Please for the love of god when partnership revaluation comes in 2027 don't give a spot to Team Falcons, I know for a fact they're considering it but I don't want Valorant to get poisoned by Saudi blood money
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Harapan845 [#4]didn't they drop out of val or smth I swear the ultimates roster was falcons roster
Yeah but I have a feeling that Riot would be willing to offer them a spot and Falcons would probably re-enter Valorant if they got a partnership slot
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#5]Yeah but I have a feeling that Riot would be willing to offer them a spot and Falcons would probably re-enter Valorant if they got a partnership slot
yeah thats true
Harapan845 [#7]at least the cs roster is failing kek
It's really hard to pray on their downfall when they have s1mple + 2 former Astralis players and zonic but god do I want that roster to crash and burn
gold2peak [#12]I can't watch YouTube
Sideshow explaining how Saudi Arabia is trying to use esports as a way to distract people from their horrific actions and why we should care
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#13]It's really hard to pray on their downfall when they have s1mple + 2 former Astralis players and zonic but god do I want that roster to crash and burn
I'm fine with it because they getting their bag and they have already won their majors
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#14]Sideshow explaining how Saudi Arabia is trying to use esports as a way to distract people from their horrific actions and why we should care
also increases the unsustainability of said esport
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#14]Sideshow explaining how Saudi Arabia is trying to use esports as a way to distract people from their horrific actions and why we should care
Where's sideshows video about russia
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#14]Sideshow explaining how Saudi Arabia is trying to use esports as a way to distract people from their horrific actions and why we should care
The thing is
You just shouldn't care about this cuz you can make this "distraction" argument for almost every single powerhouse nation so its pointless only trying to stop Saudi Arabia if the others are doing it as well and i wont elaborate further cuz that just goes into politics
gold2peak [#18]Where's sideshows video about russia
???
Russia isn't currently doing the same things Sideshow is addressing in the video
He made the video about Saudi Arabia specifically because of it's impact on esports
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#20]???
Russia isn't currently doing the same things Sideshow is addressing in the video
He made the video about Saudi Arabia specifically because of it's impact on esports
Russia is killing people it doesn't really get worse than that
Selfim [#19]The thing is
You just shouldn't care about this cuz you can make this "distraction" argument for almost every single powerhouse nation so its pointless only trying to stop Saudi Arabia if the others are doing it as well and i wont elaborate further cuz that just goes into politics
I hate this line of thinking. Just because you can't address and take a stand on every single example of a moral issue doesn't mean you shouldn't care about any of them. Perfect is the enemy of the good after all.
Besides, the only other example of this I can think of that's comparable is China and their massive influence in esports but even then that's not the same thing as what Saudi Arabia is doing
gold2peak [#21]Russia is killing people it doesn't really get worse than that
russia doesnt have any valorant teams
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#22]I hate this line of thinking. Just because you can't address and take a stand on every single example of a moral issue doesn't mean you shouldn't care about any of them. Perfect is the enemy of the good after all.
Besides, the only other example of this I can think of that's comparable is China and their massive influence in esports but even then that's not the same thing as what Saudi Arabia is doing
China is another good one. Why is no one criticizing them? oh right because riot is owned by china
gold2peak [#21]Russia is killing people it doesn't really get worse than that
specifically because of it's impact on esports
Are you stupid?
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#22]I hate this line of thinking. Just because you can't address and take a stand on every single example of a moral issue doesn't mean you shouldn't care about any of them. Perfect is the enemy of the good after all.
Besides, the only other example of this I can think of that's comparable is China and their massive influence in esports but even then that's not the same thing as what Saudi Arabia is doing
bruh shut the hull up just because you view other things wrong it doesn't mean its wrong
bc sideshow is a clown if he really want to speak on that he start speaking about riot and china
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#26]specifically because of it's impact on esports
Are you stupid?
