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#1
AK3

why is he not in KC form?

#2
Vyantic
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Because he's no longer on EMEA, people can shoot and call here.

#3
AK3
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so memea is a bad region

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Vyantic
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MEMEA bad yeah

#8
31Raven
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only in memericas will 2g be winning a series

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Vyantic
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Only in MEMEA KOI and GX are still in franchising.

#26
Congo1
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Weak response. Did you run out of material after one comment?

#31
Vyantic
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Weak regions require weak responses, is the only kind of energy EMEA knows 🥀🥀🥀.

#27
Effluxi
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koi makes money and brings viewers even though they're ass so the league doesn't really care.

gx is trash though absolutely, but Amer still has EG, so we're equal

#30
Vyantic
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EG won a world championship and then sold the bag, not excusing them but at least they won something before doing that. ACEND did kinda the same thing, so on that side we are 1 to 1. Gambit was the best thing to ever happen to EMEA and they're no longer there.

EMEA had 2 orgs selling the bag from the start, EMEA is on it for the money not to win titles, Mediocre in terms of competition. Even in terms on generating revenue/clout you aren't the best as Sentinels remains the most popular org to day in Valorant.

Americas remains the most successful franchise with 2 world champ teams, 2 masters titles won by the same team which remains the most consistent as is Sentinels and with a successful result of Ascension as is The Guard/G2.

Let's just count how many imports from Americas EMEA has this year and how much Americas has from EMEA.

We are absolutely carrying your stage.

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31Raven
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americas has 2 orgs selling too, pre-aspas bankroll mibr and c9 (you could add some of 100t on there too)

sen is the most popular team bc a lot of the audience/early audience is american (and so is the game), so having an american org be #1 isnt surprising.

saying theyre only in it for the money is crazy, given that each region has similar amounts of trophies (i think, could be wrong tho)

saying “ooh ascension team is good doesnt make sense either, as tgrd was already t1-level and did pretty good in intls pre franchising

talking abt imports too is crazy, as every na-import team is shit (navi, apeks w flor, a weak fnc, a 12th place koi) except for vit where less isnt necessarily carrying, while the all emea teams are doing good

#38
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Okay we might have the same amount of trophies, you got 3 masters (FPX, Gambit and FNATIC) while Americas got 3 (OPTIC & Sentinels x2). ) Americas has 2 World champs (LOUD & EG) and i would say that the only org selling the bag all this time was FURIA which hasn't done something of value for the scene here. C9 wasn't so bad at the start and MIBR at least put some effort lately after all these bummy performances. Americas orgs had some ups and downs when it comes to competing but EMEA has the 2 most horrible orgs that are GX, which wasn't so terrible since they made worlds at least once and then proceed to kick their best player (F1tinho) to accomodate these bums they have currently not including westside and Cloud, but KOI has never been good, they always been fucking dogshit and have never even made playoffs if i'm not wrong, at least FURIA made playoffs before.

You call americas imports bad but then Koalanoob & Crashies proceed to MVP on the last match for each side, i could say that Saadhak is the only one that has been looking bad and flyuh was brought to the worst team in the scene being a mid player who never IGL'ed before and put to IGL to all these trash players (besides grubi who is somewhat decent), it was a recipe for failure lol.

Edit: Correcting about the Masters amount, forgot about the Gambit one and i'm missing the other team because there seems to be a 4th.

#39
Dreoxx
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AMER and EMEA have 5 trophies (3M 2C and 4M 1C respectively) each. how much more you think champs is weighted over masters is up to discretion.

imo c9 is better than most of EMEAs mid-table teams atm, but yes, 100T is not showing signs of life.

also, I think the “ooh ascension team is good" argument actually has some validity. tgrd being t1 but not in franchising just shows how packed the talent pool was perceived to be at the time, therefore teams like tgrd/g2 m80 and mxs all stuck in tier 2.

and your last point is fallacious. NAVI and FNC was already on the decline before koalanoob and crashies joining, APK was always shit regardless of flor, and KOI isn't a real team in the first place.

flor
1.17 / 5 maps kickoff
0.71 / 3 maps s1

flyuh
0.77 / 6 maps kickoff
0.64 / 2 maps s1

koalanoob
0.88 / 6 maps kickoff
1.28 / 2 maps s1

crashies
0.89 / 10 maps kickoff
1.66 / 2 maps s1

it seems very variable so far, especially with the low sample size (n). either way, hard to make that last statement. also, koalanoob and crashies seem to be stepping up, barring recency bias.

#40
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I forgot about Gambit Masters against Envy, who won the 4th one for EMEA?

If i'm not wrong they're FPX, Gambit and FNATIC in masters so far.

#41
Dreoxx
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GMB 2021 M2 Berlin
ACE 2021 C Berlin
FPX 2022 M2 Copenhagen
FNC 2023 LOCK//IN Sao Paulo (I counted this as a Masters event for the sake of simplicity)
FNC 2023 M1 Tokyo

#46
Vyantic
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Counting Lock/in as Masters?

That's a long shot brother.

#42
Vaaero
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Lock in

#43
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Your imports are consistently the worst players on their teams. You can argue that's excusable for some as IGLs, but they're not performing in that regard at the moment either.

