this game is dying? HOW? LMAO

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https://imgur.com/a/mdvsTQ6

masters getting less viewer when sentinels playing against TL by a random A-tier CS tournament is insane work LMAO

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Faze and Astralis is not an irrelevant series by any means

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if youre talking about faze then yes, but astralis has fallen off. the only people who watch them are fans who are stuck in 2019

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Nah everyone watches astralis games purely to hate on them in some way afterwards

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Watch your fucking tongue when you talk about Devve blud, you can shit-talk everyone except the GOAT of all esports ok? Remember that.

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it kinda is, even the teams admit it. They play it for some extra cash and some valve ranking points, it's a 3rd place decider ffs

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it literally is, faze vs astralis is not even a match 50% of cs esports followers are gonna watch especially if its a irrelevant tournament like "cluj napoca". top 3 teams not even playing it lmaoo.

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so dumb im just emphasizing that its not like CCT

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asstralis is ass bro faze might have some fans

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its cuz the goat ardiis wasnt live

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When did you take this screenshot

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like 12 mins ago

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I mean then you really took to when they games were over

Cause usually after a map people jsut leave

Maybe just use esports charts for viewership

Also SEN is an NA org and the the games start at 5 am for me in California, so I’m not waking up for that

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games been over for 30 mins and mfs taking screenshots comparing viewership when the games arent even on you cant make ts up 😂😂😂

idk why people are freaking out over viewership this year like sure north american viewership is down by like 15% but tbf we lost tenz, the international time zone is bad for na, and the game isnt new and fresh anymore. mfs be acting like the game is dead when its still even in a down few months a top 5 esport easily itw. and the china viewership makes up for any missing na viewership 100x over you just dont see it on twitch.

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why do you care

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main stream almost hit 100k too

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400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)

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These don’t count China either

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these don't count china cs viewership too

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I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there

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slightly higher
the difference is not that big as some people would think

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Heavily doubt this when China won champs last year and has t1 representation in their scene

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chinese fans are absolutely obsessed with the likes of donk, monesy, niko, s1mple, kennys, they admire them as if they were chinese

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true

they literally have a massive cult of players there

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I remember a story from Chengdu, when perfecto (major winner with navi) arrived to the hotel with his girlfriend, was met by 50 something fans asking for autographs, security clears them, they enter the hotel thinking no one will be there, 400+ fans standing there :D

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yeah and CS has a stronger viewership base in EU, so assuming that they can somewhat cancel each other out, no?

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The diff is that escharts accounts European viewers in both unless there’s another platform Europeans watch on that escharts doesn’t track

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I meant cancel each other out as if equal each other, the chinese viewership is always varying, afaik the viewership is hard to track there no?

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https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV stop assuming mate

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this CS event pretty much has 0 russian online, no donk, no monesy, the only russian is degster who isn't as hype as the others.

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this masters event doesn't even have tenz

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russia is way more countrymen loving as a region than NA.

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

People actually want Valorant to be dead so much, it gets tuah point

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honestly saying either game is dying is ridicously stupid, they still shit on any other game outside of LOL in terms of viewership, a league of their own

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brother no ones watching "cluj napoca" its irrelevant tournament. no russian players so very less russian and chinese audience. katowice had 1m+ peak viewers. cs esports hard diffs valorant sadly. also there are many cs enjoyers who dont wanna watch cluj napoca and are preferring to watch bangkok like me

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it doesn't hard diff bro, they are equal. CS is vastly dominated by eu, but because eu gives less of a shit about valorant valorant equals out with NA + Asia

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Maybe because there’s more way to watch than just twitch, also because it’s just a room match not even a finals

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Rage bait . Chinese sen hate watchers have double the views

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500k to 1M chinese fans are not being accoounted here
CS is dead in China

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it wasn't even born in china, shanghai major is supposedly the start of something new in china

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SURE THING LMAO https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV

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literally only because it was in china and donk/ faze were playing cs is cooked over there

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IEM katowice got 22mil heat 3 weeks ago btw and its not even top 3 tournaments in CS 😂

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edg vs tl got more views than that grand final bro

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did you not see my screenshot? EDG vs G2 best team in NA and have a massive G2 fanbase in china peaked at 11mil heat

STOP THE COPE LOL

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im talking about views not "heat"

https://imgur.com/uTlEEnD

https://imgur.com/JY5TF55

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you do realized that you can't see "views" in any chinese platform right?

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no shit the game with a Chinese team have more viewers than game without..

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obviously that's the main reason val is popular over there

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did you see Shanghai major?

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valorant is much bigger on yt than cs is

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sen vs liquid had 60k viewership, not sure what cs had on astralis vs faze game, I would guess around 50k

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nope Valo had much more off the top of my head tenz had 10k+, binks around 8k , sliggy was on around 4-5k and then lots of other semi-big streamers that I dont know had 1k+ infact 2 more indian streamers were streaming to 1-2k viewers

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I have just stated the official broadcast, afaik there are a lot of smaller streams

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this is just not true LOL

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52 MILLION?????

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52million heat not viewer

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googled already, apparently only valve or perfectworld can give an exact number, I just wonder what VCt champs 2024 had for an index

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apparently only valve or perfectworld can give an exact number

yeah kinda wish they did that ngl

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The people who are saying valorant is dead because sen games have less viewership just dont understand timezones lmao

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ma drilla 🤙

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ma drilla 😎🤙

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most of asia doesnt use twitch and the west as to wake up at 5. nice try tho -10/10