The pro who most suffer in VCT

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Prasinos

Primmie

(Stop downvoting me, y'all know it's true)

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S0m but I guess he's asking for it

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afreespirit

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he chose this

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paind

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yea it was leaked that bonkar wanted to drop fns but 2 of the NRG players refused to let that happen (1 was definitely s0m, my guess is the other was Ethan but idk). so instead of dropping fns (which would also make s0m and Ethan leave), they just dropped bonkar and verno. they thought it was easier to drop the new player and coach instead of 3 players but clearly it wasn't a great choice

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Neppten

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who leaked it

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Neaa

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tdawgg on his recent video

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Weluz99

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Ardiis said that this is bs statement no?

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catmeister

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gotta be Florescent

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Prasinos

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Tenz.
He suffers too much hate bc of being the smoker goat.

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charleser

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Flor should've went to a good t2 team instead of a shit t1 team

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decidueye

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yeah but apeks prolly said they were gonna build the team around her and flor figured it was her best bet of getting on better teams.

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FrogGrenade

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Tier 1 has a minimum salary, and also everyone wants to play on LAN against the best

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kingop3n

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agreed. experience win or lose is good. you have to play the best to learn

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shrike-

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all of the above

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aiber

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f0rsaken and akame

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KClaw

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Definitely forsaken like he could easily get a better team with better chances of winning a real international and he would even get more salary, like i think even NA and EMEA teams would go for him right?

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aiber

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yeah but they would have to drill some discipline into him since he's undisciplined like everyone else on prx, unless they play him like g2 do with jawgemo (has a bit more freedom than the guard core)

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what team would he realistically go to?

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aiber

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he would probably find comfort in RRQ

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because forsaken can speak english and can flex to any role, yea there would be a line for his services

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Vegaaa

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akame and meiy. imagine having two of the best players in your region and still failing so horribly

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31Raven

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rb

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flor or westside

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LocoMonteiro

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Westside has the most INSANE PR in the history of valorant
He was the 6th worst player in kickoff and is in the bottom half of stage 1 behind the likes of molsi and patitek
him having crisp aim doesnt make him great all of a sudden

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I am a big stats watcher but your take is wrong
yeah he was not good in kickoff and I actually rated him very lowly afterwards, but so far in stage 1 he has been the only person I am impressed by on the team. if you want to stat watch, he has a higher rating as sentinel over purp0 and tomaszy and cloud who are all known franchised quantities and people have at least glazed purp0 and cloud a bunch before.

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LocoMonteiro

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tomaszy had the worst stretch of games in his career, cloud is clearly flustered with IGLing and purp0 is yet to show he has the level for a T1 spot
comparing westside to them to justify him being good doesnt really seem fair

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you're making excuses on their performance this split and yet you do not give the same leeway to westside while he is still dropping best stats and in-game looks the most competent. that seems more unfair to me.

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LocoMonteiro

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your argument would make sense if i had said westside was bad i never said that tho....i just said people on here overrate him constantly
people talk about how hes a god when the reality is, he has the same output as soulcas
thats it

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doesnt make him great all of a sudden
comparing westside to them to justify him being good

you are making arguments citing him not being great and stuff not justifying him being good, you didn't say he was bad sure but the implication is that he is not good based off those statements. I haven't seen westside glaze on here before so I can't comment on that, but he is a good player and I think he is in a horrible situation with cloud IGLing and the rest of his team shitting the bed to the point he's their best player.

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Westside has the most INSANE PR in the history of valorant

if you thought i was implying he was not good i think thats on you

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don't backpedal on the rest of the conversation

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LocoMonteiro

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the rest of the conversation is me reinforcing the point i made at the start, that westside is overrated, which you read and interpreted as "he is saying westside is bad" which once again, is on you

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Prancer

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Prancer for having to watch avez be the most successful Arab pro

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sideshowsbaldhead

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johnqt exists but ok

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Johnqt is morroccan which doesn't count as arabic

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i am white and you are arab so i’m not allowed to correct you on this but im like 99.9999999999% sure moroccans are arab am i geeked or what

i specifically remember when morocco made the world cup semifinals in 2022 they were considered both the first african and the first arab nation to accomplish that

