Just like Bleed they should remove GE. What is the point of having an Indian org who doesnt want Indians in T1 league? I saw people defending on twitter “Leave GE alone , they need to win”. Any org can be replaced in their place if thats the case.
My solution is remove them from T1 and give South Asia more spots in challengers.
Edit:- People saying “Indians aren't good enough”, yes they aren’t. If the non-indian team isnt even good enough then how would they/you justify picking them?
cloudberry [#2]They're not getting relegated from the league. They're getting terminated as a participating org because they failed to comply with the requirements of being a tier 1 org.
Ya ik but regardless they arent a good org to represent SA .
Oh my god this shithousery again. No indian player has been able to do give eye catching performances in ascension till now, leave alone franchise, but still we want indians in franchise. Bhai, this is not our reservation system where 1 indian is guaranteed to take the place in the team without any talent. Too much opportunities have been given, now let the meritorious players play. Let the academy nurture the talents and bring out good indian players.
Warlordwibz [#4]give
South AsiaOCE more spots in challengers
Give OCE a direct spot in T1 and give more spots to South Asia in Challengers.
Nipstyx [#6]Ya ik but regardless they arent a good org to represent SA .
Perhaps not, but they're very likely to be around at least until contract renewals in 2027 roll around
KClaw [#5]Are u dumb, I am pretty sure Indians on internet are one of the dumbest things out there.
“Are you dumb?”
Give me 1 PROPER reason why GE should be in Franchising.
Sanky [#7]Oh my god this shithousery again. No indian player has been able to do give eye catching performances in ascension till now, leave alone franchise, but still we want indians in franchise. Bhai, this is not our reservation system where 1 indian is guaranteed to take the place in the team without any talent. Too much opportunities have been given, now let the meritorious players play. Let the academy nurture the talents and bring out good indian players.
So why do we need an “Indian org”? Gimme OCE org instead.
I dont care what system exists. There is no point of an Indian org if no Indians are in it. It is plain and simple.
Nipstyx [#8]Give OCE a direct spot in T1 and give more spots to South Asia in Challengers.
Give OCE a direct spot in T1 - agree
give more spots to South Asia Kazakhstan/Mongolia in Challengers.
cloudberry [#9]Perhaps not, but they're very likely to be around at least until contract renewals in 2027 roll around
Bruh no indian org in franchise and indian val is done.
Riot knows that, also ge follow tpa very well from their side.
simo98 [#13]Take a note that the first 10 org got franchise got diff treatment rather than the one got franchise from ascension
It's same situation like EG wanna step down but they not allowed BCS diff rules.
Yes i understand that and you are right. But i mean regardless , they have 0 reason to keep this org. RIOT should be Mandating Indian players in GE else the Val Esports situation in India never grows and the game doesnt grow.
Nipstyx
There aren't even 2 good indian players who can perform on T1 level let alone the whole playing 5
You want GE to waste their money just to entertain yourselves and going out 12th every season
GE 2023 was a good team, 2024 was a below average but a T1 team
Also if you think ge doesn't have a fanbase then you're wrong. Even if it's toxic or not very supportive they pull up good number of viewers on yt if not on twitch because they sign players from multiple countries..
Now imagine if they sign players from Vietnam, oce or Indonesia..
Even if Indians don't support or follow the team, others will
Nipstyx [#10]“Are you dumb?”
Give me 1 PROPER reason why GE should be in Franchising.
Ge gone and indian val done. You think there are orgs in India ready to replace ge??
India as a region is doing everything, 3 splits and off season events with atleast 1 off season event that include t1 team.
Nipstyx [#11]So why do we need an “Indian org”? Gimme OCE org instead.
I dont care what system exists. There is no point of an Indian org if no Indians are in it. It is plain and simple.
We need indan Org to keep indian market alive.
It will take too much time for indian t2 to develop.
