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What is limiting PRX?

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#1
AstroGalaxy

Sen won b4 them. GENG won before them, EG beat them in champs, but, how?

Are they chokers? Do they need a new coach?

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laeDLaer
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Comps, jinggs inability to flex, map pool. They’re all connected and a BIG part of their issues. Other than that it’s there’s the issues with old played out Strats and no clear caller to lead the team properly.

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A lot of jinggg haters lately idk why you're blaming jinggg but they've always been dogshit on ascent even without him so idk what you're on about

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laeDLaer
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This is hate? Lol

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Agx192
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Ah yes blaming everything on one guy isn't hate

#23
laeDLaer
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I didn’t blame EVERYTHING on him. Read again mate.

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Agx192
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Yes read it again jinggg was the only name mentioned

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laeDLaer
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Other than that it’s there’s the issues with old played out Strats and no clear caller to lead the team properly.

READ AGAIN MATE

#28
SiwooHaechok
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Sorry some PRX fans see criticism about their favourite player's agent pool and they go crazy

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Agx192
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He isn't the only inflexible player on the team is what I meant

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laeDLaer
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Who else? Mindfreak is smokes player there’s no need for him to flex. Davai plays all imitators and some sentinels, Something plays Reyna, jett, breach, gekko who is a big part of the meta rn and forsaken plays about every single agent in the game. Jingg is the only one who is playing raze only and a useless sage.

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Something is jett/gekko clearly his breach isn't good enough or he would play it on lotus instead of running the comp with jett also jinggg is playing neon "which is a big part of the meta rn" and sage is very viable on icebox and some other maps you're just wrong

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milflover92
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I like PRX, but Jinggg's inability to flex is costing them a lot. He needs to be able to flex initiator OR play every duelist, so something/f0rsaken can make their Jett/Yoru work. This is coming from a big Jinggg fan too, he has incredible talent, he just needs to be able to transfer it to other agents or this team becomes readable on their few good maps.

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Agx192
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Jinggg can play jett but he can't op and if jinggg does become the only duelist they would have another problem of something not playing well on other roles people say he is flexing but pretty only he gekko looked good

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HUMANITYGONE
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Jinggg just played Neon and Clove game before Gen G (against Zeta). Same against RRQ.

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idkmanwth
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prx plays without discipline, hence losing a lot of rounds in the starts, and their inability to bring back those rounds even though they start playing discipline, costs them the match + plus geng is literally the best team itw atm

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mental too partly, esp in bo5 and long bo3s mental plays an even larger part

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butterdog_dogwithdabutter
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they crumble under pressure, too many overpeeks, not disciplined at the height of the moment, think they can outaim everyone when we all know what's been happening the past 3 years

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heavensentsaint
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yeah sometimes they play with no respect to the enemy and its so annoying, against g2 u could tell they thought g2 was the inferior team and just dry swinging everything and using their shitty 2023 strats but g2 were still playing their game

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catNmouse
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was super evident during lotus. then g2 just took advantage of their weak defense on bind

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heavensentsaint
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man g2 had them so well read on bind and shut down all their shitty rushes, ppl love praising aleks(he’s still a good coach) but brother you cannot be using 2023 skye comps and strats in 2024

#54
catNmouse
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yeah skye being nerfed really did affect them now that i think about it

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Their mid rounding is so bad compared to top teams I think. They were getting read by geng every time and even in split 1 were completely read by geng but only won cause they were in better form individually and as a team. And obviously lack of discipline too in advantageous rounds. So many rounds they overpeek or give free avoidable kills to the opponents.

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laeDLaer
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Ofc they don’t have a real igl to mid round them properly. Imagine they had someone like saadhak or boaster. They would’ve won masters and champs by now!!

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bronzil_enjoyer
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sadhaak would be perfect literally he also experiments with different types of comps

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vn888
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absolutely J00ng.

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envyz
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their map pool looks mid and their comps are very bad now, like i get it's PRX but their comps have no solid structure or idea of what it wants to do, it's almost like Alecks asks his players what they want to play on maps and ignores the meta.