Additionally, EMEA is competitive within itself. The difference between the perceived bottom table (Apeks M8) and the perceived top (VIT TH TL) is still very competitive, which cannot be said of America's where nearly every game is an expectable result as orgs take turns investing in different years. Also, your best team is an European org.

GX is selling but not as hard as Amer's low table, who are more numerous and try less. They are nigh guaranteed to lose their franchise slot to M8 now anyhow. KOI brings in a huge influx of Spanish and Spanish speaking interest in the scene. Unless there is a better Spanish org to replace them, they will be kept.

That is all that matters for franchising. Not how many trophies or overall performance but viewership, investment and competitiveness across the board within the league. EMEA is consistent in that regard while America's will have SEN + which ever two orgs invest that year (Krü MIBR this year) while the rest hard sell. G2 may have made themselves a staple in performance, but they're not driving investment or viewership especially.

#45
lakpx
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💔💔💔

#47
whoaskedbruh
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kekw look at his stats and sen results.

#4
cameran
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because j0hnn0ttie is making him play breach
zekken should be playing sentinel and n4rrate replaces zekkens roles

#6
UhhBrandon
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"zekken should be playing sentinel" most braindead thing i've seen in a while

#7
cameran
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how buddy
both n4rrate and zekken are ass, we need a switch up

#11
Vyantic
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Okay i thought you had an argument somewhere but after seeing you call Zekken ass i'm almost sure that you just don't know ball.

#12
cameran
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well when someone goes aggressive mode after i said the truth and says someones take is braindead obviously i gotta call their fanboy ass players bad

#16
Vyantic
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Don't lowball it like that, if you explained first and then called Zekken ass you could make a point.

#22
cameran
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oh word. will note that fr

#25
serot
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Not a Sen fan but Zekken to sentinel is hard trolling

#28
cameran
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nah zekken is better on sentinel so he can find his own opportunities as the talented player he is, and set him up to become the next less. gotta try new roles.

#32
serot
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Zekken isn't even washed yet as a masters winning duelist and you want him off his best role???? He is a top tier entry player and you want him to play a non-entry role, just quit vlr bro this is the worst take of all time.
This is a Dplus t3xture duelist to GE sentinel level roleswap troll.
If anything put johnqt back on sentinel and have zellsis back on initiator/flex. N4rrate to recon.

#34
cameran
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oh word.

#33
grisx23
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you guys are so funny lmfao

#35
cameran
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in a good way or bad way?

#9
Shadow_Monarch
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KC N4rrate was just a honeymoon phase. People still can't understand that yet lmfao.

#10
AltonBu02
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If you want a real answer, it's because some people play better in different systems. You can still tell he has insane potential with flashes of brilliance like in the series vs liquid. Also, there is much more pressure to perform well in Sen because it has so many fans (many of which are toxic to players who don't do well). His mental has gotten better since he first joined, but he needs to work on it more.

#14
cameran
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id say he wouldve had more pressure on KC than SEN
first time playing in vct, french fanbase is also quite big, but ig being on sen could give him more pressure sure

#17
AltonBu02
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When he first joined KC he was relatively unknown, but when he joined Sen, he was known as this cracked top player that was insanely talented mechanically that would give Sen the push they needed to be a top 2 team. The expectations were much more intense on Sen and that leads to much more pressure.

#23
cameran
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thats fair

#21
NRGSUPERFAN
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KC were the worst team in emea the year prior. anything better than what they did in 2023 wouldve made every KC fan happier.

#24
cameran
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ah yea kinda forgot bout that lol. makes sense then

#15
AK3
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yeah just like Demon1, bro i swear these 2 are insane and got potential but you can see it mid game bro, they are not comfortable at all which make me sick and sorry for them

#19
AltonBu02
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I would say that N4rrate has more pressure on him, but in essence they are in very similar situations. I still believe in demon1.

#20
AK3
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same here I hope Max do well he today

#29
AltonBu02
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same lol I do not want to lose to clown9 even if they are a decent team

#18
goat1594
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I think it's different roles and responsibilities on SEN compared to KC. I wish Johnqt would let him play Initiator full time and go back to Senti but clearly, he thinks himself on initiator works better despite him being on Senti the last few years.

#37
SleepingSnorlax
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Problem coach issue he is supposed to be recon the only flash agent he can play is gekko and putting on roles which hasn’t played is messing him up especially John why he has to play initiator other than tejo and fade he has been terrible on other agents

#44
targuin
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Id ask what KC form is first.
Because I dont think hes playing significantly worse than he did on KC, its just that hes surrounded by players that are plain better than him currently.
It highlights his mistakes.

On KC we hand-waved his bad util and (at times) crazy decision making.
It was fine because KC was a team where individual firepower shone. And he did frag. A lot. Combine this with set plays where his util would look really good and you, if you picked to correct rounds, had a borderline perfect player.

He still has all these positive qualities and they regularly show. The expectations just need to be lowered a tad - he is a young player, currently swapping roles every 3 days. With time I dont doubt that he'll grow to match what you thought he was on KC.

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