Why is everyone saying clove is trans or non-binary? Valorant never confirmed and the only reason they used "they" pronouns in game was to conceal the agent's gender (I assume)
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Obsidian_Echo [#2]there is a leak that she is indeed NB
*they
all good though
edit: Crazy that I'm getting downvoted for respectfully correcting someone
froggy_lol [#3]*they
all good though
edit: Crazy that I'm getting downvoted for respectfully correcting someone
lmao sorry.... for a while people thought its a 'she' so
Obsidian_Echo [#10]lmao sorry.... for a while people thought its a 'she' so
Yeah that's why I said all good though
ZestNumber1Fan [#15]Why do people care about the gender of a video game character ? Your character being straight won't make you more accurate
Because people care about what their favorite game teaches you and other people.
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#16]Because people care about what their favorite game teaches you and other people.
fair enough but then again doesn't change shit to the gameplay therefore I don't give a shit
Hyssopus1 [#18]as a non native english speaker i really have no idea how you guys can understand each other calling someone THEY THEM???? its mean that there is 2 person living in 1 body? i really dont get this
They/them has been used as a singular and plural pronoun for a long long time
It's used when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to, or in the case, they don't identify with a gender.
For example
"Do you know Alex" (Alex is a name for both men and women)
"No, I haven't heard of them"
ZestNumber1Fan [#17]fair enough but then again doesn't change shit to the gameplay therefore I don't give a shit
You are a very good consumer, indeed.
Obsidian_Echo [#10]lmao sorry.... for a while people thought its a 'she' so
I'm being pedantic, but it's probably not a good idea to use "it".
There's massively bad connotations when you use "it" to describe an animate object. Just use they/them.
Tooker [#19]They/them has been used as a singular and plural pronoun for a long long time
It's used when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to, or in the case, they don't identify with a gender.
For example
"Do you know Alex" (Alex is a name for both men and women)
"No, I haven't heard of them"
portuguese is so different, i can't even explain to you how alien this sound to me
Tooker [#19]They/them has been used as a singular and plural pronoun for a long long time
It's used when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to, or in the case, they don't identify with a gender.
For example
"Do you know Alex" (Alex is a name for both men and women)
"No, I haven't heard of them"
so it's just either man or woman? or they/them used for smth else too
ATBSniper [#23]so it's just either man or woman? or they/them used for smth else too
They/Them can be used to generally refer to a singular person. I do it often. Like if someone says
"Wow saadhak dropped 50 on sova!"
I reply with
"Yeah they did amazing"
ATBSniper [#23]so it's just either man or woman? or they/them used for smth else too
no, its like we have genders words even for objects like a chair we use a male pronoum to refer to a chair i really cant translate this to english but everything in life even for words like "time,space" we use the same words we use to refer to man/woman.
Hyssopus1 [#22]portuguese is so different, i can't even explain to you how alien this sound to me
I understand, my family comes from Norway, so I learned Norwegian alongside English growing up and the idea of gender and pronouns is so different between the two languages.
I have my own issues with the whole pronoun discourse that happens online all the time, but the whole They/Them being exclusively plural issue particularly annoys me since it's just not how English works.
TM06Nick [#25]They/Them can be used to generally refer to a singular person. I do it often. Like if someone says
"Wow saadhak dropped 50 on sova!"
I reply with
"Yeah they did amazing"
It might also be worth noting that it functions in a very similar way as "you."
Both can refer to either a singular or a plural subject, but it depends on the context of the sentence.
post probably getting 404'd but
why is this being used as some weird marketing front? like why is it important?
To this day the best representation of the LGBT community I've seen is cyberpunk, you know why? because claire being trans is subtle and never pushed as her main character trait, they write her like any other character without focusing on her being trans wich is GREAT. and meanwhile here we have riot leakers coming out with this news ahead of anything else, just wow.
Sk00d [#29]post probably getting 404'd but
why is this being used as some weird marketing front? like why is it important?
To this day the best representation of the LGBT community I've seen is cyberpunk, you know why? because claire being trans is subtle and never pushed as her main character trait, they write her like any other character without focusing on her being trans wich is GREAT. and meanwhile here we have riot leakers coming out with this news ahead of anything else, just wow.
because having more representation in games means that people are more comfortable with themselves as it's seen as something normal, they may learn about the nonbinary identity and feel like its something that represents them, helps to make people more open minded especially kids who are coming into the game and learning about this stuff maybe for the first time
and anyone who says "it doesn't matter", well, cool you can just ignore it lol. its not going to affect how you play the game and if someone gets that pissy over a fictional character in a game being nonbinary then you can uninstall it
KoriVal [#9]what is humanity coming to
Normalizing predatory behavior under the guise of compassion and kindness.
Tooker [#21]I'm being pedantic, but it's probably not a good idea to use "it".