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Idk maybe its a different classification system, the way i see it is that arabic people are the ones that are in the middle east with egypt - iran and turkey

I consider people from morroco tunsia and such as maghreb people, maybe its different officially idk thats what I grew accustomed to

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darklord69

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no, they're considered arab too. the classification you're thinking of is geographical with egypt and the gulf countries being considered part of the middle east while the others are north africa. ethnically speaking they're all arab

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vo0kashu Primmie s0m cryo maybe forsaken crws

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ConsistentCycles

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vo0kashu that boy is 1v5 daily

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cameran

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ardiis in nrg 23

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Cloud

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zetydy

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FNS with his achy joints

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Prasinos

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Fns suffer like Primmie, but Primmie hate is completly unfair unlike fns.

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unknown_trash

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Mako. Carries his team every time for... another 5th 6th placement?

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bees

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Just to watch two of em win without him... I'd be in shambles

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unknown_trash

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same. his loyalty to DRX was not rewarded sadly.

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WatsomN

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Biased here, probably not the most but definitely up there

Famouz

Underperformed in champs 2022, slandered. Bounce back in 2023 only to choked against bleed on ascension semifinal, lets be honest whoever win that series would've won ascension. CHOKED AGAIN ON ASCENSION 2024, HE DID ALL HE COULD, LOST TO FRACTION OF A SECOND (a threw, i agree). Dude imagines the pain.

HM : Mindfreak and f0rsaken, they should've won that copenhagen against fpx, no im not coping, just look how many rounds they threw, it should've been their win

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cloudberry

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tuyz for sure. Of all the players to get cucked by management, he's far and away the most egregious case that comes to my mind

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xonya

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this dude had a set role
got it taken away by pancada
forced to flex when he really suck at it
and getting slandered for it
and before that they signed qck even thought they had him

feels bad for that guy

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FrogGrenade

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Signing qck was good, tuyz did not want to play duelist. Signing pancada to replace qck was braindead.

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akaFelipee

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nzr

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Prasinos

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Nzr is up there.

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yuriito

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Flor
Primmie
Qck
Luk xo
Oxy

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Prasinos

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Pro Luk xo barely played to be one of the most suffered.

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yuriito

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I know I just think it´s sad playing on a team with 0 future

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nobody___100

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hello prasinos

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Hello my guy, what ur doing these last weeks?

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nobody___100

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tired asf tbh, semesters ending soon so i got all the APs coming up, i got two projects outside of school to finish and only FNC crashies is doing actually well out of all the optic bros

how is it going for you?

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mw

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Cheasle2

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Gotta be flor or historically; yay

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Yay and Tuyz

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Prasinos

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I tink Tuyz > yay in terms of suffer.
yay got bad teamates and was shited for playing bad, but he still can get contracts due to his "underrated goat" status.
Tuyz got all his potential contracta ruined bc he was forced to do multiple roles, even when he was playing ver good at smokes (with numbers matching pANcada)
Now he is shited for playing bad, even when he isn't even the worst stats on his team or when even he isn't doing HIS MAIN ROLE.

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Ayaya0

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y0y is lucky to be in t1

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I agree with this now, his time at DSG and Bleed was shambolic. But in terms of being done dirty, yay had so many offers when franchising started and being dropped after lock in was extremely unprofessional.

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meowchan

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No +25 no win

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BrotherManRizzler

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sadge fr

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Super_Devvik7

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Leo. Man was in his prime and fell sick. Feels bad man

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pan4o

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prim flor oxy

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Prasinos

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How oxy is one of the ones?

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Hitscan

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yay
No one is as hated as him

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StyrofoamOne

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Very recently and very short career so far but lukxo, carries loud but they are unable to win anything

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Pengu12

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No cryo mentions is crazy

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Wezzaa

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Swerl atm

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FNS - always getting thrashed left and right from everyone for being shit

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1ski

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gotta be heat

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Prasinos

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Bro Heat barely suffer hate.

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TM06Nick

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Cloud