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is madrid a mickey mouse
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idkmanwth [#4]i see fnatic haters in here, damn
nah, tokyo isnt mickey mouse
its only lock in and has nothing to do with FNC, even if LOUD won I would still call it mickey mouse
BulkyLettuce [#2]no, the only mickey mouse is lock in because of single elim
riot themselves knew that shit was mickey mouse thats why they never did it again lmao
not even the mickey mouse paper rex won :/
BulkyLettuce [#5]nah, tokyo isnt mickey mouse
its only lock in and has nothing to do with FNC, even if LOUD won I would still call it mickey mouse
lock in so mickey mouse even prx couldnt win
BulkyLettuce [#5]nah, tokyo isnt mickey mouse
its only lock in and has nothing to do with FNC, even if LOUD won I would still call it mickey mouse
Lock in was a mickey mouse and tokyo was a fluke
EG true 2023 best team.
Aayan [#9]No, the best teams(ish) at the time qualified and roughly placed accordingly
loud begs to differ
Azzelastia [#10]Lock in was a mickey mouse and tokyo was a fluke
EG true 2023 best team.
least biased NA fan
idkmanwth [#8]lock in so mickey mouse even prx couldnt win
are you slow? single elim is mickey mouse bc of luck, double elim is the only real format
BulkyLettuce [#13]are you slow? single elim is mickey mouse bc of luck, double elim is the only real format
single elim isnt mickey its harder, shows which teams can consistently win, just because you hate fnatic doesnt mean you can say they were lucky
jonny05 [#7]not even the mickey mouse paper rex won :/
i mean yea, single elim is luck
double elim is the only real format
idkmanwth [#14]single elim isnt mickey its harder, shows which teams can consistently win, just because you hate fnatic doesnt mean you can say they were lucky
in double elim the most consistent team wins, in single elim the luckiest team wins
hell_on_earth [#11]loud begs to differ
that's why I said ish
but even then, would you not have put loud at least top 3 during kick off?
all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.
BulkyLettuce [#18]in double elim the most consistent team wins, in single elim the luckiest team wins
guess who doesnt win?? prx
idkmanwth [#20]guess who doesnt win?? prx
dont know why i can never have a normal convo with indian flags, so weird to me
perma bringing up flairs and never talking about the topic at hand
BulkyLettuce [#21]dont know why i can never have a normal convo with indian flags, so weird to me
perma bringing up flairs and never talking about the topic at hand
so sorry your peanut brain had to resort to bringing in my flag in the convo, plus everyone on this site knows youre a baiter so none of your convo are normal
Aayan [#19]that's why I said ish
but even then, would you not have put loud at least top 3 during kick off?
all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.
all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.
which is exactly why it was a mickey lol
berrys [#24]no tournament is "micky mouse" idk why people keep saying this
exactly lol, sen were the dominant team then, they deserved to win
sergueiessenine [#25]all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.
which is exactly why it was a mickey lol
I think we just have a different understanding of the term 'mickey mouse'
to me it's mickey mouse if: teams that aren't good at the time (relative to everyone else) are present.
why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.
correct me if my interpretation of what you're saying is wrong
Aayan [#28]I think we just have a different understanding of the term 'mickey mouse'
to me it's mickey mouse if: teams that aren't good at the time (relative to everyone else) are present.
why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.
correct me if my interpretation of what you're saying is wrong
why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.
pretty much yeah. i mean it's hard to take that event seriously when the winner cant even qualify/struggles to qualify to subsequent events. there were too little teams for my liking too
sergueiessenine [#29]why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.
pretty much yeah. i mean it's hard to take that event seriously when the winner cant even qualify/struggles to qualify to subsequent events. there were too little teams for my liking too
But if you subscribe to that logic, every single first tournament is and always will be a mickey mouse, because the teams that do well at the start, outside of say the top 3 rarely maintain their form for the rest of the year as other teams catch up/meta changes. Are you willing to say with 100% certainty that every masters 1 will be mickey mouse?
BulkyLettuce [#17]double elim rewards consistency, single elim is all luck
luck in 5 back to back series? maybe you should learn about probability before commenting stupid shit
Azzelastia [#10]Lock in was a mickey mouse and tokyo was a fluke
EG true 2023 best team.
least retarded int flagger
Aayan [#31]But if you subscribe to that logic, every single first tournament is and always will be a mickey mouse, because the teams that do well at the start, outside of say the top 3 rarely maintain their form for the rest of the year as other teams catch up/meta changes. Are you willing to say with 100% certainty that every masters 1 will be mickey mouse?
Are you willing to say with 100% certainty that every masters 1 will be mickey mouse?
yeah im fine with that
zhongZHI [#23]yea
only 8 teams.
start of year lots of new rosters
sen had most time to actually play with their roster in off season and shit.
last years powerhouses either split up or were falling off.
def one of the more fraudulent events but still credits to sen for winning. shame they cant back it up
"only 8 teams. start of year lots of new rosters"
they will keep this format btw so i guess every 1st masters of the year will be "mickey mouse" according to you. But if EDG win Masters Bangkok which is the same format as Masters Madrid then it isnt mickey mouse correct?
ValAnalist [#40]Mickey mouse is kick off and stage 1. The teams who are new aren't ready to compete against teams with same roster as last year.
they will keep the same format for kick off and stage 1 coming into 2025 so i guess every start of the year is mickey mouse then
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2025/Americas_League/Kickoff
BulkyLettuce [#42]they will keep the same format for kick off and stage 1 coming into 2025 so i guess every start of the year is mickey mouse then
https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2025/Americas_League/Kickoff
Kick off is the ultimate mickey mouse bro, stage 1 you can put some value, but the peak is stage 2. All teams are ready to play at they best. Masters isnt Mickey mouse through, because are the best teams at the moment against each other, but regionals are all mickey mouse.
