Indians team are playing with each whole year(not improving), scrims with sea team doesn't help when there is only 1 ascension in a year.
Scrims≠tournament.
There should be more APAC tournament for tier 2 teams or our region will remain underdeveloped ( Our viewership is also on decline from 30k to only 500-600 viewers)
Nipstyx [#6]and it will keep happening if our few good players (not "T1 ready" but good) don't get a chance in T1 league.
In few years when GE will lose it franchise slot, We will be not t1 ready region forever.
Araragi [#8]In few years when GE will lose it franchise slot, We will be not t1 ready region forever.
i mean they got shit on in 23 with 3 Indian players
Blackheart [#7]It's already dead bro, no tier 1 players in 4 years while African country like morocco are able to produce tier 1 player
Johnqt is playing in America his whole life. I don't consider him morocco talent.
ct_fd_str [#9]i mean they got shit on in 23 with 3 Indian players
They got shit on in 24 with 4 non Indian, what's your point.
11/12 just like Japan, the difference Japan gives a chance to their players, the result? you know yourself lol
Honestly, 10 teams Franchise system does not suit for APAC, maybe 16 will be good cuz 3 slot already wasted for japan & SA, and Pacific is so big too many countries in pacific that also deserved a spot
EseemedRes1180 [#11]Maybe not split 3 has got some new young players that look good. Team are willing to sign unknown ranked players so its a good sign but yes our skill celling is not very high atm
But playing alone in vcl SA won't improve them. we need more APAC tournament.
Araragi [#12]They got shit on in 24 with 4 non Indian, what's your point.
they certainly played better
Dattadri_sai [#13]11/12 just like Japan, the difference Japan gives a chance to their players, the result? you know yourself lol
Honestly, 10 teams Franchise system does not suit for APAC, maybe 16 will be good cuz 3 slot already wasted for japan & SA, and Pacific is so big too many countries in pacific that also deserved a spot
actually, I really like this idea.
people fail to realize that the valorant esport scene is still not much developed in regions like APAC, that's why it took them 4 years to get a trophy.
ct_fd_str [#16]they certainly played better
Nah, they played better on 23. We had close game with top teams.
Dattadri_sai [#13]11/12 just like Japan, the difference Japan gives a chance to their players, the result? you know yourself lol
Honestly, 10 teams Franchise system does not suit for APAC, maybe 16 will be good cuz 3 slot already wasted for japan & SA, and Pacific is so big too many countries in pacific that also deserved a spot
Japan??? With arguably the best T2? Dying?
Stormyv8 [#20]Japan??? With arguably the best T2? Dying?
I wonder what happens to their best t2 talent in vct league. Experience matters a lot. Doing good in scrims and local tournament means nothing.
Araragi [#10]Johnqt is playing in America his whole life. I don't consider him morocco talent.
Doesnt change the fact that he is from morocco making him morocco talent
Stormyv8 [#20]Japan??? With arguably the best T2? Dying?
not the scene, but the player regeneration is kinda dead already.
Araragi [#10]Johnqt is playing in America his whole life. I don't consider him morocco talent.
there are more Indian immigrants in the USA, so why is there not yet an Indian tier 1 player with an Indian flag?
Araragi [#10]Johnqt is playing in America his whole life. I don't consider him morocco talent.
he moved to canada during his college visa was still active. not his whole life lmao. just look at his past teams
ionlyHave1Zuni [#22]Doesnt change the fact that he is from morocco making him morocco talent
Then we should claim FNS and Curry too? From that Logic. Saying the top ranked player in America is Indian he owns them? But that's just trash logic.
bearmans [#23]not the scene, but the player regeneration is kinda dead already.
You're clearly not familiar with jp scene.
Aace yatsuka and caedye only started playing this year.
Academy teams popping up everywhere even if we don't include questionable ones.
Yowamu and bnn started showing some promise ( albeit needed more guidance)
Mametu who never played in t2 is playing rn .
Talent regeneration in japan is far from dead...
Dattadri_sai [#13]11/12 just like Japan, the difference Japan gives a chance to their players, the result? you know yourself lol
Honestly, 10 teams Franchise system does not suit for APAC, maybe 16 will be good cuz 3 slot already wasted for japan & SA, and Pacific is so big too many countries in pacific that also deserved a spot
riddle placed top 4 this ascension and top 2 last year. there is way more potential than india but scouting and talent development has been a lil issue for them which can be solved if orgs put their resources and time into it like academy teams and etc
Aaryan_dll [#26]Then we should claim FNS and Curry too? From that Logic. Saying the top ranked player in America is Indian he owns them? But that's just trash logic.
fns was born in tanzania lil bro
Aaryan_dll [#26]Then we should claim FNS and Curry too? From that Logic. Saying the top ranked player in America is Indian he owns them? But that's just trash logic.
i honestly support your point but FNS and Curry are probs not the best examples you couldve chosen
Araragi [#21]I wonder what happens to their best t2 talent in vct league. Experience matters a lot. Doing good in scrims and local tournament means nothing.
