The diff is that escharts accounts European viewers in both unless there’s another platform Europeans watch on that escharts doesn’t track

Heavily doubt this when China won champs last year and has t1 representation in their scene

I’m assuming that valorant’s Chinese viewership is higher than CS’s but cs probably has a decent fanbase there

These don’t count China either

400k for cs2 (https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-cluj-napoca-2025) vs 560k for sen game (https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-masters-bangkok-2025)

Also all the Bangkok games have been stomps whereas mibr has had either super close map 3 games with lev and kru or that crazy ass 21-19 map 3 vs sen

I mean there’s many reasons for it though, like timezones and popularity of the team or region. For example, it’s no wonder mibr gets more viewers at normal times than trace vs g2. The Brazil fanbase is huge, the Chinese fanbase doesn’t watch on platforms that escharts factors into its viewership totals, and g2 is playing at a poor time for NA

It’s fairly common for regional matchups to get more viewership than masters games. last year Americas kickoff was more popular than masters Shanghai other than the grand finals

The tournament isn’t doing too bad actually. 300k range is around what the game historically pulled for masters events located in Asia.

Masters tokyo group stage viewership: https://escharts.com/news/vct-2023-masters-tokyo-group-stage-recap

Bangkok’s peak viewers (and even viewers for mid games like t1 vs vit) either cleared or are on par with Tokyo’s most popular group stage games.
Also the average viewers is 270k, lower than Bangkok’s current 325k average.

Masters Shanghai group stage viewership: https://escharts.com/news/vct-2024-masters-shanghai-group-stages

Again, bangkok already has more PV and has a higher average viewership (325k vs 281k)

tmv is pretty funny bc he malds whenever teams are trolling

Fuck it run double duelist every map keep batu on an op character

If we going by that then I need to change papara supermassive to supermassive blaze (I am a real valo uno)

A few days ago I made a reddit post with every team's record at international events, check it out here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1i56pjx/every_teams_winloss_record_at_international_events/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here's a direct link to the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLsBPj7mtdPPIJmuWIgMvjFsh6fCfa9IKeCA9aDCSQA/edit?usp=sharing

Anything surprise you?

https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2025-emea-kickoff-valorant

180k according to escharts

Ok true but 1 masters win and 1 second place at masters > 1 champs win

and loud

remember these stats from escharts don’t account for Chinese platforms.

According to riot:
Champs 2023 had 1.8 mil
Madrid 3.1 mil
Shanghai 2.3 mil
Champs 2024 had 3.4 mil BEFORE the top 4 (insane)

Only way is if TH or sen wins

If SEN gets second then it’s debatable, is 2nd champs and not qualing for Shanghai better than 2nd masters and 9th champs?

If TH gets second it’s not debatable bc no trophy

Hi

If sen didn’t choke 10-2 to EG, they would be in champs right now instead of waiting for lev

I don't want just 2023 format though, I want it repeated twice (2 international leagues with masters following them), then LCQ, then champs

Idk if riot would do this. Because leo faria always says that he doesn't want to increase the minimum number of games, but this format would almost double that number

That's true bo1s suck. They would have to do it with bo3's somehow but that might make the Swiss stage too long.

I hope cuz they tried it in league of legends worlds they bring it to valorant one day.

Maybe they could change champs format to Swiss or something but have the top seeds pick their round 1? that would be fun tbh

Ditch this format, replace it with 2023's format except have a second regular season split and masters instead of LOCK//IN, then bring back LCQ as the tournament between masters 2 and champs. Imo LCQ is the only way to fix the issue u mentioned, since champs points will always mean that some teams are gonna qual early if they did well in the season (which is fair, since they earned it)

Somehow this team never made it back to top 3 lol

so i posted apac standings, do u see how DRX is green? that means they qualified (they did so well in split 1 and won last week, so now it’s impossible for them to miss the playoffs even if they lose the rest of their games)

if a team gets highlighted red tho, that means they are 100% out no matter what they do. even if they win out they are fucked. no team is eliminated yet but with furia, mibr 0-5 and some other teams at 1-5/1-6 the eliminations will come in 1-2 weeks

use liqupedia to follow along better they have the full standings and also show which teams have already qualified/been eliminated

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCT/2024/Pacific_League/Stage_2

sure but liquipedia has what #11 said and also more comprehensive information on formats

vlr better in general/for normal use but for looking up format information, liquipedia is goated

check liquipedia

Oh sorry u said Shanghai my b

Wait can u explain to me how they can’t all qual? If m8s lose dont TH, navi, fut qual?

FYI if u want information about who is guaranteed and who is not at the moment, check liquipedia. Liquipedia right now shows that FNC, KC, NAVI are qualified while VIT, GX, and KOI are out

Not true bc of BBL

hot take: after long ass offseason, kickoff format is actually fun because every game is super high stakes and interesting

that being said I think it shouldn't replace a second split. they could do kickoff + masters split 1 + masters split 2 + champions, that would go hard no?

tbf, it was seeded based on kickoff

kinda crazy that mibr immediately fell off, LOUD started 0-3 after making masters, and KRU is now 5-0 and easily a top 2 americas team

if kru was still bad and loud played better, the group stages look more balanced no?

throwing clutch situations against one of the worst teams in the entire vct is not competitiveness

but also horrendously played situations from bbl

man, can a single emea team just look consistent for once?

fut is this regions last hope

if ur a world champion contender, u gotta win those man

fair, bombing this split might be a blessing in disguise

use the month off like a mini offseason and reload

doesn't change the fact they are falling off

Current SEN up there for fastest falloff, with there with ACEND... EG doesn't count since their roster was separated

Title

LATAM, Turkey, APAC and CN have never won any lans
Imo aside from china, this is the strongest LATAM, turkey, and apac have ever been

Do they win their first lan and who will it be

depends on how they look imo

EG from last week yes
EG from weeks 1-2 that kept trolling man advantages no

but also, even if eg plays bad I will be happy if nrg call a non troll game (which they didn't do against mibr map 1)

i cant have any faith in nrg until they beat a half decent team

if loud, sen, nrg were in form, it would be doomed for them, but americas is in a slump imo
still, pacific looking strong af and LEV might be Shanghai favorite rn

edit: imo fut and TH with woot are emea best chances

vit 2 weeks ago was looking super nice alongside navi undefeated and fnc MAYBE returning to form

instead vit looks lost, navi not as good as we thought, and fnc just farmed up some shit teams

the good news for emea is fut is nice af, woot is the truth and maybe BBL is actually good

you tricked me. I knew you was ass but my word you stink

concerning week for emea, if vit chokes this its bad