I guess russia has no eSports teams
Rocky54 [#27]bruh shut the hull up just because you view other things wrong it doesn't mean its wrong
bc sideshow is a clown if he really want to speak on that he start speaking about riot and china
Like I said, just because you don't talk about literally every moral issue ever doesn't mean you can't talk about any
Plus Sideshow literally refused to go to China and cast Shanghai because of his opposition to the Chinese government
Harapan845 [#28]russia literally cant have any
ok what about china bruh yall just based because you don't like Saudi Arabia
if you really cared china has a whole league in valorant
gold2peak [#25]China is another good one. Why is no one criticizing them? oh right because riot is owned by china
i assure you sir i can and will criticise China but obviously that absolves Saudi of all issues
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#31]Like I said, just because you don't talk about literally every moral issue ever doesn't mean you can't talk about any
Plus Sideshow literally refused to go to China and cast Shanghai because of his opposition to the Chinese government
doesn't matter why did he start by saudi Arabia
and not the game that he work for wish is straight uo owned by china he still makes them money and promote they're game buddy
china is literally committed in war crimes
saudi isn't here killing people
gold2peak [#29]I guess russia has no eSports teams
I mean to my knowledge all of the ones owned by or associated with Russian oligarchs literally can't compete because of sanction laws
Harapan845 [#33]i assure you sir i can and will criticise China but obviously that absolves Saudi of all issues
And not allowing falcons to partnership will make the oil billionaires re-think their morals 💯
Rocky54 [#34]doesn't matter why did he start by saudi Arabia
and not the game that he work for wish is straight uo owned by china he still makes them money and promote they're game buddy
china is literally committed in war crimes
saudi isn't here killing people
Rocky54 [#34]doesn't matter why did he start by saudi Arabia
and not the game that he work for wish is straight uo owned by china he still makes them money and promote they're game buddy
china is literally committed in war crimes
saudi isn't here killing people
saudi isn't here killing people
Bro are you fucking stupid? Like genuinely, have you been brainwashed? Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries in the modern world in terms of human rights abuse and governmental violence
Rocky54 [#9]shut the hell up
if sideshow really cared he wouldn't be in valorant or riot because riot is straight up owned by tencent wish has ties to the Chinese government
Take a step back and actually listen to what sideshow said. Being upset before you took your time to try and understand what his points are wont help anyone
If you can then come back and convince people why this line of thinking is wrong then thats perfect; that means a proper discussion took place.
Riot being a chinese company does not equate to sport-washing and is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what his issue with Saudi's actions are.
Targu1n [#42]Take a step back and actually listen to what sideshow said. Being upset before you took your time to try and understand what his points are wont help anyone
If you can then come back and convince people why this line of thinking is wrong then thats perfect; that means a proper discussion took place.
Riot being a chinese company does not equate to sport-washing and is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what his issue with Saudi's actions are.
juat because he viewes saudi the way he viewed it doesn't mean its wrong
Rocky54 [#43]juat because he viewes saudi the way he viewed it doesn't mean its wrong
good thing got it https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman
x_knowitall39_x [#41]yeah dude I hate it when people get payed a lot of money :(
When the money comes from the Saudi Arabian government then yeah so do I
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#40]saudi isn't here killing people
Bro are you fucking stupid? Like genuinely, have you been brainwashed? Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries in the modern world in terms of human rights abuse and governmental violence
you the retard one saudia Arabia ls literally one of the safest countries you the one beings brain washed just because you viewed transgender and being naked is freedom it doesn’t mean it’s freedoms
Ever citizen of Saudi can leave the country if he dont like it simple
Rocky54 [#34]doesn't matter why did he start by saudi Arabia
and not the game that he work for wish is straight uo owned by china he still makes them money and promote they're game buddy
china is literally committed in war crimes
saudi isn't here killing people
Because Saudi is currently going all in on investing in Esports to sportwash their image; they are the perfect example to the point he was making.
Its like how I will always point people to the 1936 berlin olympics when someone is interested in learning about sportswashing. No its not the most successful example, but its well documented and is easy to observe.
The takeaway isnt that only Nazis do sportswashing, but what sportswashing is and how it can be used.
Rocky54 [#43]juat because he viewes saudi the way he viewed it doesn't mean its wrong
Saudi Arabia is VERY much in the wrong idk how you can say it's a matter of personal opinion
Harapan845 [#45]good thing got it https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman
You linked me before a transgender killing himself what’s your point ?
Rocky54 [#47]you the retard one saudia Arabia ls literally one of the safest countries you the one beings brain washed just because you viewed transgender and being naked is freedom it doesn’t mean it’s freedoms
Ever citizen of Saudi can leave the country if he dont like it simple
I guess the 13,000 civilians killed in Yemen should've just moved somewhere else
Rocky54 [#50]You linked me before a transgender killing himself what’s your point ?
she killed herself after being forced to return there and driven to suicide and they VIOLATE human rights and you said that's just a point of view if that's bad
Targu1n [#48]Because Saudi is currently going all in on investing in Esports to sportwash their image; they are the perfect example to the point he was making.
