ASPAS > DERKE >>> KK

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itsFake

in my opinion aspas is better than derke, more constant

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Constantly baiting

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itsFake

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Do you watch Mibr or Lev games with your eyes closed?

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Astaaaaa

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last 2 games he had like 27 fb so :Shrug:

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mate even if he's "baiting" (dont even know which stupid dumbass made this narrative) he's winning games for mibr, he broke the kill record ffs fucks sake

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Yea but seperate opinion from fact.
Aspas is better regionally,
Derke is better interntionally.

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bullet194

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what??? Derke are not better than aspas in internationally.

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washedradiant

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he is tho

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bullet194

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Bro i respect derke and KK, but aspas still the goat. 1 aspas, 2 derke, 3 Jmkk

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washedradiant

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why are you debating me your opinion. its clear your biased.

This is the truth NOT my opinion:
Aspas is better regionally,
Derke is better interntionally.

I like aspas more because im from americas HOWEVER, derke is better internationally. THIS I CANNOT DEBATE

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bullet194

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this is YOUR opinion, aspas still better in internationally too.

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maximumthehormone

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aspas is objectively worse internationally

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this is facts, Derke performs better individually, BUT lets not act like aspas is having poor international performances, cause he isn't

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shaaidem

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he is not saying that aspas plays bad internationally he is saying that derke performs better, u just proved their point

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mateusleite

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i didn't mean that someone was saying that either lol i literally AGREED with the statement that derke performs better internationally

regardless, this fact does not make derke better than aspas

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no-one ever said that aspas plays badly on international LAN, they just said Derke plays worse

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https://imgur.com/BtJnWrr 🫵😂

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washedradiant

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its also missing derke 2024 champs lol

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Yes also missing chronicle 2024 champs.

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he is way better internationally, just look the stats.

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yeah.. right....
Champions 2024: Aspas. "ain but derke had a higher rating..." yeah playing half of the rounds... dude was 7th/8th.. Oh better than KK too.
Shanghai 2024: Both freaking similar.
Champions 2023: Aspas by far too. Derke again played half of the rounds and had a 1.07 rating that champions...
Tokyo 2023: Derke won this tournament and aspas was out in 2 series, so derke, but Derke was just ahead of Boaster for FNC and he still had worst numbers than Aspas but played way more rounds so yeah Derke.
Kick-off 2023: Derke 1.13 - aspas 1.11: So Derke.
Champions 2022: Best International tournament for Derke.
Copenhagen 2022: Derke
Reykjavík 2022: Aspas.
4-3 but if you were going only for their individual stats not watching team stats yeah lol. Derke was the best player on FNC only on Champions 2022.

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its 5-2 even tho he places 7th/8th he didnt juts have "better rating" he had better everything in a great degree its fucking 300 rounds not a small sample. Shanghai derke had the highest acs, not that similar. And plus u proved that derke is better so why am i adding this lol

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derke has the stats aspas has the results but yeah baitpas stats player

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washedradiant

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derke isnt a stat player lol he full entry, he just happens to get good stats lol what are you saying. Aspas being called stat player is just due to being more passive. And both have similar results, with derke more trophies

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we’re not taking lock in mickey mouse invitational seriously we are however taking aspas’s back to back to back top 3 at champs seriously

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washedradiant

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but why? team success isnt what im arguing i dont care if you want to take derkes trophies away for being mickey mouse (btw thats the most bias thing i have heard). Im talking about individual player against individual player

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Nobody cares. Aspas got sat down in champs by kai & kk. Derke had worst year with fnatic.

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Alzi

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Aspas lost to both when it mattered the most

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He literally sat Derke down twice in champs 23 we just be lying for no reason

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Alzi

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losing to derke in front of your home crowd in a finals mattered more than champs quarters

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Lol losing twice to the same team in playoffs at CHAMPS isnt as bad as losing in a Mickey tourney in front of your home crowd where aspas literally played fine. Derke got hard diffed by aspas twice. Also “quarters” was literally for a top 3 spot at champs

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Alzi

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yeah aspas played fine in that series derke only had nearly triple his first bloods not too big of a gap, also who gives a shit about a spot for top 3? if it was for a spot in grand finals i'd understand

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ig aspas and derke are more consistent but kk has higher highs

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washedradiant

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In a single match yea. But ignore the top 2 in kangkangs trophy

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024

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Ronyko23

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Most first kills 105 for kangkang is enough stat to justify.Even miniboo 87 did way better than aspas 61.

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washedradiant

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how about first deaths? Look kangkang is amazing entry but, not even close to derke, not aspas either

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At times like these you just gotta look at FKPR + number of rounds. Kangkang drops insane fkpr for so many rounds its kinda crazy.