I agree their current Players are meh at best, but having one of the biggest market in val does not indicate a dying scene
Er3ngenes1s [#28]riddle placed top 4 this ascension and top 2 last year. there is way more potential than india but scouting and talent development has been a lil issue for them which can be solved if orgs put their resources and time into it like academy teams and etc
I think VCJ has the most academy teams out of any regions rn so they definitely put a ton of resources
Aaryan_dll [#26]Then we should claim FNS and Curry too? From that Logic. Saying the top ranked player in America is Indian he owns them? But that's just trash logic.
Curry has USA flag, if you don't know, that means he is representing the USA while Johnqt does have the Morocco flag. Dont know what weird logic you are referring to
IonlywatchvcjXD [#27]You're clearly not familiar with jp scene.
Aace yatsuka and caedye only started playing this year.
Academy teams popping up everywhere even if we don't include questionable ones.
Yowamu and bnn started showing some promise ( albeit needed more guidance)
Mametu who never played in t2 is playing rn .
Talent regeneration in japan is far from dead...
and then next year vcl winner will be the mixed jp-kr team, as always.
bearmans [#34]and then next year vcl winner will be the mixed jp-kr team, as always.
What's wrong with that? I mean sure, the idea of a full japanese with vcl is something i really desire but ,as long as new talents keeps popping out it doesn't really matter.
As long as it's not scarz winning vcl with 4 imports I don't really care who wins tbh.
K4ziuHa [#35]When was it alive
There were many of them 2021 - 2022. Idk the number but obviously much more of them than now
Blackheart [#24]there are more Indian immigrants in the USA, so why is there not yet an Indian tier 1 player with an Indian flag?
INDIA DOSEN'T PROVIDE DUAL CITIZENSHIP SIMULTANEOUSLY
Araragi [#10]Johnqt is playing in America his whole life. I don't consider him morocco talent.
he only started playing in NA in 2021,before that he played cs and valorant in morocco
Dattadri_sai [#13]11/12 just like Japan, the difference Japan gives a chance to their players, the result? you know yourself lol
Honestly, 10 teams Franchise system does not suit for APAC, maybe 16 will be good cuz 3 slot already wasted for japan & SA, and Pacific is so big too many countries in pacific that also deserved a spot
But japan is little bit fell off to, to much koreans in challengers
Global eSports is the biggest reason for this downfall. There was a time when Indians used to say Kick Kappa and Hellranger and import good players. Prime Rossi lF was good( i know it's hard to believe but he used to diff texture and meteor) and even Skillz was decent. If only back then they had kicked Kappa hellranger the whole scene might have been different. The GE owner didn’t listen to the fans then and he is still not listening now. When we asked for imported players he ignored us . now we’re asking for Indian players and he still won’t listen. This org and the Indian Valorant scene are bound to fail because of people like Rushindra Sinha.
xO1xi [#45]Global eSports is the biggest reason for this downfall. There was a time when Indians used to say Kick Kappa and Hellranger and import good players. Prime Rossi lF was good( i know it's hard to believe but he used to diff texture and meteor) and even Skillz was decent. If only back then they had kicked Kappa hellranger the whole scene might have been different. The GE owner didn’t listen to the fans then and he is still not listening now. When we asked for imported players he ignored us . now we’re asking for Indian players and he still won’t listen. This org and the Indian Valorant scene are bound to fail because of people like Rushindra Sinha.
Fr Kappa let GE down so bad. If only they had someone else even import who knew initiator. Moreover, God Particles was also insane in 2021, if GE had focused to put two players from GP, then they would have atleast made it to top5/6 in APAC 22'
xO1xi [#45]Global eSports is the biggest reason for this downfall. There was a time when Indians used to say Kick Kappa and Hellranger and import good players. Prime Rossi lF was good( i know it's hard to believe but he used to diff texture and meteor) and even Skillz was decent. If only back then they had kicked Kappa hellranger the whole scene might have been different. The GE owner didn’t listen to the fans then and he is still not listening now. When we asked for imported players he ignored us . now we’re asking for Indian players and he still won’t listen. This org and the Indian Valorant scene are bound to fail because of people like Rushindra Sinha.