Its like how I will always point people to the 1936 berlin olympics when someone is interested in learning about sportswashing. No its not the most successful example, but its well documented and is easy to observe.
The takeaway isnt that only Nazis do sportswashing, but what sportswashing is and how it can be used.
Look at this. Guy what image like i said just because you View freedom the you way view it doesn’t mean you are right idont think Saudi is trying to brain wash anyone
Rocky54 [#43]juat because he viewes saudi the way he viewed it doesn't mean its wrong
How he or you view Saudi isnt relevant for sportswashing.
Think of this as a far more fundamental thing.
Its a concept. And he talks about it.
If Germany does it, its be bad. If the USA does it, its be bad. Any country misusing sports for their political interest is bad.
Esports hasnt been largely removed from the political machine so far, with Saudi being the first big scale example of governments abusing esports to try and better their image with the youth.
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#51]I guess the 13,000 civilians killed in Yemen should've just moved somewhere else
You right about that but you know what your country and United State is targeting the same group wish is houtis in yemen wish they listed them as terrorists
Rocky54 [#32]ok what about china bruh yall just based because you don't like Saudi Arabia
if you really cared china has a whole league in valorant
biased* i dont think you meant based (i dont like china either)
Rocky54 [#53]Look at this. Guy what image like i said just because you View freedom the you way view it doesn’t mean you are right idont think Saudi is trying to brain wash anyone
.... read what I said
Ive never commented on any country since this concept doesnt depend on countries (I even spend a paragraph trying to explain this to ya xD)
I couldnt care if its Germany that does it, or if its Russia, or Saudi. I will always critique a government misusing esports for their interest. Even if I agree with their cause.
Esports is not a toy for them to play with. It hasnt been yet and I would like to keep it that way.
I will, and have, critique any cases I come across of governments trying to misuse esports.
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#46]When the money comes from the Saudi Arabian government then yeah so do I
people are more upset by hearing someone say "retard" than the whole saudi situation is a testament to the younger generation
Harapan845 [#52]she killed herself after being forced to return there and driven to suicide and they VIOLATE human rights and you said that's just a point of view if that's bad
No one forced him to return are you stupid
Targu1n [#54]How he or you view Saudi isnt relevant for sportswashing.
Think of this as a far more fundamental thing.Its a concept. And he talks about it.
If Germany does it, its be bad. If the USA does it, its be bad. Any country misusing sports for their political interest is bad.
Esports hasnt been largely removed from the political machine so far, with Saudi being the first big scale example of governments abusing esports to try and better their image with the youth.
Saudi isnt first china been in it
Rocky54 [#59]No one forced him to return are you stupid
ignore the human rights huh. her parents basically forced her to return home and detransition
Rocky54 [#55]You right about that but you know what your country and United State is targeting the same group wish is houtis in yemen wish they listed them as terrorists
I know that and I never once said they weren't
You however are trying to defend Saudi Arabia and deny the fact that it inflicts some of the most suffering on people out of any country today, up there with China, Russia and North Korea
Rocky54 [#60]Saudi isnt first china been in it
because Chinese company chinese gov (it is a problem tho)
Harapan845 [#62]ignore the human rights huh. her parents basically forced her to return home and detransition
Just because you view transgender is human right it doesn’t mean its humanright some countries believe its mental illness
Rocky54 [#65]Just because you view transgender is human right it doesn’t mean its humanright some countries believe its mental illness
read the fucking link you idiot not once did I say the human rights were the same as the transgender comment
Rocky54 [#60]Saudi isnt first china been in it
We have very little reason to believe china has been using sportwashing to a comparable scale
However yes China is concerning in that regard, even if it isnt anywhere as clear, due to their governmental structure.
We dont know how much the government is involved or not (in fact theyve made a ton of laws to dissuade gaming as a whole, so the whole thing becomes more and more muddied)
But yes 100% valid to be worried about them when it comes to sportswashing too^^
If they start trying to actively use it to better their image globally then it needs to be called out right away, and being cautious (due to their success in some of the biggest titles) is good.
