is madrid a mickey mouse

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yayray

type yes or no. need to know to see peoples thoughts

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no, the only mickey mouse is lock in because of single elim

riot themselves knew that shit was mickey mouse thats why they never did it again lmao

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not even the mickey mouse paper rex won :/

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i mean yea, single elim is luck

double elim is the only real format

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sure buddy

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double elim rewards consistency, single elim is all luck

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K2215

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luck in 5 back to back series? maybe you should learn about probability before commenting stupid shit

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On behalf of PRX fans, I'm sorry that you have to deal with this user.

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also on behalf of all PRX fans, we don't claim this guy. He's got like 10% of a point and then ran with it

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?

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I meant to concur with your point - he does have part of a point in the fact that I do much prefer double elim over single elim. Doesn't mean single elim isn't much harder though - I definitely don't think Lock // In was a mickey mouse. (I don't think any tournaments are mickey mouse, but I don't think very many people agree with me.)

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Azzelastia

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True

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Azzelastia

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Lock in was a mickey mouse

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idkmanwth

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i see fnatic haters in here, damn

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BulkyLettuce

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nah, tokyo isnt mickey mouse

its only lock in and has nothing to do with FNC, even if LOUD won I would still call it mickey mouse

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lock in so mickey mouse even prx couldnt win

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are you slow? single elim is mickey mouse bc of luck, double elim is the only real format

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single elim isnt mickey its harder, shows which teams can consistently win, just because you hate fnatic doesnt mean you can say they were lucky

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in double elim the most consistent team wins, in single elim the luckiest team wins

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guess who doesnt win?? prx

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dont know why i can never have a normal convo with indian flags, so weird to me

perma bringing up flairs and never talking about the topic at hand

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so sorry your peanut brain had to resort to bringing in my flag in the convo, plus everyone on this site knows youre a baiter so none of your convo are normal

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Azzelastia

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Lock in was a mickey mouse and tokyo was a fluke
EG true 2023 best team.

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least biased NA fan

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least retarded int flagger

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i really liked madrid honestly i dont think it was mickey mouse.

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Aayan

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No, the best teams(ish) at the time qualified and roughly placed accordingly

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loud begs to differ

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Aayan

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that's why I said ish
but even then, would you not have put loud at least top 3 during kick off?
all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.

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all of the current top teams (except SEN) were in their infancy roster wise, with very little practice.

which is exactly why it was a mickey lol

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Aayan

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I think we just have a different understanding of the term 'mickey mouse'

to me it's mickey mouse if: teams that aren't good at the time (relative to everyone else) are present.

why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.
correct me if my interpretation of what you're saying is wrong

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why you are saying it's mickey mouse: if the teams that are good on average for the whole year aren't present, then it's mickey mouse.

pretty much yeah. i mean it's hard to take that event seriously when the winner cant even qualify/struggles to qualify to subsequent events. there were too little teams for my liking too

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But if you subscribe to that logic, every single first tournament is and always will be a mickey mouse, because the teams that do well at the start, outside of say the top 3 rarely maintain their form for the rest of the year as other teams catch up/meta changes. Are you willing to say with 100% certainty that every masters 1 will be mickey mouse?

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Are you willing to say with 100% certainty that every masters 1 will be mickey mouse?

yeah im fine with that

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zhongZHI

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yea

only 8 teams.

start of year lots of new rosters

sen had most time to actually play with their roster in off season and shit.

last years powerhouses either split up or were falling off.

def one of the more fraudulent events but still credits to sen for winning. shame they cant back it up

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"only 8 teams. start of year lots of new rosters"

they will keep this format btw so i guess every 1st masters of the year will be "mickey mouse" according to you. But if EDG win Masters Bangkok which is the same format as Masters Madrid then it isnt mickey mouse correct?

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Imagine a new meta kicks in with new agents and only 8 teams who have no idea how to play it professionally just play each other like a ranked game. If there's atleast 12 teams, more games and more time to improve gameplay. 8 is just mickey and we all know 1st tournament of the year doesn't mean shit.

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berrys

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no tournament is "micky mouse" idk why people keep saying this

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idkmanwth

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exactly lol, sen were the dominant team then, they deserved to win

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Congo1

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rejkjavik 2 for sure is

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ALoKi007

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Lil kiddo just want's attention. You can refer to the 1001 threads created on this topic 💀

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ninjaturtle

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No tournament is a 'mickey mouse' tournament but y'all aren't ready for that conversation.

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Yes 100%

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No internationals are Mickey Mouse. Teams can fall off after but it doesn’t mean they are. Teams may not have been supposed to win like FNC in Lock In or Acend in Champs but that doesn’t mean it’s Mickey Mouse.

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Mickey mouse is kick off and stage 1. The teams who are new aren't ready to compete against teams with same roster as last year.

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BulkyLettuce

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they will keep the same format for kick off and stage 1 coming into 2025 so i guess every start of the year is mickey mouse then

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2025/Americas_League/Kickoff

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ValAnalist

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Kick off is the ultimate mickey mouse bro, stage 1 you can put some value, but the peak is stage 2. All teams are ready to play at they best. Masters isnt Mickey mouse through, because are the best teams at the moment against each other, but regionals are all mickey mouse.

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tserc

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I don't get why all regionals are mickey mouse. Whoever wins the regionals has a higher seed, which is a huge advantage

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ValAnalist

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Because the team who won regionals in beggining of the year, arent the best team overral. they just have advatange over team who changed the roster. Think about Sentinels, i dont think they will have a great kick off and even a great stage 1. The roster just losted two importants players, so they need rebuild the team. And think about LEVIATAN or even G2. They have a lot time advantage, beucase they dont change they roster yet. So the team who win kickoff is most likely the team who maintain the same roster.
Thats why this is a mickey mouse.

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hdeqth

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how does keeping a roster core together mean it's a Mickey mouse. You just typed out an entire paragraph for it to not make sense

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CookieMania

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But Sentinels weren’t the same exact team from the previous year, they changed out 2 of their players just like how Lev changed 3 of their players, and they were still competitive with the rest of the competition early on in Kick-Off. It probably boils down to how much preparation they do in the off season since Sen by far did the most off-season tournaments relative to the rest of the Americas teams last year.

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SuperRoss

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No

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Blurek

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No tournament is mickey mouse. Why do people even consider Masters Madrid and Lock In as mickey mouse? Masters Madrid - the best teams at that time got there according to the rules, so why should it be a low-ranking tournament? Lock In was the biggest tournament so far, all franchise teams took part there, the best team at the time, Fnatic, won and people have nothing to doubt here.

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No tournament is mickey mouse

Wrong.

Short version: Everyone playing according to the rules doesn't guarantee competitive integrity - it's literally the most basic requirement that you don't cheat and have rules that apply to everyone equally. A tournament with high competitive integrity will have a format that is designed to select for the best team.

Long version : (Allat warning) https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

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no tourney is a mickey you a goofy idiot if think that.

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justo

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no, there are not any mickey tourneys. each team beats the best teams at the time to win tourneys

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Overall answer: No

But are you asking about tournament itself or SEN's run?

For the tournament itself the qualifier (Kickoff) was questionable (single elim playoffs is trash), but there was a double elim group stage and play-ins.

For SEN's (or any other winning team) run there is a simple test: Can you reasonably name any other team in the world that was better at the time?

For that the answer is a clear No.

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Some threads shouldn't be revived

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ZANEy

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No.

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No Sen earned that tournament it's a shame that lost tenz too

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due to 8 teams and with KC, prx being there? yes. also, china at that time was weak,