Haa bro definitely, make ur own org and do ur own stuff
Kim_Minjii [#43]But japan is little bit fell off to, to much koreans in challengers
That's just the scene in general tho, that's not to say it will just remain the same.
I can make arguments as to how this split's imports will be worse than previous splits(especially those on lesser known teams) . I can also argue why Japan next split will rely even less on imports next split(tldr Japan's increasing amount of talents replacing imports) and how it will hurt teams ( risks in taking in unproven talents) but benefitting the scene in the long term.
As long as not every team imports 2 players and the JP talent pool actually widens ( which it does; and orgs needs to utilize this fact) I think we are going to be in a good position
KClaw [#47]Haa bro definitely, make ur own org and do ur own stuff
Keep meatriding foreign player in GE 🤡. Congratulations, you have officially became that guy who doesn't believe or want their own country player except botssi in GE.
That 30k viewership was only because of the Pubg ban in India and all the pubg creators from S8UL were supporting Valorant because they didn't have any other choice than playing and watching valorant because of Pubg ban
Other reason was orgs like GE and VLT had their fanbases in India so their fans would just watch the match because their favorite org was playing when GE and VLT left the local circuit more than 50℅ of viewership went down.
The Truth is Valorant as a Esports was never famous in India.
botfragger432 [#49]Keep meatriding foreign player in GE 🤡. Congratulations, you have officially became that guy who doesn't believe or want their own country player except botssi in GE.
Exactly bro i dont understand the logic behind supporting GE when they don't even have a single indian player in the team
Just supporting GE because it's an indian org?? LMAOOO
botfragger432 [#49]Keep meatriding foreign player in GE 🤡. Congratulations, you have officially became that guy who doesn't believe or want their own country player except botssi in GE.
Fr they think indian players= GE Rossi,LF bc aur v players hai india mai..
_Echo_ [#52]Valorant is dying everywhere, not only in India. The average viewership is declining. Apart from the popular teams like Sentinels, PRX, Lev etc., other teams are not able to pull in much crowd. If more tournaments are not added it will surely die in a few years.
Hi I'm from Jakarta, cool story bro
India needs to improve their infrastructure and their access to computers and hardware for more people to play valorant and any other competitive PC games. It's not that their horrible at the game, it's that there isn't enough actually tier 1 competition happening among them simply because the infrastructure doesn't support it at the moment. India has a longgg way to go.
Araragi [#19]Nah, they played better on 23. We had close game with top teams.
meh that's kinda cope, but I'd love to see them try an indian majority lineup even if they have to lose for a year or two, but it would benefit the region
Apsodia [#57]Hi I'm from Jakarta, cool story bro
Bad example, boom on home crowd...
It's not as bad as he makes it out to be ( maybe, unless he showed some stats) , but the growth is slow af
ct_fd_str [#9]i mean they got shit on in 23 with 3 Indian players
who are the 3 we talking about? because im almost sure we only saw skrossi and lf and when one played the other didn't
altho tbf that team was pretty good with or without the indians just kept choking so looked like they couldn't win jack
Sk00d [#59]meh that's kinda cope, but I'd love to see them try an indian majority lineup even if they have to lose for a year or two, but it would benefit the region
tbh 23 team did play better and was more competitive, it was just that they also always played max 1 indian player per map
unless we ain't talking abt ge
soonwookong [#62]tbh 23 team did play better and was more competitive, it was just that they also always played max 1 indian player per map
unless we ain't talking abt ge
24 GE had more wins and looked better from eye test
also they beat RRQ, in 23' their biggest win was Gen.G(the shit one) or Talon
The actual reason is that Indian players want to be the best, but they don't want to go through that tough phase. Everyone is changing team in every 1-2 month. One player hits Radiant, gets a good offer and stops playing ranked or working on their game. Just play 3-4 scrims and jump into the tournaments.
TEHMANISDINGIN [#54]I really dont care about Indian valorant, if their region die it doesnt matter for vct apac cause their region defenetly didnt have any impact. For views? No shit, their youtube account only have like 5k views. Lmao
and no one cares about your replies too. It might not be a concern for you because of course you are getting nothing from it but it's a concern for Riot. And that's why riot is doing so much from releasing Indian Agent to hosting so many watch parties, funding the SA tournaments even after a very less response from audience. It's a pitch being set for VALORANT Mobile.
And Views? yes India and China can get as many views as the whole world all together.
Performance wise I think India needs a lot of improvement.
Viewership wise - Riot did a mistake to add GE in Franchise. VLT was not as established as GE of course, but VLT had insane fanbase and they still want VLT to play as a team. They could've talked to S8UL or God Like as well who were not active is the scene but they have the real audience.
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