Harapan845 [#64]because Chinese company chinese gov (it is a problem tho)
Tencent wish they own riot any game they wanna develop they gotta got approved by the government stright up ties with them do some research stupid
Harapan845 [#67]read the fucking link you idiot not once did I say the human rights were the same as the transgender comment
He killed him self that’s a grown person retard
sklein [#69]take it if grant of salt but to my information, falcons dropped their T2 roster because it came to their information that they wouldn't be let into VCT even if the roster won
Unfathomably based of Riot if true
Rocky54 [#70]Tencent wish they own riot any game they wanna develop they gotta got approved by the government stright up ties with them do some research stupid
mmmh huh i know china is bad and I know tencent own riot
Rocky54 [#71]He killed him self that’s a grown person retard
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman read it
yaotziN_ [#66]SK Gaming!!
The SK Gaming coach coming into a thread denouncing Saudi Arabian sportswashing to promote SK Gaming is unfathomably funny to me for some reason
I read it and its the most retard article ever
Death penalty to prisoners who do crazy crime is is now human right 😭 free speech is literally allowed i speak arabic is stright up retarded take by the west wish go protest in germany about Palestine and Palestine you will get arrested
Lgbtq we believe in islam its the devil work dont bring nothing good to the world cant creat humans only create Disease like monkey pox how is that human right 😂
Rocky54 [#76]I read it and its the most retard article ever
Death penalty to prisoners who do crazy crime is is now human right 😭 free speech is literally allowed i speak arabic is stright up retarded take by the west wish go protest in germany about Palestine and Palestine you will get arrested
Lgbtq we believe in islam its the devil work dont bring nothing good to the world cant creat humans only create Disease like monkey pox how is that human right 😂
protest is a human right
Harapan845 [#77]protest is a human right
so why would you get arrested in Germany and united state and the uk
Rocky54 [#76]I read it and its the most retard article ever
Death penalty to prisoners who do crazy crime is is now human right 😭 free speech is literally allowed i speak arabic is stright up retarded take by the west wish go protest in germany about Palestine and Palestine you will get arrested
Lgbtq we believe in islam its the devil work dont bring nothing good to the world cant creat humans only create Disease like monkey pox how is that human right 😂
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#79]
ok? i dont believe in that in what sense i have to believe in united nations human rights
just because some people said so it doesn't mean is human rights i believe in GOD
the people who can't even stop isreal from doing war crimes
Rocky54 [#82]ok? i dont believe in that in what sense i have to believe in united nations human rights
just because some people said so it doesn't mean is human rights i believe in GOD
the people who can't even stop isreal from doing war crimes
aye man well done you admitted it good job
Rocky54 [#82]ok? i dont believe in that in what sense i have to believe in united nations human rights
just because some people said so it doesn't mean is human rights i believe in GOD
the people who can't even stop isreal from doing war crimes
"I don't believe in the legal definition of human rights therefore Saudi Arabia did nothing wrong"
Ok bro
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#84]"I don't believe in the legal definition of human rights therefore Saudi Arabia did nothing wrong"
Ok bro
bro complained that the rioters in the UK got arrested kek
capital_d_colon [#80]Unless riot changes their stances it seems unlikely they would allow this.
They have blocked the falcons from buying into the LEC.
Falcons have also dropped their tier 2 valorant roster which many speculate was due to the inability to ascend if they won.
buddy they can't even have a stand in human right or talk about they stright up owned by tencent do you understand. a Percentage that come from roit to tencent is probably going to Chinese government wish is Committing war crimes crimes
Riot is the scumy company try to play the good guy
Rocky54 [#86]buddy they can't even have a stand in human right or talk about they stright up owned by tencent do you understand. a Percentage that come from roit to tencent is probably going to Chinese government wish is Committing war crimes crimes
Riot is the scumy company try to play the good guy
"probably"
capital_d_colon [#80]Unless riot changes their stances it seems unlikely they would allow this.
They have blocked the falcons from buying into the LEC.