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ahdd
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yeah true

#12
laeDLaer
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He’s like a teacher asking the students what they want to do for class lol instead of TEACHING them correct valorant.

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VoiD03
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atp fire alecks. bro has been given plenty of time to do something with this team and every event the shit they cook up is worse than the one before. It just looks like alecks lets the players do whatever they want with the comps and he thinks of strats after

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hzlnuts
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having 2 players with the most largest and smallest agent pool on the same team

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ctabust
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map pool is not in their favor lmfao

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Tsikhamani
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Alecks is the answer!
I give you guys a good example
Nrg last year, adriis was playing sage and killjoy, fns and chet gave him those roles. He was obviously worst but he picked them for the team
And ardiis this year he's playing kayo and breach he's been good the whole year, ange1 and doombros picked him from nrg and out him on these roles
The reason why I picked Ardiis here is because Victor and zyppan are great raze players compared to him and it's coach and igl's responsibility to see the good fit for the team
Here on prx, they don't have an igl so it's coach who should pick what's right and wrong for the team!

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milflover92
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no. Jinggg needs to flex, they need to add depth to their map pool, and they need to stop the W key trolling and play structured valorant ~70% of the time. Some rounds they can go crazy/disrespect enemies, but most rounds they W key and lose to their predictability, and the surprise only comes when it's not the majority of the rounds. Also their map pool allows for teams to study like 4 maps and be good to play PRX.

#42
Tsikhamani
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I never spoke about Jing, was criticizing 'Alecks' for their map pool and not telling Jing to flex

#68
TooCaution_Heartless
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when india educate
we should listen amen

#72
Tsikhamani
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Trying to be sarcastic?

#73
TooCaution_Heartless
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ovethinking?
i said simple word
indian great teacher oni zuka

#20
SleepyBear
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Their own EGO to not give a fuck about coms and think they just better than other that they just useing stupid agent coms / change whenever they want

#21
Trip11
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something just wasn't hitting shots today
a whopping 6 kills in map 2
though I don't think it's a role problem so someone needs to check on the man

#26
Kirya
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Bad macro

#27
Mebi
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Just getting out-read and outaimed today.

Ascent, they are trying to change back to their old comp, and they looked better on defense (with better reads), without a flash on attack (Reyna doesn't count) it was hurting them alot.

For icebox they were just taking duels for no reason. No discipline again on this map. There were some basic strats here and there but GenG's aim was shutting them down.

I'm not sure what other fans feel, but now that GenG has taken the first Pacific trophy I kinda want PRX to continue playing with their own style, not the braindead W gaming but the ones we saw back in Champs last year, really good utility usage, playing as a team, making their weird comps actually work in their favour. Polish up the good parts, keep the mental up, and maybe win (trolling optional). I'm just here to see some fun Valorant.

#44
catNmouse
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champs 2023 was the best iteration of prx

#32
pambisito
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j0nggg

#63
hontonikireidesu
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zeta where?

#70
pambisito
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j0nggg

#38
Fruitless
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{-} mindfreak
{-} foresaken
{+} juicy
{+} egoist

#41
DeyahAlAjarma
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They dont play meta comps-not always a bad thing but theyre meta for a reason
Jinggg and Something cant flex they can play 6 agents between them-most not good in pro play (Raze/Reyna/Sage/Clove and Jett/Reyna/Gekko)
IMO if they want to win they drop either one of these two cause I doubt theyre will ever be a meta where doble duelist will be good on most maps. Getting rid of something would be ideal based on how Forsaken can flex to jett if needed and Raze is way better on most maps regardless

#45
WiNTERRR-
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Something.

#47
saebr
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No

#65
WiNTERRR-
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Yes.

#66
JereS
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Factual information

#46
zeroouki
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shit form

#48
Jihyeok
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Shitty agent pool creates bad maps makes map draft makes them predictable

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frakemonster
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I don't watch PRX and Pacific but i think their problem is adapting to the meta and copying from other teams.