Realm3098 [#17]Nipstyx
There aren't even 2 good indian players who can perform on T1 level let alone the whole playing 5
You want GE to waste their money just to entertain yourselves and going out 12th every season
GE 2023 was a good team, 2024 was a below average but a T1 team
Also if you think ge doesn't have a fanbase then you're wrong. Even if it's toxic or not very supportive they pull up good number of viewers on yt if not on twitch because they sign players from multiple countries..
Now imagine if they sign players from Vietnam, oce or Indonesia..
Even if Indians don't support or follow the team, others will
They have wasted money either ways dont you see? Only 1 Indian in 2024 and what did that achieve ?
I get Indians arent good enough, then we dont need this org .
Nipstyx [#8]Give OCE a direct spot in T1 and give more spots to South Asia in Challengers.
Also you think there are oce orgs big enough for franchising????
Not1 [#19]We need indan Org to keep indian market alive.
It will take too much time for indian t2 to develop.
How is this org keeping the Indian market alive? Please elaborate.
Nipstyx [#20]They have wasted money either ways dont you see? Only 1 Indian in 2024 and what did that achieve ?
I get Indians arent good enough, then we dont need this org .
Viewers
Nipstyx [#11]So why do we need an “Indian org”? Gimme OCE org instead.
I dont care what system exists. There is no point of an Indian org if no Indians are in it. It is plain and simple.
Ok, let me tell you why the franchise was formed . Initially it was formed to capture the audience of the region from where the team was picked. In this instance GE. Additionally it was rumored the last place of pacific franchise slot was in contest between ORDER(OCE) and GE(SA), and GE won that spot. Keep in mind ORDER left from Esports after a month or 2 after this, so think whatever you may be. So this is why and how GE came in franchise. Now your argument that GE should be kicked because of "bad performance" and "no regional player in team". The franchise evaluation of a team is not based on the above issues but a team will be re-evaluated and be demoted if they mess up with the things that bleed did, like they didnt pay the employees or whatever they did. I am pretty sure GE will be evaluated sometimes considering they fumbled the bundle sales and maybe performance issues, but not in recent time. + 1 more thing there isnt any massive org in OCE in right now, so why the hell will Riot take the risk of taking a franchise team from OCE.(In my whole heart I want an OCE team though).
Not1 [#15]Bruh no indian org in franchise and indian val is done.
Riot knows that, also ge follow tpa very well from their side.
I mean GE could have a val mobile team in the coming years, so that's one thing to look out for
other than that, even the highest placing indian t2 team had 2 kazakh's that were their best players
Nipstyx [#20]They have wasted money either ways dont you see? Only 1 Indian in 2024 and what did that achieve ?
I get Indians arent good enough, then we dont need this org .
No they didn't..
I don't want to argue with your peanut brain
GE literally signed entire roster with the monyet buyout money and on top of that they had riot money and multiple sponsors..
simo98 [#13]Take a note that the first 10 org got franchise got diff treatment rather than the one got franchise from ascension
It's same situation like EG wanna step down but they not allowed BCS diff rules.
Game doesn't grow?bro the indian playerbase is huge for val India.
Sanky [#24]Ok, let me tell you why the franchise was formed . Initially it was formed to capture the audience of the region from where the team was picked. In this instance GE. Additionally it was rumored the last place of pacific franchise slot was in contest between ORDER(OCE) and GE(SA), and GE won that spot. Keep in mind ORDER left from Esports after a month or 2 after this, so think whatever you may be. So this is why and how GE came in franchise. Now your argument that GE should be kicked because of "bad performance" and "no regional player in team". The franchise evaluation of a team is not based on the above issues but a team will be re-evaluated and be demoted if they mess up with the things that bleed did, like they didnt pay the employees or whatever they did. I am pretty sure GE will be evaluated sometimes considering they fumbled the bundle sales and maybe performance issues, but not in recent time. + 1 more thing there isnt any massive org in OCE in right now, so why the hell will Riot take the risk of taking a franchise team from OCE.(In my whole heart I want an OCE team though).
i get the point that GE got the franchising spot differently. As Leo said some months earlier , these teams will also get re-evaluated. They should do this earlier.
definitioNvlrt [#31]viewers?? tf you mean
VCL SA peak 200 view
Talm bout vcl sa bro goddamn it dont even reach the SLIGHTEST of 800-1000 viewers
UNLESS you count those in a venue
Bro y'all are one of the dumbest people on this site
Dude if that's the case then fucking KC and TH were dogshit in 2023 and made terrible rosters, but what happened in 2024? TH became one of the best teams in VCT and KC even won a regional tournament.
