masters getting less viewer when sentinels playing against TL by a random A-tier CS tournament is insane work LMAO
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this game is dying? HOW? LMAO
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Seo_w [#2]Faze and Astralis is not an irrelevant series by any means
if youre talking about faze then yes, but astralis has fallen off. the only people who watch them are fans who are stuck in 2019
Seo_w [#2]Faze and Astralis is not an irrelevant series by any means
it kinda is, even the teams admit it. They play it for some extra cash and some valve ranking points, it's a 3rd place decider ffs
400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)
55555555 [#9]400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)
These don’t count China either
55555555 [#9]400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)
this CS event pretty much has 0 russian online, no donk, no monesy, the only russian is degster who isn't as hype as the others.
loapoarg [#13]500k to 1M chinese fans are not being accoounted here
CS is dead in China
it wasn't even born in china, shanghai major is supposedly the start of something new in china
Invic_Deep [#15]valorant is much bigger on yt than cs is
sen vs liquid had 60k viewership, not sure what cs had on astralis vs faze game, I would guess around 50k
Anzaldinho [#18]these don't count china cs viewership too
I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there
Cryptic88 [#6]if youre talking about faze then yes, but astralis has fallen off. the only people who watch them are fans who are stuck in 2019
Nah everyone watches astralis games purely to hate on them in some way afterwards
55555555 [#20]I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there
slightly higher
the difference is not that big as some people would think
55555555 [#20]I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there
yeah and CS has a stronger viewership base in EU, so assuming that they can somewhat cancel each other out, no?
Anzaldinho [#22]slightly higher
the difference is not that big as some people would think
Heavily doubt this when China won champs last year and has t1 representation in their scene
FDWC- [#16]like 12 mins ago
I mean then you really took to when they games were over
Cause usually after a map people jsut leave
Maybe just use esports charts for viewership
Also SEN is an NA org and the the games start at 5 am for me in California, so I’m not waking up for that
Nef0r0 [#24]yeah and CS has a stronger viewership base in EU, so assuming that they can somewhat cancel each other out, no?
The diff is that escharts accounts European viewers in both unless there’s another platform Europeans watch on that escharts doesn’t track
loapoarg [#13]500k to 1M chinese fans are not being accoounted here
CS is dead in China
SURE THING LMAO https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV
55555555 [#25]Heavily doubt this when China won champs last year and has t1 representation in their scene
chinese fans are absolutely obsessed with the likes of donk, monesy, niko, s1mple, kennys, they admire them as if they were chinese
Seo_w [#2]Faze and Astralis is not an irrelevant series by any means
it literally is, faze vs astralis is not even a match 50% of cs esports followers are gonna watch especially if its a irrelevant tournament like "cluj napoca". top 3 teams not even playing it lmaoo.
55555555 [#29]The diff is that escharts accounts European viewers in both unless there’s another platform Europeans watch on that escharts doesn’t track
I meant cancel each other out as if equal each other, the chinese viewership is always varying, afaik the viewership is hard to track there no?
lolapola [#32]it literally is, faze vs astralis is not even a match 50% of cs esports followers are gonna watch especially if its a irrelevant tournament like "cluj napoca". top 3 teams not even playing it lmaoo.