You can't copy everything from other teams and expect to win because the players are different and PRX has a unique style but still if GenG won the last Masters that means they are doing most of the things perfect. I think they should copy some stuff from the "BEST" teams and add their own touch on small things

#51
masterX
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First of all, does prx require a roster changes? If not then change the coach.

I had always thought that PRX should replace "mindfreak" with another controller. But when I think about it, it seems that only mindfreak can be responsible for the controller position in PRX because he has been accustomed and experienced for years with the gameplay of PRX, I doubt if PRX should replace the controller position with another player because it will require a long adaptation time.

#52
KClaw
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1 Their mental is still somehow weak , this has to be addressed, imo they should hire a good sports psychologist like Fnatic has done.

  1. Jinggs inability to flex ( as he thought he was finally gonna retire) and play only raze or sage or pheonix ( which is currently barely playable on the current map pool) but this wasn't their own fault considering that initially monyet was gonna be the player and his agent pool was wider, thus they had already dedicated the entire off season to playing with monyet agent pool where the team has much better flex ability.

  2. Their map pool is also poor because of the same above reason where they prolly had better comps for maps which they currently suck on in the office season with monyet agent pool.

#53
Prontera
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Shitty agent pool & Shitty map pool too. They're only really really good on sunset & split. Trash on others.

Team with more discipline & actual strats always manage to beat them. Even with less firepower ( like g2 )

As much as I like watching them, they only gonna be remembered as an entertaining team. Not gonna win any international trophy. Ever.

#55
Charlie_Bradbury
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Other teams just learned how to counter 'W' gaming, thats about it. Initially everyone was surprised but now they know how to anti it

#56
NowhereToBeFound
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something people don't seem to mention today is that they went for their very comfort picks on both maps despite knowing
A) They've gotten anti stratted on these comps plenty of times before
B) Its against GenG, a team that knows them better than anyone else

despite weeks and multiple matches of experimenting (especially on ascent) various roles and comps.

I'm not someone to huff copium thinking they're "hiding strats", its completely possible that they thought those experiments didnt lead to anything fruitful but its still weird to see them not even trying anything different knowing what they've been pulling in previous matches.
also yea, jinggg agent pool is an issue; love the guy but i dont understand why he doesnt play sova when im pretty sure thats his 3rd most played agent after raze and reyna, maybe alecks thinks putting him on sova is a waste of firepower? but he wasnt even shooting all that well today anyway

#57
Azzelastia
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It's Something's fault, bro should retire, paycheck stealer

#59
aesth
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how is that something's fault???? explain

#61
Azzelastia
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Watch EG PRX Champs Grand Finals

#58
aesth
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the main reason is their comp on some maps (which is due to jing not being able to expand his map pool), also i think they need an igl plus need to play in an organised manner (they need to let go of W gaming...ik it's good sometimes but they need to stop doing it cuz it is costing them trophies)

#60
Dybala21
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They’re content creators. By losing they’ll get more views on their streams

#64
hontonikireidesu
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What's limiting PRX? All the nerfs and map rotations introduced. We started seeing Jinggg killing enemies with stinger effortlessly. Then It got nerfed. something was shitting on top tier teams with a shorty. Then shorty became more expensive. Haven went out for one season and was back again. (it's PRX banned map for a long time.) Fracture and Pearl where? Then duelist raze got nerfed after jett to make way for Iso and Neon. welp. me just delulu. It's just a game. Just sip your coffee and watch with no expectations.

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neetman9
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Bad map pool is one of the main things, there're also lack of discipline, actual plan that's not something/jinggg go kill (like even c9 with OXY go kill plan they have way more setup/teamplay than PRX).
For me it's the fact that they troll with their comp (Copenhagen's breeze and last year Champ 2023 grand final Bind)

#69
TooCaution_Heartless
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Chet is the answer!
I give you guys a good example
EG last year, demon1 was playing Jett and Smoke , potter gave him those roles.
And demon1 this year he's playing raze , chet and teammate force him to play and this very very bad
Here on prx, they don't have an igl so it's coach who should pick what's right and wrong for the team!

#71
n1cf
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bring back benkai

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