ValAnalist [#43]Kick off is the ultimate mickey mouse bro, stage 1 you can put some value, but the peak is stage 2. All teams are ready to play at they best. Masters isnt Mickey mouse through, because are the best teams at the moment against each other, but regionals are all mickey mouse.
I don't get why all regionals are mickey mouse. Whoever wins the regionals has a higher seed, which is a huge advantage
tserc [#44]I don't get why all regionals are mickey mouse. Whoever wins the regionals has a higher seed, which is a huge advantage
Because the team who won regionals in beggining of the year, arent the best team overral. they just have advatange over team who changed the roster. Think about Sentinels, i dont think they will have a great kick off and even a great stage 1. The roster just losted two importants players, so they need rebuild the team. And think about LEVIATAN or even G2. They have a lot time advantage, beucase they dont change they roster yet. So the team who win kickoff is most likely the team who maintain the same roster.
Thats why this is a mickey mouse.
No tournament is mickey mouse. Why do people even consider Masters Madrid and Lock In as mickey mouse? Masters Madrid - the best teams at that time got there according to the rules, so why should it be a low-ranking tournament? Lock In was the biggest tournament so far, all franchise teams took part there, the best team at the time, Fnatic, won and people have nothing to doubt here.
DSGFan [#30]On behalf of PRX fans, I'm sorry that you have to deal with this user.
also on behalf of all PRX fans, we don't claim this guy. He's got like 10% of a point and then ran with it
Blurek [#46]No tournament is mickey mouse. Why do people even consider Masters Madrid and Lock In as mickey mouse? Masters Madrid - the best teams at that time got there according to the rules, so why should it be a low-ranking tournament? Lock In was the biggest tournament so far, all franchise teams took part there, the best team at the time, Fnatic, won and people have nothing to doubt here.
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ValAnalist [#45]Because the team who won regionals in beggining of the year, arent the best team overral. they just have advatange over team who changed the roster. Think about Sentinels, i dont think they will have a great kick off and even a great stage 1. The roster just losted two importants players, so they need rebuild the team. And think about LEVIATAN or even G2. They have a lot time advantage, beucase they dont change they roster yet. So the team who win kickoff is most likely the team who maintain the same roster.
Thats why this is a mickey mouse.
how does keeping a roster core together mean it's a Mickey mouse. You just typed out an entire paragraph for it to not make sense
BulkyLettuce [#39]"only 8 teams. start of year lots of new rosters"
they will keep this format btw so i guess every 1st masters of the year will be "mickey mouse" according to you. But if EDG win Masters Bangkok which is the same format as Masters Madrid then it isnt mickey mouse correct?
Imagine a new meta kicks in with new agents and only 8 teams who have no idea how to play it professionally just play each other like a ranked game. If there's atleast 12 teams, more games and more time to improve gameplay. 8 is just mickey and we all know 1st tournament of the year doesn't mean shit.
Overall answer: No
But are you asking about tournament itself or SEN's run?
For the tournament itself the qualifier (Kickoff) was questionable (single elim playoffs is trash), but there was a double elim group stage and play-ins.
For SEN's (or any other winning team) run there is a simple test: Can you reasonably name any other team in the world that was better at the time?
For that the answer is a clear No.
Blurek [#46]No tournament is mickey mouse. Why do people even consider Masters Madrid and Lock In as mickey mouse? Masters Madrid - the best teams at that time got there according to the rules, so why should it be a low-ranking tournament? Lock In was the biggest tournament so far, all franchise teams took part there, the best team at the time, Fnatic, won and people have nothing to doubt here.
No tournament is mickey mouse
Wrong.
Short version: Everyone playing according to the rules doesn't guarantee competitive integrity - it's literally the most basic requirement that you don't cheat and have rules that apply to everyone equally. A tournament with high competitive integrity will have a format that is designed to select for the best team.
Long version : (Allat warning) https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great
ValAnalist [#45]Because the team who won regionals in beggining of the year, arent the best team overral. they just have advatange over team who changed the roster. Think about Sentinels, i dont think they will have a great kick off and even a great stage 1. The roster just losted two importants players, so they need rebuild the team. And think about LEVIATAN or even G2. They have a lot time advantage, beucase they dont change they roster yet. So the team who win kickoff is most likely the team who maintain the same roster.
Thats why this is a mickey mouse.
But Sentinels weren’t the same exact team from the previous year, they changed out 2 of their players just like how Lev changed 3 of their players, and they were still competitive with the rest of the competition early on in Kick-Off. It probably boils down to how much preparation they do in the off season since Sen by far did the most off-season tournaments relative to the rest of the Americas teams last year.
BulkyLettuce [#2]no, the only mickey mouse is lock in because of single elim
riot themselves knew that shit was mickey mouse thats why they never did it again lmao
True
Roly05 [#47]also on behalf of all PRX fans, we don't claim this guy. He's got like 10% of a point and then ran with it
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DSGFan [#59]?
I meant to concur with your point - he does have part of a point in the fact that I do much prefer double elim over single elim. Doesn't mean single elim isn't much harder though - I definitely don't think Lock // In was a mickey mouse. (I don't think any tournaments are mickey mouse, but I don't think very many people agree with me.)
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