There's massively bad connotations when you use "it" to describe an animate object. Just use they/them.
i think they meant that they thought the pronouns were (it was) instead of using it/its pronouns (which are also just as valid just slightly less common and depends on the persons preferred pronouns c:)
Hyssopus1 [#26]no, its like we have genders words even for objects like a chair we use a male pronoum to refer to a chair i really cant translate this to english but everything in life even for words like "time,space" we use the same words we use to refer to man/woman.
same in my language
and it's really strange to use "them" as singular, especially since it's already has other meaning (plural 'you' means respect)
it's such an american thing, only kids in my school cried when they were getting called he a 'she' or she a 'he', no one ever cared about mispronouncing someone
Iza [#33]Normalizing predatory behavior under the guise of compassion and kindness.
ah yes wanting to be called they instead of she is predatory... get a life
mouth_breather [#32]because having more representation in games means that people are more comfortable with themselves as it's seen as something normal, they may learn about the nonbinary identity and feel like its something that represents them, helps to make people more open minded especially kids who are coming into the game and learning about this stuff maybe for the first time
and anyone who says "it doesn't matter", well, cool you can just ignore it lol. its not going to affect how you play the game and if someone gets that pissy over a fictional character in a game being nonbinary then you can uninstall it
doesn't solve the issue with them using it as a marketing tool but whatever, I don't like it others may have no issues with it
different views I guess
espeon [#31]i mean it really doesnt matter in the long run, ur just gonna refer to them as "clove" and just say where they are
no idea why people are so mad over representation in video games
where are the mad people.
Jesus chirst, my entire twitter feed is in influencers complaining about "community backlash" about the new agent but i swear to god i did not see a single negative comment\post except a joke about permaban for misgendering. That's it.
Like show me where is the hate. Yes people are anticipating another westjett post and there 100% are a some looney pepople, but there is no "community backlash". People are just imagining issues for farm while community is OVERWHELMENGLY accepting and encouraging.
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#40]where are the mad people.
Jesus chirst, my entire twitter feed is in influencers complaining about "community backlash" about the new agent but i swear to god i did not see a single negative comment\post except a joke about permaban for misgendering. That's it.
Like show me where is the hate. Yes people are anticipating another westjett post and there 100% are a some looney pepople, but there is no "community backlash". People are just imagining issues for farm while community is OVERWHELMENGLY accepting and encouraging.
Go to westjett Twitter he's getting thousands of likes complaining about this
cartixuzi [#39]why is the name not just clover though, clove is a goofy ass name
I’m sayin bruh, riot is edging us with that name 😥
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#40]where are the mad people.
Jesus chirst, my entire twitter feed is in influencers complaining about "community backlash" about the new agent but i swear to god i did not see a single negative comment\post except a joke about permaban for misgendering. That's it.
Like show me where is the hate. Yes people are anticipating another westjett post and there 100% are a some looney pepople, but there is no "community backlash". People are just imagining issues for farm while community is OVERWHELMENGLY accepting and encouraging.
considering that valorant has a MORE ACCEPTING COMMUNITY compared to others, its no wonder it has overwhelming support
westjett is a creator with an audience that parrots what he says, anything he says negatively about this his fans will take that run with it and I'm surprised you just haven't seen anything
espeon [#43]considering that valorant has a MORE ACCEPTING COMMUNITY compared to others, its no wonder it has overwhelming support
westjett is a creator with an audience that parrots what he says, anything he says negatively about this his fans will take that run with it and I'm surprised you just haven't seen anything
my bad, maybe that's cause i have westjett blocked xd
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#44]my bad, maybe that's cause i have westjett blocked xd
honestly valid, crazy how he still has a platform 😭
froggy_lol [#3]*they
all good though
edit: Crazy that I'm getting downvoted for respectfully correcting someone
why are people mad at you-
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#16]Because people care about what their favorite game teaches you and other people.
This is a cartoon game where you shoot people in the face and perform magic, what the fuck are you talking about
Iza [#33]Normalizing predatory behavior under the guise of compassion and kindness.
they wouldn't have done it if it was their choice, its just pronouns are pushed onto everyone nowadays and it is irrelevant. Before pronouns were on social media its not like you couldn't survive.
KoriVal [#50]they wouldn't have done it if it was their choice, its just pronouns are pushed onto everyone nowadays and it is irrelevant. Before pronouns were on social media its not like you couldn't survive.
mf you used 7 pronouns in this sentence
KoriVal [#50]they wouldn't have done it if it was their choice, its just pronouns are pushed onto everyone nowadays and it is irrelevant. Before pronouns were on social media its not like you couldn't survive.
YOU have pronouns dumb shit
Triibal [#51]mf you used 7 pronouns in this sentence
oh my days r u stupid, im on about how people identify. Like even ten years ago not many people cared about pronouns so why does it matter now???
Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg [#44]my bad, maybe that's cause i have westjett blocked xd
Based to block that braindead freak
Sk00d [#29]post probably getting 404'd but
why is this being used as some weird marketing front? like why is it important?
To this day the best representation of the LGBT community I've seen is cyberpunk, you know why? because claire being trans is subtle and never pushed as her main character trait, they write her like any other character without focusing on her being trans wich is GREAT. and meanwhile here we have riot leakers coming out with this news ahead of anything else, just wow.
riot hasnt said a single thing about it or their gender
it just got leaked that was it
this is not a marketing thing 😭
KoriVal [#50]they wouldn't have done it if it was their choice, its just pronouns are pushed onto everyone nowadays and it is irrelevant. Before pronouns were on social media its not like you couldn't survive.
pronouns have been always pushed to everyone are you delusional
CoCloudy [#56]riot hasnt said a single thing about it or their gender
it just got leaked that was it
this is not a marketing thing 😭
yeaaaah riot totaly doesnt get to decide what they want leaked.... totally
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