Falcons have also dropped their tier 2 valorant roster which many speculate was due to the inability to ascend if they won.
buddy they can't even have a stand in human right or talk about they stright up owned by tencent do you understand. a Percentage that come from roit to tencent is probably going to Chinese government wish is Committing war crimes crimes
Riot is the scumy company try to play the good guy
But im tired if typing you believe what you believe I believe what I believe and the end of the day everyone gonna die and get judged by god
Bye 😘
Rocky54 [#89]buddy they can't even have a stand in human right or talk about they stright up owned by tencent do you understand. a Percentage that come from roit to tencent is probably going to Chinese government wish is Committing war crimes crimes
Riot is the scumy company try to play the good guy
But im tired if typing you believe what you believe I believe what I believe and the end of the day everyone gonna die and get judged by god
Bye 😘
see you on judgement day buddy
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#84]"I don't believe in the legal definition of human rights therefore Saudi Arabia did nothing wrong"
Ok bro
It’s literally a person in united nationa said isreal is doing nothing wrong the people who killed more then 40k children why do i have to believe they’re roles as human rights 😂
I think I heard a rumor that they got denied from LEC because they refused to say outright who was pushing money into the org through all the shell companies and other smokescreens. They will still have to disclose that information in 2028 to get into Valorant partnership so it's unlikely that they'll make it a second time around
Rocky54 [#91]It’s literally a person in united nationa said isreal is doing nothing wrong the people who killed more then 40k children why do i have to believe they’re roles as human rights 😂
well October 7th happened and what Israel is doing is considered self defense but I don't personally agree with that
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#22]I hate this line of thinking. Just because you can't address and take a stand on every single example of a moral issue doesn't mean you shouldn't care about any of them. Perfect is the enemy of the good after all.
Besides, the only other example of this I can think of that's comparable is China and their massive influence in esports but even then that's not the same thing as what Saudi Arabia is doing
look youre right and this and that but i wouldnt waste my time doing this since even if your thread gets popular enough to be talked by people outside vlr, half of those people would still not care about a Saudi team getting in
Harapan845 [#93]well October 7th happened and what Israel is doing is considered self defense but I don't personally agree with that
blud think oct7 is the day it started im done 😭 i can't argue with stupid people man im out
Rocky54 [#95]blud think oct7 is the day it started im done 😭 i can't argue with stupid people man im out
never said it started it. started with Sykes-Picot. October 7th signaled a ramp up in aggression by Israel rather than the start blud
Harapan845 [#98]never said it started it. started with Sykes-Picot. October 7th signaled a ramp up in aggression by Israel rather than the start blud
or when 3 religions designated Jerusalem as the main/important point of their religion
Harapan845 [#99]or when 3 religions designated Jerusalem as the main/important point of their religion
if you think killinng 40k children is defending yourself then go check yourself st the hospital
Rocky54 [#100]if you think killinng 40k children is defending yourself then go check yourself st the hospital
i said i did not personally agree with that
pulchi [#96]from what i know the reason Falcons dropped their roster before ascension was because of Riot blocking them from having the chance to go Tier 1 in either val or league because of the whole suadi shit
i would like to think they wouldnt go back on this decision but who knows
I would hope so too but knowing Falcons they'll probably just start throwing more and more money from their bottomless oil money pit at Riot until it'd be stupid to say no, but I'm really hoping that doesn't happen
Splaram [#92]I think I heard a rumor that they got denied from LEC because they refused to say outright who was pushing money into the org through all the shell companies and other smokescreens. They will still have to disclose that information in 2028 to get into Valorant partnership so it's unlikely that they'll make it a second time around
Thank fuck
my-dad-ate-my-toes [#75]The SK Gaming coach coming into a thread denouncing Saudi Arabian sportswashing to promote SK Gaming is unfathomably funny to me for some reason
SK gaming is an very good org though, quite wealthy, huge followership in Germany (atleast in comparison to other german orgs), quite advanced in League and is interested at the wellbeing of the players and the staff
Rocky54 [#100]if you think killinng 40k children is defending yourself then go check yourself st the hospital
bro wtf r u dumb, israel killed 20k terrorist and 20k other ppl (not only childs) and its a URBAN war so the ratio 1:1 is better than any war ever had (for Example US war in Iraq had more civilian deaths than Gaza in comparison) learn to read b4 u spread fake news
Huitzilopochtli [#108]bro wtf r u dumb, israel killed 20k terrorist and 20k other ppl (not only childs) and its a URBAN war so the ratio 1:1 is better than any war ever had (for Example US war in Iraq had more civilian deaths than Gaza in comparison) learn to read b4 u spread fake news
also them numbers are supplied by hamas medical people and they are incentivised to exaggerate
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