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bro nutted so hard watching aspas play that he created a new acc just to bait

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itsFake

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3 years on the champions podium, its bait. i'm not saying that derke is much worse than aspas, they are both very good, but aspas is better, barely, but better

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florescent>MiniBoo>zekken>derke>aspas>kk

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itsFake

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2/10 ragebait

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Maybe MiniBoo is too high
But florescent is in the perfect spot

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itsFake

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not ironically, florescent looks promising, but playing on Apeks it's hard to know

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Amexdxyz

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Poor florescent has to play with hype

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aspassonjiezounb

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KANGKANG》》》》 all the duelists until another s tier series birth a champion

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itsFake

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https://www.vlr.gg/312803/loud-vs-edward-gaming-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r3

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aspassonjiezounb

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https://www.vlr.gg/220450/edward-gaming-vs-loud-champions-tour-2023-masters-tokyo-lr1

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itsFake

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loud 16 rounds / edg 5 rounds. lmao

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aspassonjiezounb

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16 rounds to wildcard version EDG lmao

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aspassonjiezounb

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https://www.vlr.gg/378828/edward-gaming-vs-leviat-n-valorant-champions-2024-ubf

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aspassonjiezounb

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https://www.vlr.gg/428010/loud-vs-kr-esports-champions-tour-2025-americas-kickoff-lr3
so edg got the kickoffs.
where's loud?

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itsFake

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lil bro, I didn't say your kk is bad, he's just not better than aspas and derke

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aspassonjiezounb

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lil bro,i didnt say ur aspas and LLL are bad,they are not the champion of their region isnt it?

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itsFake

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aspas two-time champion of the most disputed region in the world
kk two-time champion of vct china
aspas, 3 podiums in a row in champions + vice champion in masters
kk 1 champions and 3-4 place in masters

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aspassonjiezounb

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if u every time call ur 2022 champion,ur denying the truth that kangkang DIFFed aspas in a historical BO3
kk got SEVEN champions not only 2.
If it only conclude vct china that's FOUR in a row.
vct china built up in 2024 while americas built up in 2020-2021 and that was the time kangkang didnt play valorant.Isnt it a shame for americas to have only 3-4 places under the TRASH FARMING region and at the same time beat by it?
Never have ever someone said the global series' runner-ups>>>regional champion,according to top20 of asia,where several esports media rate asian players and voted it@valo2asia.Texture got top2 and kangkang got top1 in the list.You mean ur more professional than the esports casters?

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aspassonjiezounb

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How would u say ab "the most disputed region in the world"?
lmao What u said proves americas the strongest and the weakest at the same time ?I couldnt believe that a human being as the ultimate morphology doesnt know CURRENT,of how to understand this word

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aspassonjiezounb

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im not denying the champions and masters derke and aspas got but what i saw ab u is not admitting edg's champion and keep urself in ur mood

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itsFake

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I'm not saying that EDG or kk are irrelevant, quite the opposite, they are very strong, but when comparing with derke and aspas there is no comparison to the relevance of the two

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"In my opinion "
Your opinion didn't matter when the current MVP Champions is KK
Recency bias is valid until next Champions and we find who's better next
But for now, KK #1 and that is a proof

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itsFake

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you said right, he is the current mvp, but historically aspas is better

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1One1

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No need history, no need to recap the achievement.
After several months, that history is irrelevant
Stop looking back to past too far, see that every pro improve. Those who are trapped by history will become y0y
Obvioualy Aspas isn't y0y, but currently KK is HIM

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itsFake

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in other words, in 3 years, when EDG doesn't win anything, you won't care about the 2024 Champions anymore?

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Ullyr

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Kk is the new future goat

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Derke = Aspas >>>>>>>>>> KK

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2 of them has won the biggest. one is not like the others

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itsFake

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Are you referring to Champions?

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no, lock in. its lock in

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Aspas >= kk > Derke = t3xture = ....

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so we're neglecting the most recent EDG beat LEV of KangKang vs Aspas??
what's the technicality/what if's/situational here, always rejecting the most up to date match up for non eastern people?

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itsFake

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direct confrontations don't mean anything, I'm ranking aspas first based on his relevance in international and regional events

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can aspas play yoru?

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cohnr

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aspas needs a team built around him

derke can be put into any duelist role and thrive

id personally take derke

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leaf >>

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Prasinos

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What 22, 23, 24, 25 have in common?
In all these years, some NA dude appears in the "goat" discussion and vanish right after.
Cmon bro, the big fishs are Aspas Derke

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Shyy >>

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TheShy >>

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yay clears all 3

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Sk00d

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personally

Derke
zmjjkk
Asspas

but to each their own

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1/10 ragebait

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Sk00d

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not ragebait, aspas is the only one who baits here

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itsFake

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Do you watch his games with your eyes closed or smth?