For what we know, GE could even make Champs in 2025, who knows? Your whole point of 'relegate team cuz they shit' just invalidates what Riot wants to do, which is create sustainability, and GE follow the TPA rules well and have a sizeable fanbase that is good enough for a tier 1 org. They're not gonna relegate franchised teams like that buddy 💀
Nipstyx [#6]Ya ik but regardless they arent a good org to represent SA .
Name a SA org who can replace them
Just incase if you don't follow valo let me tell you
Enigma was playing challengers league in sg/my
Not vlt decided to play challengers in Philippines
GE, VLT and ENG are the only orgs to represent SA in vct 2021 and vct 2022
wololo___ [#32]Talm bout vcl sa bro goddamn it dont even reach the SLIGHTEST of 800-1000 viewers
UNLESS you count those in a venue
ONLY 1000 VIEWERS PEAK??? DAMN
definitioNvlrt [#35]ONLY 1000 VIEWERS PEAK??? DAMN
and does it count the few outside of vcl sa? how in the shit would i know
And remember this is VCL SA not GE
Tsikhamani [#34]Name a SA org who can replace them
Just incase if you don't follow valo let me tell you
Enigma was playing challengers league in sg/my
Not vlt decided to play challengers in Philippines
GE, VLT and ENG are the only orgs to represent SA in vct 2021 and vct 2022
Look i lm not even saying GE should be replaced by an Indian org. If any top Org is willing to support Indian players then that will be a good replacement.
If not then give some other region a chance!
definitioNvlrt [#35]ONLY 1000 VIEWERS PEAK??? DAMN
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-2024-south-asia-split-2-valorant
ninjaturtle [#33]Bro y'all are one of the dumbest people on this site
Dude if that's the case then fucking KC and TH were dogshit in 2023 and made terrible rosters, but what happened in 2024? TH became one of the best teams in VCT and KC even won a regional tournament.
For what we know, GE could even make Champs in 2025, who knows? Your whole point of 'relegate team cuz they shit' just invalidates what Riot wants to do, which is create sustainability, and GE follow the TPA rules well and have a sizeable fanbase that is good enough for a tier 1 org. They're not gonna relegate franchised teams like that buddy 💀
Lmao the one with the dumb opinion is you xd
GE doesnt win either ways! Are you seriously comparing KC and TH performances to GE? If this org performed with all these players from different regions then the case would have been different.
They had Monyet and texture! Couldnt utilise them.
definitioNvlrt [#40]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-challengers-2024-indonesia-split-2-valorant indo got a lot of viewers than SA
I'm not comparing bro... I'm just showing vcl sa gets more viewership than 1k lol
Realm3098 [#42]I'm not comparing bro... I'm just showing vcl sa gets more viewership than 1k lol
ohh okay
Nipstyx [#37]Look i lm not even saying GE should be replaced by an Indian org. If any top Org is willing to support Indian players then that will be a good replacement.
If not then give some other region a chance!
Literally one one would be “willing” to support Indian players
Nipstyx [#22]How is this org keeping the Indian market alive? Please elaborate.
Bro you think there is any indian team ready to win ascension?
Once no indian org left to watch at t1 level, it will be over
People don't watch vcl sa but watch ge games because they get to see indian org at t1 level.
Binks watchparty get average view of 1.5-2k when he stream emea region.
When it's global epsorts matches , it hits 10k
Which shows that india viewer mostly care about ge.
