) in 2022, 2023 and was fighting for it in 2024. Plus you can see the direct impact of his coaching when you compare NAVi before he left and after

Hades_Loves_Rb [#30]

for d00mbros I put him here because he was top of the game (and when I say top of the game I mean going to and doing decent at intls) in 2022, 2023 and was fighting for it in 2024. Plus you can see the direct impact of his coaching when you compare NAVi before he left and after

not a valid argument since were shit even with him 2023 and 2024 + team collapsed after he got kicked, ardiis talked about how they all left in bad terms with ange1

idkbro [#31]

not a valid argument since were shit even with him 2023 and 2024 + team collapsed after he got kicked, ardiis talked about how they all left in bad terms with ange1

shit in 2023 is making all 3 intls, making top 3/4 in 1, and losing out 2 VERY close games to the 4th best and 5/6th best team in the second, and losing another 2 VERY close games to the 5/6th and 3rd best team in the third
shit in 2024 is dominating and losing 2 single elim games to the best emea team and 2nd best team that year

ok bro

Hades_Loves_Rb [#32]

shit in 2023 is making all 3 intls, making top 3/4 in 1, and losing out 2 VERY close games to the 4th best and 5/6th best team in the second, and losing another 2 VERY close games to the 5/6th and 3rd best team in the third
shit in 2024 is dominating and losing 2 single elim games to the best emea team and 2nd best team that year

ok bro

lets be honest NaVi wasnt even close to challenging for an international title that season regardless of placement, there was no worlds they would have won tokyo or any other event, also EMEA was a disgrace back then, making top3-4 in 2023 EMEA is the bare minimun for any half decent team at an international level like that NaVi, just look at the rosters and how teams other than Fnatic performed internationally, the level was just really poor

Hades_Loves_Rb [#17]

that is 1 good year with 1 roster and 1 meta

if he is still top of the game this year he will be proven

fairs but some of the coaches you listed werent in "top of their game" for more than a year tbh. But i see your point.

damn... this reads real different after the m4 incident

Aayan [#35]

damn... this reads real different after the m4 incident

maybe the real frauds were the Bennet islands we made along the way

he just wants views he will say anything

I think a good coach is essential, but that a lot of players have to mush ego to be properly coached, and they prefer a coach that will shut up and let them do whatever they want, than a coach that will bring his own vision of the game and force them to do thing they don't want.

A potential good exemple is the postplant meta, postplant meta should exist since beta, but because proplayer like take fight it was probably really hard for a coach to ask their player to be more patient, to not take a lot of fight, to not use their ego to try to kill opponent, and just use the spike as the deadliest weapon.

So maybe he is right 60% of coach are fraud, but thats maybe because 60% of pro don't want someone to coach them because of (an understandable) ego x) Maybe that the reason why ASia will dominate Valo in the upcoming year like in LoL, because this sounds more as an occidental mentality, in KR/CN it seems the coach have the real power, while in EU/NA it's the palyer

https://imgur.com/a/pMhvTdR

The game is still pretty young, so most of us are still trying to work our way around to being "legit".