so dumb im just emphasizing that its not like CCT
Seo_w [#2]Faze and Astralis is not an irrelevant series by any means
asstralis is ass bro faze might have some fans
55555555 [#9]400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
People actually want Valorant to be dead so much, it gets tuah point
arin2016 [#39]LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
People actually want Valorant to be dead so much, it gets tuah point
honestly saying either game is dying is ridicously stupid, they still shit on any other game outside of LOL in terms of viewership, a league of their own
FDWC- [#40]52million heat not viewer
googled already, apparently only valve or perfectworld can give an exact number, I just wonder what VCt champs 2024 had for an index
55555555 [#20]I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there
https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV stop assuming mate
55555555 [#9]400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)
brother no ones watching "cluj napoca" its irrelevant tournament. no russian players so very less russian and chinese audience. katowice had 1m+ peak viewers. cs esports hard diffs valorant sadly. also there are many cs enjoyers who dont wanna watch cluj napoca and are preferring to watch bangkok like me
Nef0r0 [#42]googled already, apparently only valve or perfectworld can give an exact number, I just wonder what VCt champs 2024 had for an index
apparently only valve or perfectworld can give an exact number
yeah kinda wish they did that ngl
lolapola [#44]brother no ones watching "cluj napoca" its irrelevant tournament. no russian players so very less russian and chinese audience. katowice had 1m+ peak viewers. cs esports hard diffs valorant sadly. also there are many cs enjoyers who dont wanna watch cluj napoca and are preferring to watch bangkok like me
it doesn't hard diff bro, they are equal. CS is vastly dominated by eu, but because eu gives less of a shit about valorant valorant equals out with NA + Asia
yukky [#27]I mean then you really took to when they games were over
Cause usually after a map people jsut leave
Maybe just use esports charts for viewership
Also SEN is an NA org and the the games start at 5 am for me in California, so I’m not waking up for that
games been over for 30 mins and mfs taking screenshots comparing viewership when the games arent even on you cant make ts up 😂😂😂
idk why people are freaking out over viewership this year like sure north american viewership is down by like 15% but tbf we lost tenz, the international time zone is bad for na, and the game isnt new and fresh anymore. mfs be acting like the game is dead when its still even in a down few months a top 5 esport easily itw. and the china viewership makes up for any missing na viewership 100x over you just dont see it on twitch.
Nef0r0 [#19]sen vs liquid had 60k viewership, not sure what cs had on astralis vs faze game, I would guess around 50k
nope Valo had much more off the top of my head tenz had 10k+, binks around 8k , sliggy was on around 4-5k and then lots of other semi-big streamers that I dont know had 1k+ infact 2 more indian streamers were streaming to 1-2k viewers
Invic_Deep [#48]nope Valo had much more off the top of my head tenz had 10k+, binks around 8k , sliggy was on around 4-5k and then lots of other semi-big streamers that I dont know had 1k+ infact 2 more indian streamers were streaming to 1-2k viewers
I have just stated the official broadcast, afaik there are a lot of smaller streams
Nef0r0 [#31]chinese fans are absolutely obsessed with the likes of donk, monesy, niko, s1mple, kennys, they admire them as if they were chinese
true
they literally have a massive cult of players there
FDWC- [#50]true
they literally have a massive cult of players there
I remember a story from Chengdu, when perfecto (major winner with navi) arrived to the hotel with his girlfriend, was met by 50 something fans asking for autographs, security clears them, they enter the hotel thinking no one will be there, 400+ fans standing there :D
FDWC- [#30]SURE THING LMAO https://imgur.com/a/MCMGQUV
literally only because it was in china and donk/ faze were playing cs is cooked over there
winae29 [#52]literally only because it was in china and donk/ faze were playing cs is cooked over there
IEM katowice got 22mil heat 3 weeks ago btw and its not even top 3 tournaments in CS 😂
FDWC- [#53]IEM katowice got 22mil heat 3 weeks ago btw and its not even top 3 tournaments in CS 😂
edg vs tl got more views than that grand final bro
winae29 [#54]edg vs tl got more views than that grand final bro
did you not see my screenshot? EDG vs G2 best team in NA and have a massive G2 fanbase in china peaked at 11mil heat
STOP THE COPE LOL
FDWC- [#55]did you not see my screenshot? EDG vs G2 best team in NA and have a massive G2 fanbase in china peaked at 11mil heat
STOP THE COPE LOL
im talking about views not "heat"
loapoarg [#13]500k to 1M chinese fans are not being accoounted here
CS is dead in China
did you see Shanghai major?
winae29 [#56]im talking about views not "heat"
you do realized that you can't see "views" in any chinese platform right?
winae29 [#56]im talking about views not "heat"
no shit the game with a Chinese team have more viewers than game without..
Nef0r0 [#14]this CS event pretty much has 0 russian online, no donk, no monesy, the only russian is degster who isn't as hype as the others.
this masters event doesn't even have tenz
laeDLaer [#59]no shit the game with a Chinese team have more viewers than game without..
obviously that's the main reason val is popular over there
bearmans [#60]this masters event doesn't even have tenz
russia is way more countrymen loving as a region than NA.
Cryptic88 [#6]if youre talking about faze then yes, but astralis has fallen off. the only people who watch them are fans who are stuck in 2019
Watch your fucking tongue when you talk about Devve blud, you can shit-talk everyone except the GOAT of all esports ok? Remember that.
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