Also look at th watch party. Alot of them are not ge fans but they still go to see indian org at such big level
Nipstyx [#41]Lmao the one with the dumb opinion is you xd
GE doesnt win either ways! Are you seriously comparing KC and TH performances to GE? If this org performed with all these players from different regions then the case would have been different.
They had Monyet and texture! Couldnt utilise them.
Bhai chutiya wutiya hai kya tu , akal nahi hai tere me kya, bhai brain dead hai tu legit
Nipstyx [#37]Look i lm not even saying GE should be replaced by an Indian org. If any top Org is willing to support Indian players then that will be a good replacement.
If not then give some other region a chance!
SA's valo is better than OCE and VIT's bro,
You seriously think that a org which is pulling nearly around 6k viewers should be replaced by a different region with less identity?
Riot will never do that brother!!
Warlordwibz [#12]Give OCE a direct spot in T1 - agree
give more spots toSouth AsiaKazakhstan/Mongolia in Challengers.
Kaza is a part of EMEA not pacific
Mangolia, seriously??
Tsikhamani [#44]All the 10 teams in franchising are representing pacific region not a particular country, take this shit in your head
According to your logic DFM should be 1st team to go because the number of matches they won in 2 years is just 2 and bleed alone lost to GE twice in the same year.
Ahaha DFM is an org that believes in their region . And i support them.
Nipstyx [#30]i get the point that GE got the franchising spot differently. As Leo said some months earlier , these teams will also get re-evaluated. They should do this earlier.
Why tf will they do it earlier, when literally there is no operational issues, payment issues? The performance issue is there but they are trying good this year. If you want to demote because of their performance, then DFM, BBL, KOI ,Giants all will be demoted or if you want them to demote beccause they dont have representation from the region they represent then heretics, KOI, Giants , KC , Vitality, they will also need to get demoted.
Nipstyx [#51]Ahaha DFM is an org that believes in their region . And i support them.
Classic L
Speak about the performance bro
Tsikhamani [#53]Classic L
Speak about the performance bro
Bhai yeh hamare desh ke log itne gajab level ke chutiye kaise hai pata nahi
Sanky [#52]Why tf will they do it earlier, when literally there is no operational issues, payment issues? The performance issue is there but they are trying good this year. If you want to demote because of their performance, then DFM, BBL, KOI ,Giants all will be demoted or if you want them to demote beccause they dont have representation from the region they represent then heretics, KOI, Giants , KC , Vitality, they will also need to get demoted.
Oh yes , didnt think about the logistical issues. You are right.
definitioNvlrt [#43]ohh okay
Vcl sa dont get much views because of low quality val.
Most of Indian audience only watch t1 val.
You will see very good numbers during ge games
Sanky [#29]Game doesn't grow?bro the indian playerbase is huge for val India.
And it is NOT because of GE bro.
KClaw [#48]Bhai chutiya wutiya hai kya tu , akal nahi hai tere me kya, bhai brain dead hai tu legit
Calling me braindead doesnt make your opinion better xd.
KClaw [#54]Bhai yeh hamare desh ke log itne gajab level ke chutiye kaise hai pata nahi
Ah yes a person who wants his country’s players proper platform to grow is a “chutiya” . Good insult there brother
Nipstyx [#57]And it is NOT because of GE bro.
An org never dictates the playerbase bro.. The ratio between casual players and players who follow esports is like 6:1.,and I am not speculating this. Earlier yesterday Anna said Val has hit 35m playerbase, and now compare it with the most watched final or take the most watch tourney of Val.. Its more than 6:1 . So yeah Indian playerbase is huge not bcoz of GE agreed, but that shouldn't be the case too. People play the game bcoz they like the game not bcoz their fav esports team is playing the game.
Nipstyx [#59]Ah yes a person who wants his country’s players proper platform to grow is a “chutiya” . Good insult there brother
Bro the players u talk about are majorly 75% lazy asses who don't want to practice 15 hours a day cause our region is bad , even if GE gets 5 Indian players and Indian coach and now tho u all say we will support fully, when the season ends with prolly the worst ever stats in the history of vct for a team, then u all will start so heavy shitting on them like u did for Rossy resulting in complete mental drain, also giving more VCL slots while taking away franchise slot won't result in progress, ur logical reasoning is shit bro. If u said that maybe VCL SA should be grouped together in a singular VCL with other regions like how riot is doing for philipines, Thailand and some other regions then I could have agreed but this won't work what u r saying
Nipstyx [#59]Ah yes a person who wants his country’s players proper platform to grow is a “chutiya” . Good insult there brother
u are not him brother
Nipstyx [#10]“Are you dumb?”
Give me 1 PROPER reason why GE should be in Franchising.
Give me reason why they shouldnt. If they have proved riot they should be their our views dont matter at all here.
Nipstyx [#41]Lmao the one with the dumb opinion is you xd
GE doesnt win either ways! Are you seriously comparing KC and TH performances to GE? If this org performed with all these players from different regions then the case would have been different.
They had Monyet and texture! Couldnt utilise them.
How can you say that they won't win either way before the season? They could be making a good roster, who knows? Partnership is about creating a sustainable environment for the Esport to grow, and if GE gets relegated, that basically stunts the growth and interest of Valorant in India which is, contrary to popular belief, where a lot of the views come, so why on Earth would Riot relegate GE unless they do something shady or don't follow the TPA rules which they do really well by the way. You're just spewing nonsense...
SarcoBoy11 [#66]dont see manchester united or real madrid fans crying about their teams not employing 11 english/spanish players lol
I mean dont get me wrong I would love Indians to play in VCT, but if they can't "pass the entrance test" (trials) and rely on "reservation quota" (Indian org so should have indian player mentality) then we prolly dont deserve to even exist as a region in VCT.
I'd rather wait 2 years and let them develop 5 Indian quality players in their academy then force bad players who will just end up getting bullied online by the whole wide world.
SarcoBoy11 [#67]I mean dont get me wrong I would love Indians to play in VCT, but if they can't "pass the entrance test" (trials) and rely on "reservation quota" (Indian org so should have indian player mentality) then we prolly dont deserve to even exist as a region in VCT.
I'd rather wait 2 years and let them develop 5 Indian quality players in their academy then force bad players who will just end up getting bullied online by the whole wide world.
How exactly will the talent develop?
Lets see what the non indian team does . I am sure they wont even make playoffs. If the non indian team isnt even good enough then how would they/you justify picking them?
Nipstyx [#69]How exactly will the talent develop?
Lets see what the non indian team does . I am sure they wont even make playoffs. If the non indian team isnt even good enough then how would they/you justify picking them?
Our 5-man Indian roaster failed to win a single split/trophy in the last 2 seasons and we at least need 1-2 imports to carry us to ascension
Nipstyx [#59]Ah yes a person who wants his country’s players proper platform to grow is a “chutiya” . Good insult there brother
Before franchising, our top2 teams were allowed to play in APAC and grab a slot to master champs and we failed to make it out of groups and you still wanna try this method?
We a slot in pacific is good for our region togrow but Indian players are lazy as fuck to prac hard for the matches
Tsikhamani [#50]Kaza is a part of EMEA not pacific
Mangolia, seriously??
wdym mongolia seriously hhahaha
"mangolia" is a far better region and has far better talents
Anzaldinho [#73]wdym mongolia seriously hhahaha
"mangolia" is a far better region and has far better talents
Okay!
Any Mongolian players to watch out in T1 or T2?
Nipstyx [#37]Look i lm not even saying GE should be replaced by an Indian org. If any top Org is willing to support Indian players then that will be a good replacement.
If not then give some other region a chance!
Not going to India market that may be the biggest in 2035 sounds a bad moove to Riot.
But I agree should go full Inidian even if they end with 0 win the fist 5 years
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